Well single request shouldn't be huge, but they'll add up I am sure.
I am more interested to know how big the models are in storage? Stable diffusion for example is 8gb... but thats general purpose.
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Well single request shouldn't be huge, but they'll add up I am sure.
I am more interested to know how big the models are in storage? Stable diffusion for example is 8gb... but thats general purpose.
If you use online banking or any other service… you’re using something not too dissimilar than the “cloud”. Almost everything we do is off device… very little is kept on device. And it doesn’t always mean it more secure.
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Then it would not be run locally, no privacy. This would also be needed to be updated constantly with your messages and other data to be sent to that cloud.
Just because YOU don't use a thing doesn't mean others won't daily. I am using freeform a lot and I bet 95% users don't even know it exists. I know loads of people use stocks by the minute... I never use it.
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Banks I can't help, but I don't use generative AI in any fashion. I don't store files, backups, photos, contacts or messages in the cloud.
I just bought an IPhone 15 for my 10 year old daughter as I thought it would run future AI no problem just before keynote !!!!… I am still a bit bitter on my iPhone 13 Pro who is a very capable machine … Wait a little and see if Harry Potter comes on board at Apple and make it work for us by magic and because we will send our disappointment over to Apple … won’t be the first time …
frozencarbonite
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Haha. They can make their excuses all they want. We all know the reason why. 💵💵💵
Consumers are catching on real quick with that Apple does. And it’s showing in their sales across the board.
I mean they expect everyone in America to have a Vision Pro.
People are holding onto their devices longer.
I have the newest iPhone in my household. A 14PM.
My wife said the same exact thing I was thinking when I bought this phone.
Surly it’s a different phone, it looks exactly like the same thing over and over again, SURLY it does things different.
Not really. It does have this giant tumor of an area where the screen has been excised. So there is that.
We’ve stared moving away from Apple products. When my wives $3500 M2 Studio had to have its mainboard replaced twice in six months she made me builder her a PC.
And she is as happy as a school girl.
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You're clueless. Be angry that they didn't put 8GB RAM on A-chips earlier though.
Yes? That's the point of a company. Make up something (a computer, a phone, a TV service, a robotic cow, a car) so you buy their products or services.
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Abazigal
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The answer is very likely somewhere in the middle.
Right away, I think the mostly likely reason for limiting Apple Intelligence (which I will henceforth refer to as AI) to the latest iPhones is scale. It would simply be too prohibitively expensive to build up the server capacity to support 1 billion iOS devices on day 1. So how do you decide which devices to cut off? You target your latest devices that may just be able to support it, build for it, and move forward. And for the older devices that don't get it, they just don't.
It would explain why AI is opt-in at first, limited to US with the features slowly rolling out over the course of the next 12 months.
Second, I suppose it is not impossible that with sufficient engineering resources, AI could be designed to work on older iPhones, just like stage manager eventually came to the 2018 iPad Pro. The question then comes down to "should" vs "could". As it is, I am already dubious about the ability of AI to run properly on M1 chips (which have weaker neural engines). In doing so, Apple would only be introducing additional complexity in forking their code, they are arguably trying to catch up with the competition and racing against time to get it out the window, and for what? To avoid bad PR which will just go away naturally over time as users upgrade their devices? In the long run, it hardly seems worth it.
If I were Apple, I would just eat the criticism and move on.
And third, well, it's good for business when people do upgrade their phones, but I really do not think this was the main consideration. It really comes down to Apple facing these constraints at hand (eg: AI needs at least 8gb ram to run decently, Apple can maybe manage enough server capacity to support only so many devices by a certain date etc) , and doing the best they can to get a working product out the door given these constraints.
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Phones and computers are mature tech; people know that, and don't care about upgrading often anymore. That's not an Apple thing, it's a technology thing, and it's across the board.
That's why companies are focusing on services, because the growth-via-hardware party is over.
I think Joswiak means if Apple is trying to scheme everyone to upgrade hardware, Apple would only add Apple Intelligence to latest M3 (Pro/Max) MacBook. They think supporting older iPads/Macs vindicates them only putting 6GB ram in base iPhone 15, even though Apple knew LLM is coming this year.
michaeljk
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For all those complaining about Apple's legacy history, I'd suggest venturing over to the world of Android, where on most phones you buy, you have every reason to expect it will not be able to upgrade any new versions of Android's OS. It might be able to make iterative (.x) upgrades, but not major upgrades. Android has a very long history of being extremely fragmented for this reason. Compare Android's fragmentation to iOS? No comparison. A few minutes of research revealed that as recently as two years ago, Apple's then latest iOS was being used on 81% of ALL iPhones being used at that time, and over 90% of phones four years old and newer, and Android's latest OS was being used on 26% of Android phones, with all the rest split between multiple older versions of Android, because those phones cannot run the latest version of Android. Apple has, in almost all respects, done a remarkable job at creating a market where the vast majority of its phones are all able to run the exact same software, even though older phones obviously cannot be expected to take advantage of all the new features created after the phone was created.
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Common sense would tell you why. Any other iPhone is too slow to run it in a way that makes it work, while not being slow as **** so people complain about it.
Exactly. Its telling that they explain this away with saying if it was just about selling phones, they would have not included the last years phones. Put it on a phone they aren't actively selling and I'd believe them more.
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Many android users don't care if their phones are updated or not, since the apps, Chrome and the like, continue to update without the OS needing to update. Apple could do the same and de-couple Music, Safari, Mail and such from the iOS and let those update independent of the OS, but for some reason they won't.
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No, I don't. I never knew or cared how much ram my iPhones have had. I have no clue how much my 13 Pro has.
So, 15 & 15 plus models won’t even be able to create genmoji’s?
Updates aren't really the problem with Android, the core problem is that phones change so often that after about six months it starts to slow down considerable.
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My wife had her last Pixel (model 2) for 6 years. She never reset it, and it was working fine when she retired it for her 8. It was not noticeably slower than the day she got it.
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I switched to the S24 Plus. No huge tumor notch, just a small hole punch. And all the "Apple Intelligence" features they showed last week are already on my phone today. Each to their own!
I agree to an extent. But people will upgrade if the devices LOOK different, if the design has changed.
Saying people have stopped buying things because the technology has matured might be true from a tiny segment of the market. But most of the market it’s low end consumer devices that NEED replaced every year or two.
And people see Apple doing the same thing over and over again. And they look at competitors doing wild new things with folding laptops, convertible laptops, phones with gaming features and built in coolers with LEDS.
The average consumer is half brain dead. They want flashy, they want new, they want different.
And Apple has a very hard time pulling any of that off.
AI isn’t going to be the boon of wealth Apple thinks it’s going to be. I can guarantee that. When they are requiring it to be on specific devices because of ram constraints people will look elsewhere is this is what they want in an AI.
Or they will simply download a cloud based AI off the App Store and continue to use their older devices.
When I saw the 15PM announcement I was pondering if this was an April fools joke. And when the 16 rolls around and it looks EXACTLY the same, I’ll just double down on my 14PM. If one of my kids needs a new phone sure, they will get the cheapest thing Apple has to offer. Because Apple doesn’t innovate anymore.
They have went stagnant. We get a tiny glimmer of innovation every 3-5 years.
Then it’s back to the same tired formula.
I love Apple, I grew up with Apple.
But that “magic” died with Steve.
Yeah people's mischaracterization of Android on here is laughable.
They still think Android's issues in 2010 are still a problem today. In reality, current Pixels and Samsung phones will get just as much software support as iPhones.
There's nothing wrong with preferring iPhones obviously. But if you're going to attack Android, at least get your facts straight.