Apple Expects Appeal of Irish Tax Ruling to Take 'Several Years' With No Impact on Near-Term Financial Results

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    Following the European Commission's ruling that Apple received illegal state aid from Ireland, and must pay $14.5 billion in back taxes to the country, the company has published a new FAQ that addresses potential concerns investors may have about the decision and the effect on its bottom line.


    Apple started out by confirming the decision is not final and that it plans to appeal. The company is "confident" the ruling "will be overturned" by courts in the European Union, but it notes the process is "likely to take several years." In the meantime, Apple does not expect any near-term impact on its financial results.
    Apple added that it does not currently expect the decision to have an impact on its tax rate or cash balance going forward, but the company anticipates it will place an unspecified amount of cash in an escrow account. Apple expects the amount will be reported as restricted cash on its balance sheet.

    The European Commission's ruling followed a three-year inquiry into Apple's tax arrangements in Ireland, where it paid between 0.005% and 1% in taxes from 2003 through 2014, compared to the country's headline 12.5% corporate tax rate. Apple insists it "follows the law and pays all of the taxes" it owes.

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  2. SandboxGeneral Moderator emeritus


    Sep 8, 2010
    "Several years" is kind of what I would have expected given the magnitude of the case.
  3. sshambles macrumors 6502a


    Oct 19, 2005
    Just curious... how much cash do they have stored in the bank again?
  4. TechZeke macrumors 68020


    Jul 29, 2012
    Rialto, CA
    They'll honestly make that money back by that time if they actually have to pay. :p
  5. Joe Rossignol Editor

    Joe Rossignol

    Staff Member

    May 12, 2012
    Apple held $231.5 billion in cash and marketable securities, partially offset by $68.9 billion in long-term debt, as of its Q3 2016 results reported on July 26.
  6. WiiDSmoker macrumors 65816


    Sep 15, 2009
    Hermitage, TN
  7. tentales macrumors 6502a


    Dec 6, 2010
    Let's put it this way, the tax demand is about 6% of their cash on hand. But they'll fight it tooth and nail for years, even if they'll have to spend those 6% on tax attorney fees.
  8. thermodynamic Suspended


    May 3, 2009
    $14.5 million less if they didn't cheat?

    But Apple seems confident. Is this because government bureaucracy is slow compared to Apple's own bureaucracy and lobbying for more special snowflake treatment?
    (and we all know how well the NFL is loved right now for its tax exempt status while demanding taxpayers pay for their snowflakey stadiums to take sole profit from, too!)

    --- Post Merged, Aug 30, 2016 ---
    It'd be nice if we could pay the same tax rate, at least until whining about infrastructure and other things going under... Well, unlike the rest of us, Apple wholly deserves its 0.005% rate.
  9. jonnysods macrumors 603


    Sep 20, 2006
    There & Back Again
    They will just drag this thing out for years. File the paperwork on the last day etc. There are loads of tactics to avoid this for a long time.
  10. sofila macrumors 6502a


    Jan 19, 2006
    Ramtop Mountains
    "We'll update the MacPro first". A couple of decades in safe mode
  11. apolloa macrumors G4

    Oct 21, 2008
    Time, because it rules EVERYTHING!
    As I understand the money will have to be collected soon, along its interest which makes it a lot more, and then it sits in a fund that cannot be touched by Apple it Ireland or anyone else whilst they go through the appeals process.

    Personally I think Apple firstly being almost fraudulent in its tax payments dodging, and then posting a letter to Europe claiming they are innocent and Ireland was nothing till they showed up, will have lost them some sales.
    We shall see though. You don't bite the hand the feeds you which is EXACTLY what Tim Cook has done today by threatening any further EU investment now because of their tax dodging being exposed. That arrogant American attitude doesn't win over European consumers Tim.
  12. MacLawyer, Aug 30, 2016
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    MacLawyer macrumors demi-god


    Aug 1, 2009
    I don't understand EU tax law. It seems Ireland's own laws say what Apple is doing is legal.
  13. GigabitEthernet macrumors 6502a

    Jun 21, 2013
    United Kingdom
    Says Ireland used for research and distribution, yet no value is created there.

    Yes Apple, logic :rolleyes:
  14. cube macrumors P6

    May 10, 2004
    It's like federal law trumping state law in the US.
  15. centauratlas macrumors 6502a


    Jan 29, 2003
    Gotta love how Tim Cook advocates for big, authoritarian-style government yet doesn't put his (shareholder's) money where his mouth is.

    Alternatively, perhaps the authoritarians in the EU should become competitive in terms of tax policy instead of using corporations to stealthily raise taxes on the citizens of the EU. Of course, all the people saying, "yeah, sock it too Apple" seem not to realize, they are really saying, "yeah, sock it to everyone buying Apple products - particularly the poor who will pay a much larger percent of their income for these extra taxes. Or not be able to buy the latest tech."

    It is odd how all the supposed champions of the little guy want them to pay more taxes or have to forgo the newest tech. Do they really just want to keep the poor from having the latest tech and the ability to compete with the elites? Perhaps it serves their interests to keep the poor, well, poor.

    Talk about forcing Ireland to change their law after the fact. Ex post facto.
  16. iMi macrumors 65816


    Sep 13, 2014
    More than the U.S. Treasure has on hand at any given moment.
  17. Mr. Dee macrumors 68000

    Mr. Dee

    Dec 4, 2003
    If Apple had given me all the billions for safe keeping, I would have only used $14,500 out of it.
  18. emm386 macrumors 6502


    Feb 5, 2016
    Rich peoples' problems I wish I had...o_O

    And looking at Apple's excess spare cash, long-term investors should be more worried about that "innovative pipeline" Tim Cook sometimes refers to...
  19. twietee macrumors 603


    Jan 24, 2012
    I doubt the average Apple consumer [in Europe at least] knows who Tim Cook is. I 100% applaud the action but I wouldn't say that it has any impact whether my new laptop is made by Apple or not, for example.

    Starbucks? Now that bullet ismore easy to dodge! :D
  20. burgman macrumors 68000


    Sep 24, 2013
    Scoundrels lobby for favorable laws then hide behind "We followed the law" Piss on you Apple.
  21. cube macrumors P6

    May 10, 2004
    The EU just gave 4 months to recover aid to 4 soccer clubs in Spain.
  22. draugminaion macrumors regular


    May 12, 2014
    It's not EU tax law, it's EU competition law.
    EU competition law forbids special deals that amount to state aid to companies.
    The state aid happened to have taken the form of reduced taxes.
  23. dogslobber macrumors 68040


    Oct 19, 2014
    Apple Campus, Cupertino CA
    Often companies need to pay the fine first before an appeal is allowed. This prevents the interest being backdated, which would add a few billions euros if an appeal were to take years. So even the article intro paragraph is likely wrong.
  24. ka-spot macrumors 6502a

    May 23, 2012
    Sofia, Bulgaria

    so now they need money - release the new Macbook Pro's ;)
  25. jjhny macrumors regular


    Sep 16, 2005
    Maybe Tim should update the computer products with that money? He could write it off as a R&D expense. Maybe we could have Macs with technology that is at least current (never mind the premium we pay on top of that because it's Apple made).

    Also, no small business gets that benefit, we all are taxed at 35% on profit and also get eaten alive by incredible amounts of paperwork, record keeping, etc. I have zero sympathy. And what is also this social responsibility nonsense Tim is always spouting? I'd rather he just put faster chips in his machines that blathering on all the time - while paying himself 100 million in stock options.

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