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Apple is promoting a false sense of privacy. Technically, Apple does monetize its customers by selling access to them. For X billion dollars, they made it convenient for Google to be your default browser search service.

Personally, I think the risks haven't been adequately identified. I'm more concerned about hackers than targeted advertisements. And I'm also more dubious of the tech companies who made this environment possible and want to sell me a solution.

I drunk the Kool-Aid many years ago but with a grain of salt.

Amen. It's naive to trust any tech company's Siren Song.
 
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They do collect data. They explain they have ways of completely randomizing it. I’m specifically thinking of Apple Maps data.
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That is called anonymity, not privacy.

Seems like people don't really care about privacy, they just care that google is making money and they don't like it.
 
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It's really disappointing that this is what Apple has become. Gone are the funny and memorable ads. Gone are the products worth buying. Now we just have lousy ads pushing ludicrously overpriced products with minor improvements from prior generations.

At this point I'm thinking Apple is going to have to offer a folding 5G iPhone before I upgrade from my 6+.
Times change. It’s a different market with different competition. They’ve adapted accordingly. Privacy is big talking point right now.
 
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France, United Kingdom, and Germany. The same countries where Huawei is growing by double digits.

If Apple is serious about their campaign, they need massive billboards, not just a couple of videos.
 
It's really disappointing that this is what Apple has become. Gone are the funny and memorable ads. Gone are the products worth buying. Now we just have lousy ads pushing ludicrously overpriced products with minor improvements from prior generations.

At this point I'm thinking Apple is going to have to offer a folding 5G iPhone before I upgrade from my 6+.
Lol, just watched the ads. They’re clueless like most of the things they do imo.
Who in the hell is interested in seeing a phone getting dismantled when you’re in the market for buying a new one.
You should at least expect it’s safe in handling your data. Nothing new to show to or compelling reasons to get it. Only irritating noises. Apple has become irritating noise.
 
Hmm, I have mixed feelings about these. They are great points, but they are more about Apple itself as a brand (privacy focused, environmentally aware). Even the remote erase thing is not iPhone specific, but more of a feature of iOS and iCloud.

So I'm not sure what Apple is trying to do here.
 
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France, United Kingdom, and Germany. The same countries where Huawei is growing by double digits.

If Apple is serious about their campaign, they need massive billboards, not just a couple of videos.
Apple does have billboards. I've seen huge Apple posters in MRT stations in Singapore. I've also seen Apple billboards in highways during the shot on iPhone campaign.

Billboards do present a challenge. You cannot measure their effectiveness accurately. Digital ads, on the other hand, is highly measurable.
 
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So, just another ad of self-promotion then. Talk about pretentiousness.


this boggles my mind. I'm pretty damn critical of many decisions that Apple's executives make. I don't think anyone on these boards doubts that. And some probably ignores me and considered me a "hater" (even though i'm not).


but what do you expect? these are commercials... for a product. commercials are completely utterly normal and expected mode of advertising for a product / service and has been that way since the day street criers yelled on the corner advertising services.

there is nothing wrong with commercials... except maybe for the sheer amount of them we get inundated with everyday, but to hate on a company for promoting something they are trying to sell is just ... bizarre.
 
so Samsung S10 pressure is working :D
Actually, the pressure is on Samsung. Samsung is giving free TVs as gifts when you order the Galaxies in some markets. Samsung is so pressured that they are actually making competitive products, the Galaxy Mxx series, to compete with the Chinese.
 
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So, just another ad of self-promotion then. Talk about pretentiousness.
Should their ads be dissing Samsung and showing their products???
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Those are so f lame, I can't even. Look at how Huawei "the copy cat" is innovating. Where is Apple's high res cameras, foldable phones, anything. Just lame ads
High res cameras aren’t as good as smaller size sensors with larger pixels.

But if you want to have “spec bragging rights” that’s how android tries to compete.
 
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Maybe they can also know your battery health and then you get al kinds of battery pack and battery replacement ads you did not ask for.

The thing is if I did not give my explicit permission to collect anything or “see” anything and it wasn’t clearly discussed in the privacy policy then don’t ****ing do it. End of story.

While I agree with you about explicit opt-in required for data collection and advertising tracking, unless your devices are some how magically different than my device, we absolutely have a mandatory opt-in policy. in fact, it's illegal not to for data collection from Canada.

Both Android and iOS phones during the setup process explicity ask, or warn you that by using the device you are opting in and that if you wish not to, stop then.

The fact there aren't good alternatives that don't datamine us, isn't Apple or Google's fault. there have been a couple attempts to create a phone OS that did not participate. Do you know what happened to them? They died. Nobody cared. (well, I did, but they were so barren in support from third parties, they might as well have been stillbirth)

BBOS10, FireFox OS, Ubuntu Mobile. they weren't half bad.
 
Lol, just watched the ads. They’re clueless like most of the things they do imo.
Who in the hell is interested in seeing a phone getting dismantled when you’re in the market for buying a new one.
You should at least expect it’s safe in handling your data. Nothing new to show to or compelling reasons to get it. Only irritating noises. Apple has become irritating noise.
More like, lol, you think you know about marketing better than Apple, the most profitable company in the world.

Apple made $60B in profit in 2018. #2 was $23B.

Tell me more about how Apple doesn't know how to market their products.
 
The more Apple keeps taunting the “we are private, we are secure unlike the competition”, the more it will hit them when they get their blow.

There is no way Apple is not capitalizing and callecting data from its massive user base.

Considering prices, I find it rather plausible.
 
I don’t understand your logic. You don’t think it’s a differentiating feature that is good and should be promoted?
The logic is a) that they should not have/collect my data and b) that the ad tries to imply that your data was safe.

It about being aware of the differences between “with natural ingredients” and “from natural ingredients” where you forget that “natural” can mean ugly things over discussing that wording difference.
 
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