yeah and what about the workers who don’t have a choice? If the apple store is open and employees forced to come into work where is their “freedom”?
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yeah and what about the workers who don’t have a choice? If the apple store is open and employees forced to come into work where is their “freedom”?
I've been treating COVID patients and even I think they blew their "best case scenarios" out of proportion a bit. Can't even tell you how many times I've heard my coworkers say the media needs to shut up. That being said though...this thing is still nasty and nothing to mess with. But the media does need to lay off the fear a bit.
I think it is GREAT news that Chicago is removing 2000 of the 3000 beds at the setup at McCormick Place. It's great that we don't need that much. As a healthcare worker...I found a huge sense of relief hearing that news.
But the general public will see it as straight proof of blowing things out of proportion.
You do realize that being under those models is a good thing. That's the purpose of the lockdown, so it doesn't reach those numbers.
I question the people who don't believe science experts and health professionals.
You are not the appointed representative of Apple Store employees and you have no idea whether they want to return to work or not. In any case, nobody will ever be forced to come into work in the United States of America for any job, so unless you intended your post to apply to a communist dictatorship such as North Korea, you have zero valid points.
Personally I am eager to get back to work and help to rebuild America. Speaking for MYSELF only, I do not claim to speak for Apple Store employees or anyone else.
I have to give credit to those who haven’t gone crazy being out of work this whole time. I’ve been out since Friday and I’m losing my sh*t already 😂 12 days to go!!!
Crazy that people don’t believe in the above. If you don’t, think it is time for you to move to Russia or China, as you obviously don’t believe in what our founding fathers fought for. I served in the Military and fought for freedom of choice, religion, etc.... For those of you don’t agree with any of that, please leave.
NZ, Taiwan and HK are all small countries with populations lower than a single US state. "Contact tracing teams trained and in place" on a scale of a US-sized country is a pipe dream. Completely unrealistic in a foreseeable future.
I will put this simply to you. Unless there is a miracle and a vaccine is available in less than a year time (basically not possible) - vast majority of us are going to get COVID. Millions of us had already had COVID and recovered without even knowing it. It's just the matter of when. What draconian shelter-in-place and extreme social distancing rules do is prevent us from quickly developing herd immunity, which is the ONLY practical way to stop the virus in the absence of the vaccine.
Yes we need to keep the number of new COVID cases under control, and at a level where our medical system can deal with treating the sick. But in the the long run - we are better off letting the virus burn through the healthy population and developing herd immunity. This is why extreme social distancing for an indefinite period of time is a wrong answer, both in terms of economic and long term health impact.
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Forget the media. Current death rates from this one virus are trending higher than the historical worst annual death rates from all flu strains combined despite unprecedented measures. And we haven’t even reached the end of year flu season yet.
From your prior posts I understand that preventable mass death is of no concern to you and possibly provides you some pleasure. But your bias towards outright dismissal, seemingly based on an anti-media knee-jerk instinct, is puzzling because you’ve actually quoted some facts. In any case you’re entitled to believe your position even if it is a false alternative to an original misrepresentation.
Your posts on covid are the nexus of narcissistic, uneducated, and one-dimensional thinking.
You're wrong. Actually, the % of the people that dies goes down. More and more studies are showing far more people have this than first thought. They will never get tested and count against the % that dies because they never needed to be tested to begin with. Every single study points to a .1 to .3% chance of dying. Hardly worth shutting anything down for. But feel free to hide in your safe space forever. Let the sane people get back to our lives.
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I'd say that no matter who has gotten or died from it. The people dying are already sick to the point of it not taking much to kill them. 95+% have at least one major preexisting condition. 85+% have 2 or more, with 3 being the median.
“Scam” was probably not the best word choice by the author of that post but the content was correct nonetheless. This virus is real. It has a lethality somewhere around that of the flu. The signature feature being that it spreads very effectively exactly because it often has mild to no symptoms. People that died from it were unfortunately always going to. Lockdown, social distancing, and other isolation measures were never intended to prevent those losses.
No you’re not right. The science is pretty clear that social distancing reduces transmission you can pretend this is all made up if you want but that’s all you’re doing. Less contact equals less transmission, if you’re at home you can’t catch it.
So how does the community develop ‘herd immunity’ if everyone is isolated from the virus for a long period of time. One’s body has to become infected in order for the immune system to respond. With all this lockdown and social distancing we’ll all still be sitting ducks for the virus. It’s not going to just fade away. This would imply that lockdowns and social distancing must continue indefinitely until a vaccine is found. Society simply can’t function in that state and the population will not stand for it.
They are perfectly free to find other work. Apple cannot force them to come into work. It’s their choice, their job or their feeling of safety. They are free to remain in their homes and hope the government will feed them and pay their rent.
There’s as of yet no evidence that herd immunity even works for this virus. (For example, how far does herd immunity get you with the common cold?)
Surely the concern is the second wave then overwhelming the health care system. How do you ensure that doesn’t happen?
Good question. Data shows the vast majority of people are not at significant risk and would not contribute greatly to heathcare system burden. People that feel they are at risk should stay home. The current methodology is also not sustainable.
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Again, common cold mutates quickly. CV19 does not.
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Social distancing reduces the rate but the virus will still be present somewhere in your life. It might be on that banana you are eating or in the letter you just got in the mail or in the dirt your dog just licked on your face. Unless you live on a private island in complete isolation, the virus has a chance to infect.
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Second wave is the panic the media is pushing as the numbers drop. It's the same with droughts. No matter how many years we have record rainfall, how full the reservoirs are, how many feet of snowpack we have, we are 'never out of the woods'. Living a fear based life is a miserable choice.
We don’t know the mutation rate. And, in any event, for a given strain, common cold confers 6 months immunity vs. 2 years for a flu virus. We don’t know whether someone who has had CV19 has *any* immunity yet.
There’s no evidence yet to say heard immunity is even possible with this thing. NZ have managed to eradicate the disease from their shores with a mega lockdown. Now with sealed borders and increased testing for the citizens allowed back in they can in theory effectively keep it that way and have a fairly normal lifestyle going forward.
Nobody is claiming social distancing eliminates the risk so no idea why you felt the need to quote this at me.
I think you will find the media are reporting what epidemiologists are saying about a second wave. Are you an epidemiologist that is countering the opinions of pretty much all your peers? If so I would love to read the paper you’ve presumably written on the subject.
Ah, the appeal to authority approach? I prefer to rely on evidence and logic.
Anyways, as I said before, yes there will be a second wave. There always will be a second wave. I rather it occur during the summer (when the dry hot air and long days kill the virus) than pushing it back until winter (when people are even more trapped with nothing to do and nowhere to go and the cold air/ice will keep the virus nice and viable).
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What are you trying to argue? I am not disagreeing that there will be a second wave. Stretch this out long enough and we’ll have a third wave if it mutates. Is it in regards to immunity? Studies seem to have reached a consensus that CV19 does not mutate quickly, ergo herd based immunity is possible.
As for “authority”, I am a doctor and have taught at both Harvard Medical School and Oxford but more about the brain and not so much the bugs.
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We do know about previous strains of corona viruses - immunity is real and it lasts as long as 2 years. Of course COVID-19 hasn’t yet been around long enough to definitively say now immunity behaves long term. But it’s not likely to be different from other known corona viruses.
Can you think of a downside to always being indoors? I’m talking about the longer term...you can’t hide inside forever and there are negatives to that both medically and economically.
Further, you can’t calculate the impact of mandating staying home with any precision. It may have helped transmission 10% or 50% or 5% or 105%. It also had many downsides which could ultimately impact lives.
However, what we are discussing isn’t the short term distancing but if it makes sense to continue it over a longer term.
My contention was that you don’t get to claim credit for saving lives based on a fake model that predicted 2.2M deaths in America and you certainly don’t get to completely credit the estimated lives saved to quarantine alone.
Quarantines, particularly long ones, also have many negative effects, which are much harder to measure but are also very real.
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Accurate assessment. The media has been incredibly bad for this entire process and now it’s that much harder to change sentiment because many have been brainwashed.
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Health professionals aren’t good modelers, evidentlybecause the 2.2M American deaths was INCREDIBLY STUPID and based on a linear application of early numbers.
Health professionals shouldn’t make policy either because they aren’t thinking big picture. All they think about is saving every life, which is fine and their job, but is not how anything works. If we wanted to save every life, we would never fly in planes or drive cars or take any risk for greater benefit.
I love and respect our health professionals, but they aren’t good at modeling and really no one is for this type of thing. WAY too many variables, so any modeling should be prefaced as a guess and not credible. We can’t base policy off modeling that I said from the beginning was garbage.
I manage a team that does modeling at a Fortune 10 company. We all said it was stupid from the start. We made a huge mistake publishing it.
So quarantine didn’t save 2.2M lives...don’t believe it. 2.2M Americans were NEVER going to die from this. That was either published for political or agenda driven reasons...not in the interest of protecting anyone.
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