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Yes. I think you may be guilty of that too. No?

I mean, I try to validate my points with my surroundings. Family, friends, colleagues. So in my world, as anecdotal as it might be is pretty much a fact.
I agree. A “fact” for you does not necessarily mean it’s a fact for entire population of iPad owning customers. But it’s still anecdotal even if you treated as fact.
 
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I agree. A “fact” for you does not necessarily mean it’s a fact for entire population of iPad owning customers. But it’s still anecdotal even if you treated as fact.

The validity of a fact is not diminished by its context-specific nature or its resistance to generalization.

No need to put “fact” under quotes.

The truth is that we are dealing with a general purpose device. In such case it’s important, I believe, to properly understand all the facts and not dismiss them. Of course decision need to be made and actions be taken, the worst is analysis paralises.

The decision of course, is down to the product owner. Whether that decision is good or bad is for the rest to decide, each in their own context.

I think I have exhausted my explanation, not with abstract or mere speculation and what if’s, but actually bound to daily experiences and needs, in context.

But there well we go. We are now way far far away from the discussion at hand. That speaks for the relevance of the “anecdotal” observation along with “apple does everything right” which of course diverts from the actual topic.
 
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The whole purpose is to sell devices, isn't it? So obviously they want you to buy all of their devices. They aim not to make your live easier, but their wallet thicker. An ipad with mouse and keyboard is basically a macbook air. Making them behave differently will make you buy both instead of one. Likewise, their software should be barely enough, but not really, just to make sure you buy an alternate product fro ma developer who also has to purchase they whole charade. The only thing they can do is maker lives just miserable enough to make us buy both. But sell it as the most wonderful and aaaammmaaaaazing thing ever invented. Year after year. What else? :mad:
 
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The whole purpose is to sell devices, isn't it?

A free user should not care for that matter. But there are definitely some users with conflict of interest regarding such statement (question).

That is one of the reasons Waz is for me an Apple reference. His irreverence to the company along with its appreciation. Even Phill Shiller not long ago said it took the MacBook everywhere unlike his iPad. Granted soon after he kind of left his position in the company.

The zealots crucified Ive when he left the company even though he did so much.
 
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To actually be productive the iPad is way way way more complex than macOS. People have been jumping hoops and loops to get the thing going. There was one guy that for a a couple years used nothing but the iPad to be productive until he gave up and bought and surrendered to macOS.

PS: I don’t see macOS adopting the best of iPad. Actually is adopting mostly the worst, take stage manager for instance. how bad is that?

PS: By the way. I bought almost versions of iPads since inception. I stopped with the iPad Pro 12" just before it turned M.
You have to look no further than the App Store. Some of the more advanced apps for iPad like for photo editing, video editing, music production, drawing, etc, those apps can be used for productivity in ways that can compete with a Mac or at the very least complement it. Some things are actually easier on a thin, lightweight touch screen device. I'm defending a product that I have criticised many times in the past...
 
You have to look no further than the App Store. Some of the more advanced apps for iPad like for photo editing, video editing, music production, drawing, etc, those apps can be used for productivity in ways that can compete with a Mac or at the very least complement it. Some things are actually easier on a thin, lightweight touch screen device. I'm defending a product that I have criticised many times in the past...

I understand that. What I am proposing does not take value of none of that.

For instance as an amateur photographer, street, I came to appreciate using my fingers to doge and burn photos and some other photo editing stuff. Still, when it to the actual final work, the Macbook and the depth of its apps. So much so that after awhile, the with the wear of the novelty of using my fingers, I mostly stop using it.

My son, is an Artist and wants to take ny iPad Pro out of the country to his uni, Art Academia with him. He appreciates using the ability to use the pen to practice drawing and all related. But just for that matter. Everything else he prefers the Macbook.

Music … have no experience with it apart from connecting my guitar for sound effects and some basic editing.

So why not an iPad Pro with dual modes, iPad OS and macOS. It would for sure be more convenient than taking and managing two devices. Not to mention the cognitive weight of pick up or the other in context. Pick one and with a touch of a button , boom.

For me it does not make any sense taking two devices to meetings because I might need one or the other. Or when business traveling. Just because someone wants to monetize third party apps at any cost.

That is the way I mostly feel about this approach now.

I would not mind paying 3k for a 14” iPad Pro that could do that, something that I would use everyday, from dawn to evening. It’s harder for me to justify paying 1.5K for something that does not, only to use occasionally in the week. So for this reason the iPad is in my workflow left behind for the time being. Maybe an iPad Mini to pair with my iPhone Max who knows just … but then again iPhones with foldable displays are coming … will see. There always the zFold to replace an iPhone Max and an iPad Mini option when the time comes.

I appreciate the idea of the ecossystem, still at what cost?

I am still not convinced that Apple approach to the Tablet centered on iPad OS is not a fad that wears out. Ready to be replaced by something else that is beyond anual improvements. Something even more convenient.

One thing is for sure. iPads Pro sales are neck and neck with the Macs.

Maybe it would be easier for me to justify an iPad if my main machine was Windows / Intel . Who knows.
 
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iPadOS 26 allows iPads to function much more like Macs, with a new app windowing system, a swipe-down menu bar at the top of the screen, and more. However, Apple has stopped short of allowing iPads to run macOS, and it has now explained why.

iPadOS-26-App-Windowing.jpg

In an interview this week with Swiss tech journalist Rafael Zeier, Apple's software engineering chief Craig Federighi said that iPadOS 26's new Mac-like features strike a good balance between productivity and simplicity. He added that macOS is not optimized for touch-screens, although rumors suggest that might change one day.

"We want to retain all the simplicity of the iPad, but still allow iPad users who want to go deeper and further to push it at their own pace to doing more," said Federighi, in a sit-down interview at Apple Park's podcast studio. "I think with macOS, you'd lose what makes iPad iPad, which is the ultimate touch device. But there are lots of things the two platforms can learn from one another, and that's where we've adapted our best ideas to each."

The quote above is only a portion of Federighi's answer, with the full interview available below.


For those who are still looking for a true iPad and Mac hybrid, Apple is reportedly working on everything from touch-screen Macs to a 19-inch foldable iPad, so the dream of using macOS on a touch-screen might be just a few years away.

Article Link: Apple Explains Why iPads Don't Just Run macOS
That’s nonsense, and it’s something they could have easy figured out by now if they wanted to.

The real reason is they don’t want iPads becoming multi-user devices. Unlike iPhones which live in people’s pockets, iPads still have the potential to be shared among family members around the house. They simply don’t want it to be useful for more than one person at a time, so you have to buy more of them.
 
I understand that. What I am proposing does not take value of none of that.

For instance as an amateur photographer, street, I came to appreciate using my fingers to doge and burn photos and some other photo editing stuff. Still, when it to the actual final work, the Macbook and the depth of its apps. So much so that after awhile, the with the wear of the novelty of using my fingers, I mostly stop using it.

My son, is an Artist and wants to take ny iPad Pro out of the country to his uni, Art Academia with him. He appreciates using the ability to use the pen to practice drawing and all related. But just for that matter. Everything else he prefers the Macbook.

Music … have no experience with it apart from connecting my guitar for sound effects and some basic editing.

So why not an iPad Pro with dual modes, iPad OS and macOS. It would for sure be more convenient than taking and managing two devices. Not to mention the cognitive weight of pick up or the other in context. Pick one and with a touch of a button , boom.

For me it does not make any sense taking two devices to meetings because I might need one or the other. Or when business traveling. Just because someone wants to monetize third party apps at any cost.

That is the way I mostly feel about this approach now.

I would not mind paying 3k for a 14” iPad Pro that could do that, something that I would use everyday, from dawn to evening. It’s harder for me to justify paying 1.5K for something that does not, only to use occasionally in the week. So for this reason the iPad is in my workflow left behind for the time being. Maybe an iPad Mini to pair with my iPhone Max who knows just … but then again iPhones with foldable displays are coming … will see. There always the zFold to replace an iPhone Max and an iPad Mini option when the time comes.

I appreciate the idea of the ecossystem, still at what cost?

I am still not convinced that Apple approach to the Tablet centered on iPad OS is not a fad that wears out. Ready to be replaced by something else that is beyond anual improvements. Something even more convenient.

One thing is for sure. iPads Pro sales are neck and neck with the Macs.

Maybe it would be easier for me to justify an iPad if my main machine was Windows / Intel . Who knows.
I understand about preferring a laptop, I do too. Apple is just not going to put two systems on iPad, they reiterate this every given opportunity. They will say it's about the quality of the user experience, but really they would rather sell you two devices than one.

If you want to debate the quality part, I can follow the Apple logic given how bad the user experience on a Windows touch screen device can be, but I would personally still prefer to decide what OS I use on iPad myself. In fact, later this year I will try and switch away from Apple altogether and just use whatever I want. But that's for another day.
 
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>> macOS is not optimized for touch-screens
With drivers in Macos everything is bad, for everything.
But if you connect a supported touch-screen display, then everything is fine there with touch-screen support.
 
Completely stupid answer from Craig.

Setup iPad on stand, get out keyboard & trackpad (or mouse), boot into MacOS, and I couldn't care less if it has a touch screen or not. It is now the perfect device to actually get something done.

Yet, once I put the keyboard & trackpad away, now it becomes the perfect tablet booted into iPadOS (if they don't screw it up trying to make iPadOS somewhat like a Mac).

Why not buy a laptop, then? Because when I'm traveling, 75% of the time I want a tablet. That other 25% when I need to get something serious done, I also need a serious OS that actually works in a productive manner.

I'm happy we're getting some useful looking capabilities added to iPadOS. But, it would be ***SO*** much easier and more straightforward if it could just dual-boot.
 
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