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It's the issue for us who wants just one store to get everything.

Also the vetting of Apple provides a first line of defence for stopping almost all of the most obvious bad apps. Hundreds of thousands of them.

A sandbox isn't 100% closed. It can use all the services provided by the operating system including access to contacts, photos, location, files, mail, network, clipboard and even communicate with other apps.

That is not true. Apple can still require you to provide access to certain areas such as contacts and photos. Apple would need to fortify the side loading mechanisms. When the app is loaded, it behaves like a normal Apple app, except it just hasn’t been certified by Apple


Which is fine. Apple taking money from developers isn't my problem.

Yeah, and I wasn’t making that point in defense of the user. You took that out of context


Enough of them are. Millions of them. Many of them will do a lot to make more money.

That is not what I mean by malicious. Malicious here means someone who is creating an app that prioritizes being a bad actor, e.g sharing data to the dark web. Many millions are not creating apps like this.
 
YOUR iPhone won't magically become "worse" if Apple gives people the option to sideload apps on THEIR iPhone.

It will become worse if I have to side load to get that app when I otherwise could get it from the App Store.

When you are in an ecosystem every other user's behaviour influences your experience of the ecosystem. If enough users changes behaviour, the probability you will notice it in one form or another increases drastically.
 
if you chose to continue to get all your apps directly from Appe's App store, nothing for you changes.

I'm not sure where you're coming up with your nonsense, but most of it is misinformation and incorrect

If the app is removed from the App Store and only available from the developer, something would change.

Every ecosystem, which has a large proportion of non-technical users, which allows the end users to install software from any source, has more security problems in general: Windows, Android, macOS.
 
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If popular apps are just available through side loading, you would have to make a tough choice.

Today, you don't have to since most developers are compelled to provide the app in the App Store.
Most apps would still be that way (or have the option for both). Most apps for the mac are still found in the mac store, only a few need to be sideloaded.
 
Mac OS has always allowed 3rd party apps, are we now saying that Mac OS has little system security?
Yes, FAR less system security, since it’s inception, compared to the iPhone.

I can currently can sideload apps but Apple are constantly making this harder, saying when you buy your device your making your choice on ecosystem this idea needs to change people can join this ecosystem then apple changes its beliefs then people are stuck with the changes Apple made.
No, they’re NOT stuck. Millions of sales of Android devices show that those folks were not STUCK to the iPhone.

If someone wants a phone that has a feature that’s important to them, like folding, then they should support/buy the folding phone. It doesn’t make sense to buy a phone from a company that doesn’t even make folding phones because that just sends the message to THAT company that you’re fine with a non-folding phone!
 
Yes, FAR less system security, since it’s inception, compared to the iPhone.


No, they’re NOT stuck. Millions of sales of Android devices show that those folks were not STUCK to the iPhone.

If someone wants a phone that has a feature that’s important to them, like folding, then they should support/buy the folding phone. It doesn’t make sense to buy a phone from a company that doesn’t even make folding phones because that just sends the message to THAT company that you’re fine with a non-folding phone!
Im talking about the companies that buy Apple products and are able to use them for the intended purpose but then Apples beliefs/policy’s change sometime after… the device is not fit for purpose anymore, are these companies supposed to take the hit to move to Android when they have developed apps for iOS and bought supporting accessories for the IOS ecosystem? Yes, the Apple ecosystem is good but Apple has way too much power over the way it can be used.
 
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Im talking about the companies that buy Apple products and are able to use them for the intended purpose but then Apples beliefs/policy’s change sometime after… the device is not fit for purpose anymore, are these companies supposed to take the hit to move to Android when they have developed apps for iOS and bought supporting accessories for the IOS ecosystem?
YES! If the device is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE then it would be insane to keep using it!

Dev: Boss, we can’t use the iPhone anymore.
Boss: Why not?
Dev: Our solution requires the 30 pin port hardware connection and Apple just announced they’re killing the 30-pin port!
Boss: LOOK, the iPhone is no longer fit for purpose for us, but we’re still going to use it!
Dev: Why? I mean…. Ok. Good. So, in other news, I’m resigning.
 
YES! If the device is NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE then it would be insane to keep using it!

Dev: Boss, we can’t use the iPhone anymore.
Boss: Why not?
Dev: Our solution requires the 30 pin port hardware connection and Apple just announced they’re killing the 30-pin port!
Boss: LOOK, the iPhone is no longer fit for purpose for us, but we’re still going to use it!
Dev: Why? I mean…. Ok. Good. So, in other news, I’m resigning.
we are not talking about hardware changes here…if there was hardware change to an iPad for example that a company required to use then I get you... Ill give you an example, iPads used to carry out a geological risk survey on a app ( a type of survey that you really don’t want to be wrong) Apple policy changes the app stopped working… you have already spent money on R&D on an app and 10 iPads but now because of a policy change you need to move to Android… it’s not that simple… Apple has too much control over these devices, either way DMA / all the antitrust lawsuits piling up… This is going to happen it’s just a question of time and how many people buy Apples BS Propaganda and fear mongering.
 
If the app is removed from the App Store and only available from the developer, something would change.

Every ecosystem, which has a large proportion of non-technical users, which allows the end users to install software from any source, has more security problems in general: Windows, Android, macOS.
This is a good point, but if sideloading was implemented correctly this wouldn’t be as big of a problem. google play store still has apps even though you can sideload them it all about ease of access.
 
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monopoly power in the App Store.
And, don’t forget, not ONLY do they have monopoly power in the Apple AppStore, they also have monopoly power INSIDE the actual Apple Stores all around the country. They ALSO have monopoly power of their headquarters, monopoly power over the lightning port, etc.!
 
it’s not that simple… Apple has too much control over these devices, either way DMA / all the antitrust lawsuits piling up… This is going to happen it’s just a question of time and how many people buy Apples BS Propaganda and fear mongering.
No, it IS that simple. If I start up a business recycling electronics in a strip mall, and the land developer changes the use requirements for the space I’m operating in and won’t sign a new lease with me, THEN I HAVE TO MOVE! Running a business is filled with uncertainties and risk. Anyone who enters into application development business thinking there’s zero risk really shouldn’t have entered into the business in the first place.

You either adjust to suit the situation you find yourself in or close up shop.
 
No, it IS that simple. If I start up a business recycling electronics in a strip mall, and the land developer changes the use requirements for the space I’m operating in and won’t sign a new lease with me, THEN I HAVE TO MOVE! Running a business is filled with uncertainties and risk. Anyone who enters into application development business thinking there’s zero risk really shouldn’t have entered into the business in the first place.

You either adjust to suit the situation you find yourself in or close up shop.
In this Example you signed a lease you would have prepared for the possibility of change of location… of course there is risks with any business but placing trust on another company is not good practice either… Apple changing something out of the blue can make companies go bust even without them knowing, again too much power… do you really believe Apple have your best interests in mind when they tell you that sideloading will compromise security? What percentage of this do you think is them protecting there monopoly over their App Store ?
 
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In this Example you signed a lease you would have prepared for the possibility of change of location… of course there is risks with any business but placing trust on another company is not good practice either… Apple changing something out of the blue can make companies go bust even without them knowing, again too much power… do you really believe Apple have your best interests in mind when they tell you that sideloading will compromise security? What percentage of this do you think is them protecting there monopoly over their App Store ?
Actually, let’s take a look at that. I’m sure if you have this concern, then there must be ONE company that has gone bust because of Apple’s actions, care to link to their blog page and/or article? And, yes, Blackberry went bust, Nokia is a shadow of their former selves, etc. but I’m referring to a specific software company that had to go out of business because Apple changed something?

And, NO, I believe that Apple has APPLE’s best interest in mind. Any company has their own best interests in mind, why would anyone think anything different? Apple wants to make money, Apple wants to continue to make money. And, any company starting today with the idea that their business depends on sideloading to Apple devices… well, let’s just say I wish them lots of luck… and maybe a bit of intelligence because they’re missing some LOL
 
Actually, let’s take a look at that. I’m sure if you have this concern, then there must be ONE company that has gone bust because of Apple’s actions, care to link to their blog page and/or article? And, yes, Blackberry went bust, Nokia is a shadow of their former selves, etc. but I’m referring to a specific software company that had to go out of business because Apple changed something?

And, NO, I believe that Apple has APPLE’s best interest in mind. Any company has their own best interests in mind, why would anyone think anything different? Apple wants to make money, Apple wants to continue to make money. And, any company starting today with the idea that their business depends on sideloading to Apple devices… well, let’s just say I wish them lots of luck… and maybe a bit of intelligence because they’re missing some LOL
Marques Brownlee has got this covered… honestly a great video about how Apple can abuse it’s position there’s a mix of software and hardware in there so take your pick but I would say Apple put f.lux out of business…
 
Marques Brownlee has got this covered… honestly a great video about how Apple can abuse it’s position there’s a mix of software and hardware in there so take your pick but I would say Apple put f.lux out of business…
This flux?
That, curiously enough, is still in business? I’m curious how anyone would even expect that Apple could put anyone out of business if they offer products for Windows?

And, since that was preeeetty quick to hunt down, I’d figure that no other company has “gone out of business”. I mean, one would THINK there’d be ONE post out there of at least ONE company saying how Apple put them out of business, but no… They all just told Marques Brownlee and then mysteriously disappeared… hmmmmm

I think there’s MORE evidence that Marques Brownlee put them out of business!!

Can Apple put a company out of business, absolutely, no question. Is Apple the ONLY company in the world putting other companies out of business? According to some people, yes.
 
That's a well stated opinion. As a customer here is what you like and prefer. But if one day you (or I) want 'open', you have another widely and extremely available option out there. If enough of you/us did that then a company (in an evil scheme to make profit!) may change their eco rules. Yet since Apple is extremely successful in what they do with a customer base that reports among the highest satisfaction (and retention ratings), they'll continue to do it the way that is successful and makes customers satisfied.

For some odd reason there is a very vocal contingent on internet chat sites that hate the idea of all of that.

As Nadella said today, one can build an ecosystem that stands for sovereignty for creators and agency for consumers. Within this a customer can enjoy the benefits of using one App Store, a system where a customer can go to conveniently find and install apps as well as pay as they see fit and creators can be part of the eccossystem on their own terms. All while not compromising the conveniency that is expected in 2021 in this context.

This is an extremely positive and inspiring way over the future.

This is in a strike contrast to Apple approach. Where it is using negative marketing, fear based marketing playing with peoples insecurities to justify taking away creators sovereignty and the consequential customer choice to Apples favor ($$$). As a tech person always thought that OSs like iOS and macOS can chnage peoples lives in ways more profound than say a Play Station. So the principles and policies around these kinds of ecosystems should rise to such a level, not going lower to the level of a game console.

For the first time in decades I fell like … I wish we had some of the design principles of Windows in iOS.


iOS … the system secured from the pests. So far away from the “Think different”.

This is the video Apple made in 1994 targeting IBM. I honestly think, albeit more colorfull, that Apple is becoming like IBM but for consumer. Precisely the opposite that inspired so many about the future of computing. I guess money does corrupt peoples principles. I don’t even think that SJ would approve the scale what is going on … who knows ... maybe he would.
 
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I don’t even think that SJ would approve the scale what is going on … who knows ... maybe he would.
The guy that famously said “you’re holding it wrong”? Yeah, he’d be fine with it. It could be that the only thing that he would have to say about anything would be why are they still selling Macintoshes.
 
This is in a strike contrast to Apple approach. Where it is using negative marketing, fear based marketing playing with peoples insecurities to justify taking away creators sovereignty and the consequential customer choice to Apples favor ($$$). As a tech person always thought that OSs like iOS and macOS can chnage peoples lives in ways more profound than say a Play Station. So the principles and policies around these kinds of ecosystems should rise to such a level, not going lower to the level of a game console.

For the first time in decades I fell like … I wish we had some of the design principles of Windows in iOS.

iOS … the system secured from the pests. So far away from the “Think different”.


This is the video Apple made in 1994 targeting IBM. I honestly think, albeit more colorfull, that Apple is becoming like IBM but for consumer. Precisely the opposite that inspired so many about the future of computing. I guess money does corrupt peoples principles. I don’t even think that SJ would approve the scale what is going on … who knows ... maybe he would.

I worked for Apple from the mid 80s to the mid 90s. So from the inside IME I can tell you of three things: 1.there was a companywide culture of believing in our devices allowing consumers to do things differently, easier to use, as well as to be financially successful. Our products pretty much always had a cost premium (going back to the company having only several thousand employees) even under SJ.
2. Yes, we prided ourselves on not being IBM-esque. We kept stickers and placards around the cubicles and break rooms thst emphasized not thinking like the stereotypical stuffed suits of offices and boardrooms that looked to do it just like everyone else just at greater volume than others. That was in part good but also in part not good. Microsoft, who really was not too far from being IBM in business practice — they just had younger execs, who understood that software was where the big money was — ate Apple’s lunch and me/people I know lost our jobs. So you and the rest of the anti Apple crowd who love to admonish Apple for making decisions that have profit importance in mind, how about you stick to being noble with the companies you buy from and with the company you work for. Write a memo to Demand they stop making decisions that consider profit. Tell that to Microsoft or Google or whoever you work for. (The argument by the anti crowd that Apple is “doing it for the money” is a laughably disingenuous argument).
3. Apple didn’t invent the personal computer or a personal computer’s GUI (they also didn’t invent the portable music player, the cell phone or the smart watch — those products were after my time at Apple). They also didn’t (and couldn’t be successful) doing it just like everyone else (Apple trying to be like Pepsi was a disaster I did see). Apple was/is perfectly ok at seeing an existing product then trying to do it better as an individual device and within their own different ecosystem (that isn’t done like the others).

To your other “points”:
Apple is now like Microsoft? Sure, Apple could stop building personal computers, license MacOS to any hardware maker absolutely anywhere who will pay to license it, bloat MacOS revisions to the hilt so it will operate/sell in as many consumer and business spaces as possible with an emphasis on business and government. Apple maybe, in the short run, could see MacOS take some real share while increasing revenue through sheer volume. Maybe that could change Apple to differentiate them from Microsoft?(roll eyes)

Apple now sells using fear? Wow, How ironic you use the 1984 commercial that was laden with fear (I’ll bet you missed that irony). Look, if you and the other anti Apple people want to fight to protect huge data/privacy mining for the biggest advertising companies in the world (those two companies would be Google and Facebook. Factually, these two companies make the vast majority of their revenue from advertising), and want to accuse Apple of scaring people over privacy data (and Malware/spyware/hacking/dubious actors on the internet), please keep doing it. Your side’s company is happy when the topic is not mentioned, understandably so. But I’d prefer the conversation continues, so thank you, because every person who reads this is at least made a bit more aware of how much of their data is mined. Please please continue stating that Apple is scaring people about privacy, malware, spyware, hacking (what you call “pests”). I’m sure average users can be convinced to be unconcerned with the “pests” and see Apple as a negative for highlighting and promoting protection from “pests”.

In fact Apple is/remains different from the other players. That’s a fact that is easily proven(the bold above is the lead in). Now How different is certainly a fair debatable point. You may not think it’s very different and I’m sure that is something that could have some facts to the argument. But I’d recommend you stick with arguing Apple wants to make a profit and they are selling fear regarding securing a user’s privacy and from malware etc. That one’s a winner!
 
Isn't It the job of the developer to develop and innovative better methods of security? If IOS became a public resource/ open source then this would require better security as well as been open, if one developer cant handle this another will.
No. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and aren't a developer.
However if you can describe a method to me that can safely encrypt a data file on an open device that can only be decrypted by the application that owns it, in a way that can't be read from memory (RAM or Flash) then there's plenty who'd pay you good money for your solution. Or show me an "open source" solution.
BTW "open source" is not "public resource". It's not software communism. Code can be "open source" but still owned and can't be lifted and re-used unless its licence specifically allows it.
Apple has a hardware solution called secure enclave, it also protects passwords in their KeyChain and Credit Card details. You want to break all that?
I have discussed this very topic with Apple's engineers on their developer forums and confirmed with them my conclusions from my own research.
 
No. You obviously don't know what you are talking about and aren't a developer.
However if you can describe a method to me that can safely encrypt a data file on an open device that can only be decrypted by the application that owns it, in a way that can't be read from memory (RAM or Flash) then there's plenty who'd pay you good money for your solution. Or show me an "open source" solution.
BTW "open source" is not "public resource". It's not software communism. Code can be "open source" but still owned and can't be lifted and re-used unless its licence specifically allows it.
Apple has a hardware solution called secure enclave, it also protects passwords in their KeyChain and Credit Card details. You want to break all that?
I have discussed this very topic with Apple's engineers on their developer forums and confirmed with them my conclusions from my own research.
Your correct I’m not a developer never claimed to be… I work with developers on a day to day basis, but not one of them takes the attitude that a task cant be done… otherwise we can find a developer who can do the task required. Public resource I was referring to the app store becoming a public resource not controlled by Apple anymore.
Clearly not calling for keychain or wallet details to be accessible by anyone… either the ability to sideload apps (the ability to fully acesss the devices memory this can be hidden so only advance users can access) or the App Store becomes a public resource managed by someone other than Apple. I appreciate what Apple has built with the AppStore I’d rather they just give the option to sideload. Where there's a will there's a way…
 
So you and the rest of the anti Apple crowd who love to admonish Apple for making decisions that have profit importance in mind, how about you stick to being noble with the companies you buy from and with the company you work for. Write a memo to Demand they stop making decisions that consider profit.

Going from what I wrote to admonishing Apple for making very profitable decisions goes a long distance, a very, a very long distance.

Systematically trimming down creators sovereignty over their products and customers agency for the sake of ones profit was my core subject matter. This considering that is not the only way to highly prosper neither it is the core value of their success.

That the Apple system is relatively closed we all knew. But this is new, its a company management trend that is getting to be the norm for profit sake … so it can be and should be criticized even by people that appreciate the company history as I do. They justify it with “security and privacy reasons” … technically this is debatable at many levels. It is a possible solution that is simply not good enough for mankind, mediocre at best.

To be honest is something that is getting me by surprise as at the center Apple success aren’t at all these principles as far as I understood the company … People never opted for Apple because its a closed system, it has always been a trade off. Considering Apple history I was expecting that from other companies. The hardware and OS platform I and my family use are from Apple nothing else … digitally the Apple platform is our home. That was my choice … maybe I made a mistake? Time will tell.

As of mining data … well, when customers deposit all their data interactions in a single broker and it uses that to strong harm others to share their revenue, mining data or controlling user interactions is just a question of semantics. In the end its mining their customers. Its well known fact that Apple uses customers data to deliver targeted ads across their services (Apple News, App Store …). So they do data mining, and they haven’t hidden this from anyone. Do they follow you over the browser?… I’m still not that sure … but they did sell that part to a company that does do that for billions per year … Google.

Now if your opinion goes only as far as how much profit your favorite company does … its your choice of course too. Not mine. I don’t buy Apple prodcuts because its a very profitable company. For that matter I invest in them, not buy products. My intervention is not as an Investor but as a buyer and user of their products an service.
 
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I agree people should change to use other platform if they want App side loading. iPhone & Android Phone exists for years and people should aware their differences before they purchase. I don't understand why a closed platform cannot be the selling point; just like the old blackberry.
 
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Going from what I wrote to admonishing Apple for making very profitable decisions goes a long distance, a very, a very long distance.

"Going from what I wrote to admonishing Apple for making very profitable decisions"
Seriously, just stop with the silly argument of profit. As a company Google, Apple, Microsoft, Samsung, Facebook, Amazon etc etc all make "very profitable" decisions. Shockingly very profitable usually means a better product for consumers. See how that works?
And to cover the rest of the varying silliness of "I'm here to tell everyone Apple isn't perfect" and "Apple cares more about profit". They too are silly, unserious sloganeering.

"Systematically trimming down creators sovereignty over their products and customers agency for the sake of ones profit was my core subject matter. This considering that is not the only way to highly prosper neither it is the core value of their success."
That's a great appeal to emotion. You are speaking of their shouldn't be the walled ecosystem, shouldn't be too much privacy security or both?
If it's privacy security than you put forth a very eloquent response to disguise an anti privacy stance. If you want monetized data mining then you have the largest mobile platform in the world, Android, to go ply your wares.
If it's the walled ecosystem then let me respond as eloquently: my consumer choice of a security first ecosystem/platform isn't negotiable simply for the betterment of you. Regarding the security first platform for developers? Here's the rules now go develop within the rules. Plenty of developers have made a lot of money within the Apple ecosystem. For your own platform choice, developers have also made plenty of money. With Apple it may be harder to put forth their hard effort products. On your choice, developer hard work may be easier and it may also be more easily ripped off. Welcome to the real world where nothing is or will be perfect. Either way we will not change to suit you. That you feel oddly entitled to demand we change for you, that should be and is of no importance. Understood?

"To be honest is something that is getting me by surprise as at the center Apple success aren’t at all these principles as far as I understood the company … People never opted for Apple because its a closed system, it has always been a trade off. Considering Apple history I was expecting that from other companies."
Another appeal to emotion. So the bubble is burst for you. The truth is out, Apple didn't go into business to win warm and cuddly admiration awards from you/the rest of the vocal Internet anti Apple crowd. In a shocking! dubious move Apple decided/decides to put out products because they think users will like them which leads to Apple making money. The more consumers the more money they could make (shhh, we don't want Google and Samsung to know this!). So here is a variation appeal to emotion: This Apple money also disseminates to the massive amount of stockholders/401k holders, Apple employees, staggering number of Apple vendors, big number of third party developers, numerous tertiary businesses. There's a fairly large city in California in southern Alameda county. When Apple was making decisions that didn't make money, the lower part of that city looked concerningly un-busy. Employees, restaurants nearby, stores nearby, shipping companies, repair companies, custodial companies, building maintenance companies etc etc etc ---- They could all say 'well, Apple is swell! Now let's think of somehow someway to make next month's rent'.
Once again, the profit argument is laughably silly.

"As of mining data … well, when customers deposit all their data interactions in a single broker and it uses that to strong harm others to share their revenue, mining data or controlling user interactions is just a question of semantics. In the end its mining their customers. Its well known fact that Apple uses customers data to deliver targeted ads across their services (Apple News, App Store …). So they do data mining, and they haven’t hidden this from anyone. Do they follow you over the browser?… I’m still not that sure … but they did sell that part to a company that does do that for billions per year … Google."

Question of semantics is it? I'll say this, your anti Apple stance is more low key and eloquent than many others I've read. That's a compliment. But what you just said is more commonly stated (by the Internet anti Apple crowd): "they all do it!". Semantics was just used by another anti Apple response to me. "Semantics" going to be the new tact? No more "they all do it"?
So let's put a few facts out there so you my friend can be much more clear on the subject. Apple and Google are factually and undeniably the two biggest companies in the world in their respective fields.
Apple is the largest consumer electronic company in the world. The only reason they are factually the largest consumer electronics company in the world because they generate more sales than any other company on consumer electronics hardware. They also generate a minority of money through other means, overwhelmingly services such as Apple Music, Apps, AppleCare etc. They make almost nothing on advertising (it's their in their PL).
Google is the largest advertising company in the world. They are factually the largest advertising company in the world because they generate more sales than any other company via advertising revenue. (side note, their advertising is so lucrative because they are able to profile every user to unseen granularity. They are able to target advertising to hundreds of millions//billion people because they have incredibly detailed habits and tendencies of the individual. This is something unseen in the history of mankind). This money makes up approximately 70% of their money generation. They also make money from consumer electronic hardware sales, services and cloud, software licensing among other.

Now that we have gotten the indisputable facts (don't do it! these are indisputable facts!) out of the way, I'm not going to go into what individual information is and is not gathered by each company. This is by their own admission/publicly available agreements/notices. But 1, you already tried to use Google Map and Apple Maps as 'they all do it', I factually and indisputably proved you wrong, you disregarded it. B I know the anti Apple argument already will be 'just because Apple says they don't do it and they don't make money off it, that doesn't mean they don't. they all do it!' (another unprovable slogan).
So I'll save what each company is fairly clear about what data they gather on users and what options they provide to disable seeing that information.
Gee, I wonder who will win the privacy security argument
 
Seriously, just stop with the silly argument of profit.

Stop distorting what I’ve wrote to fit your Investor agenda. My comment was about creators sovereignty and customer agency principles in the Post PC era.

It’s quite clear you have none in face of profits and that you believe trimming these down it’s the only way to profit. Equating trimming down creator sovereignty and customer agency to better privacy and security is just cute, just cute. It’s just the path to a securitarian private “state” of billions of people.

That is why Apple and other are facing Anti Trust concerns.

I’ve never disputed the fact that both Apple and Google and two of the biggest companies world serving an unprecedented number of people and customers.

On the subject of mining users data, I understand that you avoided the inconvenient details of each company. Apple is not against mining user data at all. What Apple considers is that the agreements celebrated between say Facebook and its users are unfair. Anyone buying into Facebook know that their data is being mined and sold for advertising purposes … its in the agreement they agreed on sign up. Apple thinks that its a bad agreement, so do I, so its working to provide users more stop gaps in that agreements, giving people more control over data within their ecosystem. Yet by doing so in essence in indeed winging their power to condition third party business models, for the good or for the bad.




These are facts that barely people read, that is why you jumped all over it.

The later, the difference between Apple and others is that Apple tracking is not cross platform. Its just within iOS and macOS, including Safari, but “just” means also billions of users. So their device reach ends on their devices … its an Apple business decision. Nothing to do with Privacy or Security. Google services are cross platform, also a business decision.

So stop pretending that Apple does not mine users data. It does. Just it seams to be doing it while giving users more control over what data is shared for such purposes when compared with their competition.

I think Privacy and Security is a citizenship issue, not just a customer issue, as such it should be regulated by governamental policies, at least a baseline and not left to private sector monetization.
 
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