I thought the "liquid retina" was a great display?
Turns out it was just a cost-cutting measure after all.
Turns out it was just a cost-cutting measure after all.
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Did someone say it wasn’t? I think the XR display is perfectly fine for what Apple is offering with the XR, not everyone is interested in OLED. On the contrary, I’m willing to believe the average consumer doesn’t even know what OLED even is or the disparities between LCD displays.
Of course the liquid retina display was a cost-cutting measure for the XR, if Apple had implemented an OLED panel on the XR, that would have only increased the price point even more. Again, I think the average consumer is perfectly fine with an LCD panel, given that Apple has a good reputation with calibration and brightness. They have some of the best LCD panels in the smart phone industry.
Because they have some of the only LCD panels in the smartphone industry.
Does any other company even offer an LCD on a $500+ phone?
But does that take away that you said it was just a ‘cost-cutting measure’ after all. So what were you expecting, for Apple to use an OLED panel on the XR and not charge more for it ? Again, I think the consumer is not complaining about Apples LCD panels, as much as you were interjecting snark about the XR display.
I can use phones with OLED, but for some reason Apple’s implementation brings me to the verge of seizure type migraine. Perhaps they will find some way to change that, but I’m not holding my breath.
Isn't Apple stuff supposed to "just work".
On a serious note, I may have missed this, but why does it not seem to affect Android phone users?
I thought the future was so bright when the 6+ phone came out, it was the best screen ever used on a phone, to this day.
I was SO EXCITED for the XR, I thought it would be an even better plus display. I was SO DISAPPOINTED when the completely lame XR screen was actually announced. Liquid Retina marketing lies.
This rumor makes me feel sad, angry and frustrated.
I was SO EXCITED for the XR, I thought it would be an even better plus display. I was SO DISAPPOINTED when the completely lame XR screen was actually announced. Liquid Retina marketing lies.
This rumor makes me feel sad, angry and frustrated.
I did a side by side comparison of the XR and XS and the LCD is much easier on my eyes. OLED may be preferable for those who play games, watch videos, etc but I prefer the LCD screen. I even tried to lower the brightness on the XS but still prefer the LCD.
Far cheaper phones than the XR put in OLED panels.
XR production is being slashed due to lack of demand. How is that not the consumer complaining?
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Lowering brightness worsens the problem of Apple's PWM implementation.
If this is true then it just shows Tim Cook et al have their heads buried in the sand. Unless they can dramatically lower the cost of OLED displays, it will result in more premium iPhones that won’t sell as well.
Look at the lower end of the smartphone market - if Apple are truly interested in making gains in the Chinese and Indian markets then they need to be releasing a phone that’s below £500. Stick to LCD, keep the basic design of the iPhone 8 and focus on improving battery life and software. Everything else is just gimmicks.
Look at the lower end of the smartphone market - if Apple are truly interested in making gains in the Chinese and Indian markets then they need to be releasing a phone that’s below £500. Stick to LCD, keep the basic design of the iPhone 8 and focus on improving battery life and software. Everything else is just gimmicks.
Samsung TVs are always really into some unicorn technology while at the same time sell subpar LCDs.modu
Samsung are really onto MicroLED now. Modular MicroLED Samsung TV's look amazing! Choose your own size. Even change it out at will
"Picture quality that rivals or beats OLED without any of the downsides"
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/6/18168793/samsungs-75-inch-microled-4k-tv-pitcure-quality-ces-2019
It happened with plasma, it is happening with OLED.
You’re obviously conflating different things. Is the consumer ‘complaining’ about the LCD display on the XR or are they not interested in upgrading because of market saturation? Those are two things that I think that you’re misconstruing. The problem with those were are not upgrading, is they either took it advantage of the battery replacement program and/or iOS 12 greatly helped performance in older phones.
I never once have come across any consumer or person that I know that complained about the XR display outside MacRumors. Again, I don’t think the average consumer even can differentiate the differences between LCD and OLED. So I think your point is moot.
If LCD screens are going to be phased out, this will be a concern for me in future purchase unless there a new alternative display. At this time, I had to at least find ways to adapt to OLED otherwise why would I spend a lot of money on a new phone that would be uncomfortable to look at.
Yeah but I would wager Apple’s LCDs are better than many Android OLEDs in nearly every way except sheer pixel resolution. When I have compared my XR next to two friend’s XS Max, looking at the same images, it is difficult to find major discrepancies. The difference aren’t as obvious as the spec sheets say unless you are watching a dark movie, and even then, it isn’t like the XR screen looks bad. I really believe the XR is the most underrated iPhone ever launched.
So apart from resolution and contrast there isn't much difference in the displays. Well, yeah.
The XR display isn't bad in some absolute sense, but neither is it worthy to be found in a phone costing $899 in 2019.
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So your point is essentially that uninformed consumers are falling for it. Well done Apple, I guess.
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No it isn't inevitable, or at least not to the extent of Apple OLEDs. Apple's flagship devices use OLED screens equivalent to those found in mid-tier phones for about $350.
Apple going OLED-only for iPhones is just a rumor, we’ll have to wait and see. Also, perhaps they’ll have a way to do an OLED that doesn’t use PWM or have its effects reduced (if that’s possible).
Then again, maybe their numbers tell them that only a small percentage of users have issues with PWM and they decided to go for it anyway. After all, all Samsung phones are OLED (Or at least the more expensive ones), all Pixels are OLED, etc. Of course, this sucks for people that have issues with headaches and I can only sympathize. For those people, I hope Apple comes out with a solution or an alternative.
Micro LEDs are still very far-off. Reducing them to a phone-sizes device will take quite some time. Based on what I’ve read from TV enthusiasts, we probably won’t even have commercially available Micro LED TVs in the next five years (yes, I know they had prototypes at CES this year, but they had OLED prototypes for five or six years before you could actually buy one at super-high prices) and it’s even harder to shrink them to mobile sizes. And even then, it’s one thing to produce them for TVs and a whole different thing to produce them at massive iPhone volumes.
They are the future, for sure, but we’ll wait a lot for them and people will want to replace their XRs before that happens, so, they are not a viable solution for this problem.
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Of course it was a cost-cutting measure, but, at the same time, it is a great display. I don’t know what are you getting at.
The difference is not that huge and some people even prefer XR screen. But, yes, it is most likely cheaper to produce, and there could be other factors as well.
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Every professional screen reviewer, like Displaymate or Anandtech, rated iPhone OLEDs as the top of the line, among the best on the market (if not the best). So, please, explain how they are equivalent to mid-tier phones for $350?
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Thanks for mentioning this. I now have extreme vision sensitivities after being rear-ended in an MVA. I can’t and won’t buy any phone using PWM.
Even if PWM only affects 10% of the population, this means it adversely affects ~30 million people in the US alone. How many more people are affected worldwide? How many sales is Apple willing to forfeit by using technology with PWM?
I am wonder about this too.
Nope. LCD will be around for a while. Apple wants to sell phones with a lower price tag and less tech.Good time to put LCD in the trash where it belongs.
@I7guy seems it’s the end of the road for LCD as I predicted last year
Micro-led is around the corner. Oled is to lcd as micro-led is to oled.
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Apple is invested into micro-led as well. Hopefully the upsides of oled without the downsides.modu
Samsung are really onto MicroLED now. Modular MicroLED Samsung TV's look amazing! Choose your own size. Even change it out at will
"Picture quality that rivals or beats OLED without any of the downsides"
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/6/18168793/samsungs-75-inch-microled-4k-tv-pitcure-quality-ces-2019
No, his point is that Apple haters on this forum like to over exaggerate or follow a false narrative just because they can’t stand Apple.
Since Apple is not having burn-in in apple watch and iphone bec of the OS...sure the macOS will adapt that, but in the other hand...the blue pixels die a lot faster, so i want microLED too, and until then LCD 120HZ into macs plz
I didn’t try to be honest, it seemed like too much hassle. Plus then I’d have to disable auto brightness and manually adjust things and it would feel like taking massive steps backwards.
My cheap works android phone doesn’t have auto brightness and it’s a pain in the arse trying to use that in various circumstances, upping and downing brightness constantly.
Not to mention the reduction of image quality when messing with adjusting white points etc.
To be honest it wasn’t until I stumbled upon that 99 page thread that I realised PWM was a thing and that it was causing my eye problems. The iPhone X is the first and only OLED screen that I’ve used so I didn’t click that it was the thing causing my eye and headaches, which some evenings were quite severe.
I really hope this is just a very bad rumour as the XR has been fantastic and my eyes are so much better for it.