hmm i'm in 2 minds about this.. if they make it secure enough then i'm all for it, but if they don't...
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Apple Experimenting With RFID-Enabled iPhone Prototypes?
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Wake Up!!
Some of the people on here need to go and research RFID chips and then wake up - I think we need to do everything we can to stop this technology - Its basically like having a global tracking chip on you - I already have one in my new passport!! - and the implications of allowing this to flourish?.....well our children will not thank us for it. All these little stepping stones that you see with this technology will lead to a complacency, which in turn will lead to us implanting these things in our damn necks or something!!! Always ask why before saying BUY!!
Peace
Some of the people on here need to go and research RFID chips and then wake up - I think we need to do everything we can to stop this technology - Its basically like having a global tracking chip on you - I already have one in my new passport!! - and the implications of allowing this to flourish?.....well our children will not thank us for it. All these little stepping stones that you see with this technology will lead to a complacency, which in turn will lead to us implanting these things in our damn necks or something!!! Always ask why before saying BUY!!
Peace
Some of the people on here need to go and research RFID chips and then wake up - I think we need to do everything we can to stop this technology - Its basically like having a global tracking chip on you - I already have one in my new passport!! - and the implications of allowing this to flourish?.....well our children will not thank us for it. All these little stepping stones that you see with this technology will lead to a complacency, which in turn will lead to us implanting these things in our damn necks or something!!! Always ask why before saying BUY!!
Peace
I seriously hope you're joking. A global tracking chip? My god, sounds almost as big of a tracking beacon as as as... A CELL PHONE. Except, ya know, with a range of a couple of feet.
Seriously. Do your research before you go fearmongering with your conspiracy theories. You sound like an idiot.
Er, your do your research IDIOT!! - A RFID chip can be tracked globally!!!
I will wait for your apology!!
And the point of a passport is supposed to be Border control - Not to be tracked!! But now we might all be suspect terrorists - We have to be tracked.
You make no sense. Passports are so that the country you visit can track you.
RFID can only be tracked for yards. Your cellphone is far easier to track.
As long as your fear of science and technology are leading you to conspiracy theories, at least worry about the right thing
You'll be waiting a long time, because it's not coming. Put down the bong, sir.
Come on man, not all of us bong enthusiasts are conspiracy nuts.
As for the RFID as a tracking system, I take it none of you guys have cell phones or computers right? Wait, then how are you guys posting on here? Oh right.....
Its called critical thinking, try it out sometime
Oh, certainly not. Some of my best friends are, but as a former bong-enthusiast, I can indeed state quite certainly that it can make some... let's say, a bit gullible.
Some of the people on here need to go and research RFID chips and then wake up - I think we need to do everything we can to stop this technology - Its basically like having a global tracking chip on you - I already have one in my new passport!! - and the implications of allowing this to flourish?.....well our children will not thank us for it. All these little stepping stones that you see with this technology will lead to a complacency, which in turn will lead to us implanting these things in our damn necks or something!!! Always ask why before saying BUY!!
Peace
we are already there, GPS is a demand, look at the supporters of this technology, its a selling point. Reading a map has become so difficult that it is easier to buy a piece of equipment and a contract for several hundred dollars. Or so they say.
It ultimately is a matter of when this will happen. Businesses and profiteers, make the technology profitable, which they have. All that's left is to expand it, the growth potential is enormous, the only hurdle is convincing the public to foot the bill. Hence the enhancement.
All that can be done is to explain the gross potential for misuse to the uninformed, and let them decide for themselves, if they are willing to trade their anonimity for convienence.
It is much the same way many things are passed through pitchmen.
if the sales pitch is good enough, many people will quite literally buy anything.
Their are roadways in europe quite literally built thousands of years ago still in use.
The notion that technology will somehow preserve, or be preserved for only good and pure usage, is well naive. Sure some of it will be used by law enforcement, but the sheer number of surveillance devices, and listening devices used for recording , that get invariably used for less than upstanding purposes is , indisputable.
RFID is but one of MANY technologies, that has huge potential for misappropriation.
Like many have stated tracking devices are now voluntarily implanted into people.
How many more years will it be before it is a requirement?
This sort of thing is heavily lobbied, just imagine the profits, if it becomes mandatory.
Does anyone really doubt this will happen, especially since their are huge amounts of money to be made from it?
You can call it conspiracy, or paranoia if you want, but it is coming, because it is a guaranteed profit.
I personally want nothing to do with it, it makes me feel dirty. But their are a great deal more out there who can see nothing more than the income it will garner them once they lobby to have the technology incorporated into all aspects of our lives. Big business, and government, they are commonly perceived as separate entities, but if you really look at how they function, and how they scratch each others backs, are they really all that separate and distinct?
Food for thought
No, it's not food for thought. We are in an era of Luddites who hear anecdotes of corporate abuse of technology or government oppression and fail to see that science and technology are not inherently moral or immoral, but are necessary pursuits which will inevitably improve our lives.
The same distrust of science leads to intelligent design, failure to innoculate infants, disbelief in global warming, belief that AIDS isn't caused by HIV, and belief in echinacea as a cure for colds.
Tie it together with the young generation believing that their opinion is just as valid as anyone else's (despite the idea that they have no idea what they're talking about), and here we are.
Michael Specter wrote a whole book on this sort of thought process.
The same distrust of science leads to intelligent design, failure to innoculate infants, disbelief in global warming, belief that AIDS isn't caused by HIV, and belief in echinacea as a cure for colds.
Tie it together with the young generation believing that their opinion is just as valid as anyone else's (despite the idea that they have no idea what they're talking about), and here we are.
Michael Specter wrote a whole book on this sort of thought process.
so you refute misuse of science by citing misuse of understanding
I never said it was all bad, I said that their is little to no restraint, and that sooner or later someone is going to do something bad with it.
take global warming for example, you cited it, yet it is our love of bigger and better things, and science that has brought it about. smog induced medical ailments. the list goes on.
the notion that science will somehow save us from the havoc wrought by science, is naive at best, if science were in fact so concerned with its consequences, then many of the modern worlds problems would not exist, but they do. plastic islands, acid rain.
You can badmouth people who warn you to pay more attention to the long term effects, of scientific "blessings"
or you can be honest and realize that people, scientist, and luddite, or any group of people make mistakes, and prejudge others often badmouthing them with slanderous accusations based not on fact, or historical evidence, but rather to crush opposition the easiest way they know how.
As for thought processes, again I have said nothing ill of you, yet you insult me numerous times in your post, claiming to know my thoughts, and how they will turn out.
I cited history, and human nature, we always seek out the "best" hence the militarys complete dismissal, of the sword, and crossbow, in favour of modern projectile weapons.
again all I ask is for folks to look at the big picture, and think about these things.
Apple may be a "green" company, but the problem is that they like virtually all other companies, have had to become green, by not considering the long term impact of their business models,
Need we point out any of the wildly erroneous assertions of "science" over the centuries?
Humans are flawed, have flawed understanding, and will make flawed arguments, regardless of which side of any fence they reside. Raising "science" as one's banner does not assure victory in any debate.
People don't distrust "science" per se - they distrust our current understanding of it (because it is guaranteed to change).
Need we point out any of the wildly erroneous assertions of "science" over the centuries?
Humans are flawed, have flawed understanding, and will make flawed arguments, regardless of which side of any fence they reside. Raising "science" as one's banner does not assure victory in any debate.
People don't distrust "science" per se - they distrust our current understanding of it (because it is guaranteed to change).
People distrust "science," i.e.: the scientific method. Science is great because, in the face of new evidence, it changes. But people who believe in things based on personal anecdotes rather than testable experiment and observation are the people who think RFID can be "tracked globally" instead of for a few yards, and who believe their cellphones cannot be tracked globally. And no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise.
And that's also the thing about science that earns people's distrust. "Red wine is good for you!" "Now red wine is bad for you!" "Wait, red wine is good for you again!" It never ends, and the constant shifts over time assure an instinctive eye roll from the layman.
Me, I trust neither personal anecdotes nor science.
You claim "people" believe in things based on personal anecdotes , rather than testifyable experiment ,and observation, yet you appear to deny the fact that scientist are people too, and that they , being people are capable, and in many cases willing to distort, and manipulate, facts, to serve them and their goals. I am not saying that all are that way, but that the belief that science is somehow immune from the potential of corruption, is a frankly very dangerous notion, because their are people who have been harmed, and even killed, based upon the "best evidence" available. And unfortunately science is not a panacea, and in many cases it is the actual cause of several of our worlds problems. Or more accurately its quick result allure, and use without the use of wisdom and forethought has been. As for global tracking , you just summed it up, cell phones are capable of being tracked, virtually globally, RFID is really only limited by the implementation of the technology . Are you prepared to have it installed in your automobile, and prepared to be fined, if you exceed the speed limit, or don't stop at the stop light "fast enough" Even though their is no standard on how quickly a light changes from green to red?
thats just one potential use of the technology. It is like the growing number of private photographs that have made their way on to the Internet, many of which are from camera phones, used to take less than altruistic photos of people. Somehow I doubt that those who proposed cell phone cameras, thought they would end up being used in that manner, yet the problem increases daily.
Can we do fill in the blank sure the potential is there, but the real question that science seems to be increasingly divorcing itself from, annulling, might be even more appropriate, is should we do it.
Or... we can use RFID for much simpler and nicer purposes.
Imagine if you microtagged all your keys, wallet, shoes, belts, and everything else you lose all the time.
"Need to find your lost socks? There's an app for that!"
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One of my favorite RFID uses is to clip documents with tagged paper clips. Need to know where that information on your law or business case #1130 is? Just ask the building RFID scanners to locate that paperclipped package.
Imagine if you microtagged all your keys, wallet, shoes, belts, and everything else you lose all the time.
"Need to find your lost socks? There's an app for that!"
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One of my favorite RFID uses is to clip documents with tagged paper clips. Need to know where that information on your law or business case #1130 is? Just ask the building RFID scanners to locate that paperclipped package.
...I trust neither personal anecdotes nor science.
But who then do you trust? It's simplistic and meaningless to say, "myself".
So, do we say, "well, last time i thought i was getting a cold I spun around three times with my index finger on the top of my head (substitute any anecdotal treatment) and I never got the cold, so that works, and i'm going to rely on it instead of medicine and i'm going to recommend it to others and I'm going to impose it on my kids. OR, might we think, hmmm, the spinning-with-finger coincided last time with my not getting a cold: It MIGHT be a treatment, or it might have been coincidence; I need to try it again and again, and talk to lots of others to see if it works for them, before i can even begin to draw a conclusion.
The first example suggests someone with a disregard (or lack of trust) for science. The second example shows one who understands the scientific method. Who's better served?
Or approach the issue from the other extreme: Someone feels a cold coming on, and goes to the doctor for advice. They can do what's recommended while realizing that future research might show the recommended treatment has little effect, or is replaced by a more effective treatment--or even proves to have side effects worse than the treatment. THAT, like the second scenario above, reflects an understanding of the scientific method. The person with this understanding and attitude might decide to follow the doctor's recommendations, or to look for alternatives, or to do nothing. I'd argue the person in that scenario is better able to take care of their health than the person in the initial example, who sees an anecdotal result and doesn't realize why there may be no rational foundation for drawing conclusions from it.
Science says that on 911 the WTC towers and building 7 were brought down by controlled demolition with nano thermite = inside job. That's a fact and anyone with open eyes and common sense can even see that, when you watch those buildings coming down. Now there's food for thought. Some things in this world are not "conspiracy theory", but a reality. So wake up mindless sheeps!
RFID chips planted inside everyones skins is the end of freedom and the beginning of global slavery. And this new idea seems like another totalitarian tiptoe towards that. If Apple is going along with this New World Order agenda, I for one won't be buying their NWO iPhone! Don't let us down Apple!
RFID chips planted inside everyones skins is the end of freedom and the beginning of global slavery. And this new idea seems like another totalitarian tiptoe towards that. If Apple is going along with this New World Order agenda, I for one won't be buying their NWO iPhone! Don't let us down Apple!
Paranoid much? Clearly not an engineer or scientist. My father was at 7 WTC and saw the planes hit. Go sell your wackjob theories someplace else.