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Apple Expands List of Stores Open for Thanksgiving Day [Updated]

I was about to say "who the hell is going to go to an apple store on thanksgiving? **** you apple!" But it's nice to see Tim Cook has done the right thing. Now if only Target and Walmart will follow the same path :/

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ppenn said:
All you have to do is refuse to work that day...It's not that hard
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This is true. It was fairly easy for me to get of of work from Target. But unfortunately, some stores will need employees to work on that day.
 
MacRumors said:
Update: ifoAppleStore has updated its report to state that upon learning of the effort to open stores on Thanksgiving, Apple CEO Tim Cook has canceled it, citing the need for employees to be with their families.
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As they should be. IMO, of course.

I would hope this story gets some traction, if only to shame those stores that are opening on Thanksgiving.
 
ppenn said:
I've worked in retail...been in a similar situation where I was scheduled a mandatory shift outside of normal expectations and simply said no. Having also been in management I know that a worker wouldn't lose their job over that one time...if they did, they weren't a very good employee who had issue already and this was just icing.
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You may have been a good manager, but a short-tempered, hot-headed one may fire the worker for insubordination.

Walmart is like a dungeon. Most of the people are unhappy and uncommitted to their jobs (I do not work there, but I do work in their stores). And they feel their hand is forced if they are scheduled a specific shift, like coming in at midnight Halloween to set Christmas, ridiculous stuff like that.

But to not get too far off topic. I think Apple is above all that, and it took Tim Cook to remind us that.
 
giantfan1224 said:
You need to pay attention to who's writing what. The McDonald scenario was not brought up by me. I, personally, prefer not to frequent establishments that work on Thanksgiving because I feel bad for the workers that have to work who would rather not. On the flip side, the McDonald's guy brought up a scenario in which his workers wanted to work on Thanksgiving which I have no problem with. You seem to be in favor of some sort of fascist or communist ideal that would force everyone to not work on Thanksgiving, AND LIKE IT!!
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You are correct that I accidentally mixed you up with the OP; my apologies to the OP.

I'm not sure how believing that everyone (not including emergency personnel) be off work on a national holiday is some communist ideal but, hey, whatever.

You choose to not shop/go to the movies on Thanksgiving because you feel bad for the workers; I applaud your choice. What I'm saying is a extension of that; if the movies/stores aren't open, no one has to work. If you truly feel bad for the people who have to work, not sure why you keep going on about people choosing to work the holiday.

As someone else pointed out, until not so very long ago, it was the norm for the vast majority of businesses to be closed on holidays; so I'm not presenting some communist ideal, but simply a return to a time when people didn't have to go to work on Thanksgiving Day to sell discounted TVs that could just as easily be bought/sold on Black Friday.

No offense to you, but if you reply/quote this post, I won't reply to you any further.
 
Now there will be nothing to do in Las Vegas on Thanksgiving day. /sarcasm

I salute Mr. Cook for closing up on behalf of the retail staff that would want to do something else. Apple does not need lame gimmicks like being open on Thanksgiving Day to be successful.
 
Awesome job Tim Cook! Glad he cancelled stores trying to open on Thanksgiving.

Thanksgiving is literally the last break retail employees get until Christmas. Its sad that greedy corporations (who don't work holidays) try and ruin this.

Its also sad they ruined the tradition of Black Friday. Black Friday, although hectic was always fun to work. All stores would open at 5am and lines would be hundreds of people long. It was a good time. Now all thats gone.
 
garya73 said:
You may have been a good manager, but a short-tempered, hot-headed one may fire the worker for insubordination.

Walmart is like a dungeon. Most of the people are unhappy and uncommitted to their jobs (I do not work there, but I do work in their stores). And they feel their hand is forced if they are scheduled a specific shift, like coming in at midnight Halloween to set Christmas, ridiculous stuff like that.

But to not get too far off topic. I think Apple is above all that, and it took Tim Cook to remind us that.
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Speaking from first hand experience I can tell you that Apple is in no way above that. Tim Cook back peddled his decision to open a few stores because of all the crap he got for it. I remember when Apple didn't really care what popular opinion was, they did what they want. Under their new leadership that certainly isn't the case.
 
I remember volunteering to work Thanksgiving at The Cube. As someone who does not celebrate the decimation of indigenous people and could not care less for "family time" I appreciated the extra pay, free food, raffles, and bonuses that magically diminished every year. I know I was not alone.
 
RedRaven571 said:
You are correct that I accidentally mixed you up with the OP; my apologies to the OP.

I'm not sure how believing that everyone (not including emergency personnel) be off work on a national holiday is some communist ideal but, hey, whatever.
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It was your quote that everyone should get a mandatory holiday except McDonald's employees that led me to the whole compulsory element that you see in fascism or communism.

You choose to not shop/go to the movies on Thanksgiving because you feel bad for the workers; I applaud your choice. What I'm saying is a extension of that; if the movies/stores aren't open, no one has to work. If you truly feel bad for the people who have to work, not sure why you keep going on about people choosing to work the holiday.
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I feel bad for those people that have to work on holidays that would rather be with their families. That's it.

As someone else pointed out, until not so very long ago, it was the norm for the vast majority of businesses to be closed on holidays; so I'm not presenting some communist ideal, but simply a return to a time when people didn't have to go to work on Thanksgiving Day to sell discounted TVs that could just as easily be bought/sold on Black Friday.
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But the reality is, more and more stores are opening on holidays because there is demand for it. If we all stopped going to movies or Walmart on Thanksgiving, they would close. I just don't agree with some compulsory shutdown which you seem to be proposing.

No offense to you, but if you reply/quote this post, I won't reply to you any further.
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Wow, OK. Does that mean I win? :D
 
Glad they get it off

I'm glad Tim changed his mind. I worked in retail years ago. Contrary to what some have said about giving their employees a choice to work, I don't actually remember anyone ever giving me 'the choice' to take a holiday off. I was generally scheduled to work them and I hated it.

I don't celebrate the holidays to be honest, but I still like to have those days off. It only seems fair.
 
Apple already sells every device they make... let their employees be home with their families on Thanksgiving.... it will make absolutely zero difference to Apple's balance sheet at the end of the quarter.
 
snebes said:
USPS working Sundays. I don't like this trend.
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I like the USPS working on Sundays. If you understood the "USPS-Amazon deal" it means that Amazon is contracting the US Post Office to make Sunday deliveries….. one of the few small things that will keep the USPS in business.

Unless you've been under a rock, the USPS has been bleeding towards bankruptcy. They are on the verge of being shut down. Many post offices have already been closed. Hence… this deal with Amazon is a huge boon for keeping the USPS in business, keeping them still relevant in the Age of Online Shopping. Customers getting their packages on a Sunday? Awesomesauce….. unless you are an observant Orthodox Jew.

In fairness…. I am in favor of the idea that the USPS should allow individual employees to "opt out" of having to work on Sundays.
 
RedRaven571 said:
I agree, national holidays should be for everyone. Not just for office workers to be off and go out and torment the retail workers. Holidays should be for everyone, or no one at all.
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Wrong.

I have to work on Thanksgiving Day most of the time. I work in the ICU, but sometimes in the Emergency Room. Mostly night shift.

And don't get me started about being scheduled to work on New Year's Eve in an ER assignment. That is the single night of the year when the hospitals see lots of dead or injured people due to motor vehicle accidents. It can be a hellish shift.
 
Solomani said:
Wrong.

I have to work on Thanksgiving Day most of the time. I work in the ICU, but sometimes in the Emergency Room. Mostly night shift.

And don't get me started about being scheduled to work on New Year's Eve in an ER assignment. That is the single night of the year when the hospitals see lots of dead or injured people due to motor vehicle accidents. It can be a hellish shift.
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Used to be a hospital pharmacist, I've worked my share of holidays also (obviously not in the ER/ICU); I've also worked numerous holidays as a retail pharmacist.

I've corrected my statement elsewhere in this thread that obviously emergency services (hospital, ambulance, police, fire fighters, etc.) need to work holidays. My point is that retail establishments (non-essential services) really don't need to open on holidays.
 
Yep... agree.....

I'm not interested in trying to go shopping on Thanksgiving day. But you know what? A lot of people can only take so much of sitting around at home with family and relatives, and once you've eaten all you want to eat -- there's not usually a whole lot else going on for this particular holiday.

I get why some people might want to get out of the house and do some shopping if stores they like are open. And I agree that as long as the stores only use workers who VOLUNTEER to work the schedule, it's a win-win for everyone.

I guess the fear is that stores will get too greedy and start demanding people come in to work Thanksgiving hours, rather than making it optional.


aristobrat said:
One-size fits all statements like that never work for everybody.

I think that if a company can pull off being open on holidays in a way that works for their employees, then good for them.

I managed a McD's years ago that was located in a shopping center that had a grocery store that was open (and very busy) Thanksgiving morning. The McD's owner noticed that and told us he wanted his McD's open for breakfast Thanksgiving (to take advantage of the grocery store crowd). I didn't know how this would fly, but I put up a "Hey, do you want to work Thanksgiving morning?" sign-up sheet in the break room with 10 slots on it, and it was filled in a day or two later. Turns out there were a ton of employees that found being around their house on Thanksgiving morning boring. Thanksgiving mornings turned out to be one the most fun shifts to work, and business was incredible. There was never an issue finding willing employees.
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My mom used to work on Thanksgiving Day. Honestly, it wasn't an issue, we just ate a little earlier, or after 8PM. I think some of these people need to realize that there's always people that are going to need to rent a movie, buy salad, turkey, and all that at the last minute. We always wait until the last minute to buy the fixings for the dinner as there's only the four of us and we never know what's going to happen. Sometimes we go out, often times not.

I think the only retail places that should be open are supermarkets and gas stations though. I also think that these people need to be in high spirits, because most of us that do our shopping that day are very grateful for it.

And honestly, you can have a great brunch/lunch instead of the dinner too. Needless to say, you're going to be eating the same thing all week anyway. :eek:
 
kingtj said:
I'm not interested in trying to go shopping on Thanksgiving day. But you know what? A lot of people can only take so much of sitting around at home with family and relatives, and once you've eaten all you want to eat -- there's not usually a whole lot else going on for this particular holiday.
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Yep. And did anyone else except me remember that every December 25th, there are at least a couple of "wanna-be blockbuster movies" that are released in the movie theaters on that exact Christmas day?

It's like begging people to ….. "Leave your Christmas dinner table, and instead drive on over to our movie theatre to see the premiere release of Thor 3: Pants of Thunder!"
 
Kudos to Tim for sticking to his guns

BC2009 said:
Much respect to Tim Cook for canceling this once he got word of it. That should make these idiots recognize that Apple retail employees deserve some time with their families too.
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He originally said no. Now he needs to spank the idiots who thought he wasn't in charge!!!
 
Sure, and so what?

If you value your family more than some new movie release, you won't pay attention to that. But I know a lot of Jewish people who don't have a reason to celebrate Christmas at all. Maybe they'd like to go to that movie?

And I know a few Jehovah's Witnesses who don't celebrate ANY holidays.


Solomani said:
Yep. And did anyone else except me remember that every December 25th, there are at least a couple of "wanna-be blockbuster movies" that are released in the movie theaters on that exact Christmas day?

It's like begging people to ….. "Leave your Christmas dinner table, and instead drive on over to our movie theatre to see the premiere release of Thor 3: Pants of Thunder!"
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