Well I'm sure if Apple would put something like an RFID in an iPhone they would surely make it safe..
..Wouldn't they?!
..Wouldn't they?!
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Apple Experimenting With RFID-Enabled iPhone Prototypes?
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Well, the thing is, it's not like the iPhone would be able to emulate numerous RFID tags simultaneously and in the background. You'd probably need to be running the app, and have the key selected. The bonus for this, however, is that you have a backup of your various "keys", on your phone. I have an RFID tag to get into my apt building, my wife has one too, and one for work, and we each have one for the Metro. If I accidentally lost my keys, at least I'd be able to get in the building, or if I lost my wallet, I could get home.
This won't replace these things, not yet, but it might be a useful backup. It'd also be good for my friends to be able to copy my "key" and get into my building without the rigamarole of calling, etc.
This won't replace these things, not yet, but it might be a useful backup. It'd also be good for my friends to be able to copy my "key" and get into my building without the rigamarole of calling, etc.
Don't you guys already have such an agency?!? NSA... Not governed by actual law but an presidental mandate. I thought echelon was monitoring lot more then 350 milj people. LOL
Regarding advertising JCDecaux has done tests with RFID chips and I would be very surpriced if Clear Channel hasn't done the same.
If you believe that I have some land in Florida to sell you.
It's not on my old phone, so lemme do some quick math...nope, not kidding.
It's smarmy comments from people like you that make me wish you hadn't interrupted your marathon WOW session to take the time to post it.
Ooooooo, ooooo, I have an idea. This would prevent any retail theft thereby reducing the cost of most all products since billions are lost annually due to theft. Okay, ready for this? Implant the chip into everyones head, have scanners at all store entrances and exits. When exiting the store, scan the item(s), transmit the information to the chip which automatically bills your credit card. No credit card? Then debits your checking account. No way of paying? Chip melts, solving all retail theft problems
. Of course, I'M JOKING! Considering some of the responses on this thread there may be those who believe it. However, what are the possibilities?
. Of course, I'M JOKING! Considering some of the responses on this thread there may be those who believe it. However, what are the possibilities?
You realize that RFID is an umbrella term right? We don't even know the specifics of what kind of tech they'd be using.
Indeed!
If you don't like RFID - you can put a shield around your RFID tag. This is quite simple to do and could make the RFID tag "invisible" until the end user wants to expose it for something they want - like pay for parking or get a Pepsi from a machine, or movie ticket etc etc.
Hey most of these guys probably already wear tinfoil hats already right? And I'll bet most of these folks are also the same ones who want to protect their precious iPhone from scratches, so they use an iPhone case already. Well it would not take much to put shielding right into an iPhone case.
Hey - for those paranoid one's out there - you all got your bluetooth on? If you leave it on and you walk by my friends door, he has your MAC ID logged right now! In this way my friend tracks the mailman, and can be sure that it's not a burglar. (together with his home automation hobby system) If it IS a burglar, and the burglar leaves his Bluetooth on, he has that MAC ID too!
Oooooh scary -
I can see this as a good thing providing the security is increased on it which is lets face it pretty bad.
As it stands currently when we go out in public we all carry 3 objects with us.
1. Wallet
2. Keys
3. Cell phone.
Over time I see the Cell phone starting to replace Wallet and Keys. with just a cell phone we will be able to open lock doors as we currently do with RFID cards, unlock and start our cars as this tech is already starting to get into cars with push button start. No more messing with keys to get in and out of your car.
Many credit cards use RFID tech. I find it really convent but the security on it is largely lacking and it is way to easy to steal the info.
Hell people say go cash only but in todays world we are becoming very quickly a cashless society. Most everything we buy any more is with plasic. It used to be $100 cash would be spent in a week or 2. Same person will now go weeks with maybe just a 20 in there pocket. I know I will go months with just $40 bucks before I even need to get more cash. Before I lost my job I was going months between getting more cash and that was with a monthly expenses of 1500-2000.
As it stands currently when we go out in public we all carry 3 objects with us.
1. Wallet
2. Keys
3. Cell phone.
Over time I see the Cell phone starting to replace Wallet and Keys. with just a cell phone we will be able to open lock doors as we currently do with RFID cards, unlock and start our cars as this tech is already starting to get into cars with push button start. No more messing with keys to get in and out of your car.
Many credit cards use RFID tech. I find it really convent but the security on it is largely lacking and it is way to easy to steal the info.
Hell people say go cash only but in todays world we are becoming very quickly a cashless society. Most everything we buy any more is with plasic. It used to be $100 cash would be spent in a week or 2. Same person will now go weeks with maybe just a 20 in there pocket. I know I will go months with just $40 bucks before I even need to get more cash. Before I lost my job I was going months between getting more cash and that was with a monthly expenses of 1500-2000.
First, I think that mentality shows a clear misunderstanding of why upholding civil liberties and civil rights is important. It's more than an individual issue. Just because you aren't subversive in any way, doesn't mean you have the right to jeopardize the rights of those who are.
Second, this isn't paranoia. It's legitimate concern, and if that's 'unreasonable' by todays standards, then I've completely underestimated the urge in our culture to move along without questioning anything.
Oh, are you a government employee? It doesn't take a vast amount of people... just ONE! You trying to tell me that it takes a VAST amount of people to do a paper trail of a fraud suspect? No, just one cop man...
I wouldn't argue your comment about 10 years ago but just look @ the triangulation of cell towers for approximate positioning... if you have a cell phone and made a call around the time of the crime and were in the vicinity and there was a witness to your presence... your done!
Since 911 they have tons of measures and resources that they can exploit...
How do you think these people get caught? This world is more connected now than ever in history and YES... they CAN AND WILL TRACK YOU IF THEY WANT TO!
But you know this... you work on the inside he he...
Guys, seriously....
RFID isn't as great a risk as you think. When you get down to it, NOTHING is secure. If someone wants your credit card number, they can get it at the gas pump or from a delivery receipt where the rub the number. If they want your house key, they can take a photo or a rubbing when you give the valet your keys. If they want access to your garage, they can record the radio signal key, same for your car/alarm. Even if you have fingerprint ID security, that can be easily circumvented JUST BY OBTAINING YOUR FINGERPRINT. The point is, NOTHING is secure, and if you're really worried, get a dog that weighs 50 lbs or more, that's the single best thing you can do to be safe. If you're concerned about RFID and you already have a cell-phone, then you're just an IDIOT.
As has already been stated, you can easily shield RFID. I don't think I've seen anyone mention this, but it's (the passive systems, like credit cards, passports etc) EXTREMELY short range. Keeping your "keys" on your phone would be EXCELLENT because you could turn them off without keeping your wallet in a brass-mesh bag.
RFID isn't as great a risk as you think. When you get down to it, NOTHING is secure. If someone wants your credit card number, they can get it at the gas pump or from a delivery receipt where the rub the number. If they want your house key, they can take a photo or a rubbing when you give the valet your keys. If they want access to your garage, they can record the radio signal key, same for your car/alarm. Even if you have fingerprint ID security, that can be easily circumvented JUST BY OBTAINING YOUR FINGERPRINT. The point is, NOTHING is secure, and if you're really worried, get a dog that weighs 50 lbs or more, that's the single best thing you can do to be safe. If you're concerned about RFID and you already have a cell-phone, then you're just an IDIOT.
As has already been stated, you can easily shield RFID. I don't think I've seen anyone mention this, but it's (the passive systems, like credit cards, passports etc) EXTREMELY short range. Keeping your "keys" on your phone would be EXCELLENT because you could turn them off without keeping your wallet in a brass-mesh bag.
I was merely pointing out that RFID isn't new technology - putting it on a phone doesn't change that.
Fair enough ... save for the elderly. Picking on the elderly is not cool (I kid) they'll be slow no matter what. I'll argue that I rather risk dropping a SIM card than my, or your, iPhone. Sorry I wan't clear about using SIM card ... I was referring to that SIM card chip now in MasterCards and soon on Visa's (is this still in pilot?) where you can wave it above a proximity sensor. Also you can always leave this card out on the dashboard or center cubby compartment for quick retrieval. Would your iPhone not be plugged into cigarette lighter &/ charger connector to the car stereo anyway?
I'm worried about security. If my phone is stolen - it'll still take me time to get to a pc/internet device to remote wipe/lock the phone. If remote lock/wipe would disable this RFID's tech from being used to debit my bank account then cool.
Apple would try to make it safe, but when the prize is so rich as personal CC data and the like, it gives a hell of an incentive for bad guys to circumvent it. There is that grey zone between easy enough for intended sources to access and unintended sources not to access that will be taken advantage of.
I agree! Better video!
A high def camera with a manual focus and zoom would make me happier. Why do we need an easier way to spend money? I like the idea that if I don't have enough change to buy a ticket on the train, that I can get away with a little slide by and get home! Oh and have my iPhone at the same time! I know my arguement involves an example of a crime, but all im saying is that it still is nice mentally to think that I have options durring a tough time. As much as it is annoying to use, I like cash. Mainly because I have to restrict myself from the conveience of cards. It's so easy! I still have money if I have a card in my hand!! . But a phone I can buy stuff with would make me need to go to a AA for debt. Wait... Is there such a thing?
Anyway. My vote is no apple. Don't do it! And being a share holder I have a vote right!?
A high def camera with a manual focus and zoom would make me happier. Why do we need an easier way to spend money? I like the idea that if I don't have enough change to buy a ticket on the train, that I can get away with a little slide by and get home! Oh and have my iPhone at the same time! I know my arguement involves an example of a crime, but all im saying is that it still is nice mentally to think that I have options durring a tough time. As much as it is annoying to use, I like cash
. Mainly because I have to restrict myself from the conveience of cards. It's so easy! I still have money if I have a card in my hand!! . But a phone I can buy stuff with would make me need to go to a AA for debt. Wait... Is there such a thing?Anyway. My vote is no apple. Don't do it! And being a share holder I have a vote right!?
I for one would love to see something like this in the phone.....I can see some pretty cool things coming from this.