Apple Explains Why iPads Don't Just Run macOS

[prospervic]

I think you are seeing it the wrong way.

We are talking about having macOS supporting pen and touch input in a tablet form. Not the destruction of iPadOS.

At least my point is, if the iPad is to adopt meaningful macOS features, such as mouse and keyboard support and many others, it’s looking more and more like macOS yet not as good. Why do you feel so strongly that such reasoning should not go both ways also?

Who ever wants iPadOS in a desktop gets it. Whoever wants macOS in a tablet gets it, is that simple. Everything is in one download and install way. Your reasoning seams to penalize who does not want what you want on a Tablet within the Apple ecosystem. … for no reason as a customer.

For instance I would probably prefer something like this than a MacBook Air. Especially in the Uni. Other people such has you could prefer to have both. That is all fine.

The question is … is there a market for such a thing? Especially in the MacbookAir space, the best selling Mac? … I think that the probability for that is quite high. In particular because iPad sales look a lot like a rollercoaster.

Cheers.

My argument is not so much with those who want dual boot, but those that one want macOS to take over the iPad entirely, and seem to be in majority. I’m sick of all the dismissive and snide remarks about putting a “real operating system“ on iPad. It reminds me when I bought my first Mac in 2004 and had to endure similar kinds of derision from Windows users. I was infuriated when I called HP tech-support to get help making my printer work with my Mac, the rep told me that I shouldn’t have invested in a “dying platform”.

Ask for dual-booting, I could be wrong, but I don’t see Apple ever allowing this. It’s just not Apple‘s way. Can anyone name one example where Apple let operating systems run on products different than what they were designed for? You know, like tvOS running on Apple Watch?

While it may seem easy to you, this would cause confusion amongst the majority of iPad users who are non-techies. Plus, so many advocates say it would be “simple” for Apple to implement this — how do you know? Are any of you software engineers? Most likely not, and are just arm-chairing. What’s Apple going to do, have this device operate as a Mac with only one port and no facility for local backups?

Judging from the rumors, I believe that Apple is going to eventually introduce some type of foldable device that will, by design, operate in both Mac and iPad modes. But rest assured, it’s gonna be very expensive. (Be careful what you wish for, because you’ll likely wind up having to pay a pretty penny for it.)

Truth be told, it’s no skin off my nose if Apple allows dual-boot facility, but as I said in another post, they should offer it as a subscription service to make it worth their while.

 

[Ethosik]

Of course you can.

This would be like saying you can't use a desktop website on mobile.

It's all about building in the adaptability and flexibility.

This is all just software, which can be adapted for any type of device.

It's literally what makes software so great.

It's the "soft" part.

Not when software has a user interface. I literally cannot use about 80% of my windows programs on a touch screen Surface due to the interaction-able elements being too small for my fingers.

 

[It’s always something]

Not when software has a user interface. I literally cannot use about 80% of my windows programs on a touch screen Surface due to the interaction-able elements being too small for my fingers.

This is an occasional problem for me with websites on an iPad mini.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

Funny thing - my colleague lost her thumb drive a few months back, together with all the work files she had saved on it. Even had to reset her exam paper, because she couldn't be certain that the drive wouldn't land into the hands of a student and the questions subsequently leaked.

I guess it works well enough for me as a teacher since I am typically dealing with fairly small files. The largest ones are pdf scans of textbooks and workbooks. That said, onedrive has been increasingly buggy ever since I upgraded to the M4 iPad Pro though (previously had no issues with my 2018 iPad Pro), so I am not entirely sure where the issue lies. PDFs not opening in the files app (meaning I can't view or annotate on them), and office docs not opening in the files app either (but can be loaded within the respective office app). Logging out of onedrive usually fixes the issue for a day otherwise two, then it's back to square one.

One reason why I am looking forward to the standalone preview app in iPadOS 26. 😛

Glad you mention the teaching environment. My wife is a math teacher. Back at the start Pandemic & Curfew days she had a PC laptop assigned to her. I told her that should benefit from using an iPad Pro and Pencil to give remote classes and record lessons. So we bought one (I already had one). In those days it was great for her. She used screen recording and voice over and screen to explain and create activities and uploaded to school clouds. During remote lesson she would share her iPad screen and switch back and forth from her laptop. She used her iPad Pro a lot along with the laptop PC. Her laptop PC (windows) was not that good so she was inclined to use the iPad Pro for performance reasons. Then this period ended and she was back to school every day, she was assigned by her choice a MacBook M1.

She barely uses the iPad Pro now if not for entertainment.

As mentioned, the same thing happened to the kids and myself. Granted, the elder one, the Artist, asked me to take my iPad Pro to the Uni … he is leaving his home for that matter.

Of course I said yes and my not planning to buy another one for me.

Now I use the MacBook every day, sure, the ability to use a pencil and touch in a meeting is useful. I don’t see why I need to change OSs and machines entirely for that matter in 2025. It’s understandable in 2009, but 2025? Not really.

My argument is not so much with those who want dual boot, but those that one want macOS to take over the iPad entirely, and seem to be in majority. I’m sick of all the dismissive and snide remarks about putting a “real operating system“ on iPad.

I think you maybe chasing ghosts here. Sure, I’ve seen those kinds of remarks, but the way I see, they don’t mean the way you are interpreting it. By all means if you prefer a Tablet grounded on iOS, why not? But also why not have one grounded in macOS? What’s so wrong about that?

Tim Cook observation about not turning a toaster into a fridge, don’t quite recall the right expression is now meaningless. The iPad OS more and more looks like something trying to be macOS but failing year after year after year after year while being ever more expensive … a bit of a Frankenstainish experience if we move beyond the basics.

 

[DJ_Envo]

I’m sick of all the dismissive and snide remarks about putting a “real operating system“ on iPad. It reminds me when I bought my first Mac in 2004 and had to endure similar kinds of derision from Windows users. I was infuriated when I called HP tech-support to get help making my printer work with my Mac, the rep told me that I shouldn’t have invested in a “dying platform”.

You know your reasoning isn't really sticking. "Mac vs. Windows" and a "macOS vs. iPadOS" is totally different thing...

OS X was always a developing platform. It had to be the icebreaker, so they kept it open, they needed the Apps, they needed the developers. iPadOS on the other hand is kept in the walled garden ever since the first iPad released and totally on purpose.

Since the transition to Apple Silicon they share the same architecture, there isn't a single task what a modern iPad couldn't do what a Mac can.

It's all artificial and only happening because Apple wants more bucks and in a totally unethical way.

That's why there isn't a single proper developer tools on the iPad. For that reason, they must provide a terminal access because our toolchain requires it on many levels, and once we have proper shell access we could break the walls of the walled garden in no time.

Yes, I know there's an app for Python contains a few preloaded libraries, but c'mon, we need more than that to call it as a real computer not just a low shelf toy for Casual Joes who likes to watch videos, read comics and sometimes draws a cow.

And this whole artifical gatekeeping makes whole industries. Like there isn't a proper version of the DJ apps where you could do a playlist management and export to a drive so you could not looks like a complete joke on stage when there's a full blown DJ booth. (I know, djay is cool, with all it's gimmicks, i'm using it, but that's not industry standard). Rekordbox only available as a stripped down version without the actual features you're using it on a Desktop. Same goes to Ableton which has a stripped down Note app on iOS. I could continue.

Great but not enough.

And that's the main issue with the iPad as a platform, it's great, but not enough to call it as a main computer.

Truth be told, it’s no skin off my nose if Apple allows dual-boot facility, but as I said in another post, they should offer it as a subscription service to make it worth their while.

Oh yeah, because they're not getting enough money on the overpriced devices already... leave me hanging...

 

[Abazigal]

I think you maybe chasing ghosts here. Sure, I’ve seen those kinds of remarks, but the way I see, they don’t mean the way you are interpreting it. By all means of you prefer a Tablet grounded on iOS, why not? But also why not have one grounded in macOS? What’s so wrong about that?

It just feels incredibly lazy to me. Like sure, I can understand how such an arrangement would satisfy both parties (use what you like and everyone's happy), but by allowing both options, Apple is implicitly admitting that they don't really know what customers really want anymore, and is therefore abdicating the burden of that choice back to us.

Which goes against the whole point of getting an Apple product - the belief that Apple does know better, and the abdication of "choice" to Apple's design team. Maybe I am tilting at windmills here. I am a sucker for controversial tradeoffs. I like a company who has the "courage" to tell me that this one feature in their product is worth more than every other feature which people consider "must haves" combined. An example is the 2015 Macbook with only 1 usb-c port. It's thin, it's light, it was slow, it had only 1 port, and I would have willingly gone out of my way to make it work. The same goes for having only usb-c ports in their MacBooks between 2016 to 2020 (eg: "forcing" customers to adopt only usb-c peripherals), the iPhone not having expandable storage, removable batteries or headphone jacks, and yes, the decision to have the iPad run iOS and not macOS.

It's easy to cheer when a laptop gets more ram or a faster processor or a better screen. It's not so easy when the decision to make something slimmer and lighter results in features being cut (like ports). That takes courage, and the conviction that whatever decision you are making is ultimately in the best interests of the end user.

Given the choice, I would rather Apple continue to work to adapt macOS features for iOS, rather than throw up their hands in a sign of capitulation and go "You know what? I am just going to have the iPad ship with macOS and call it quits from here onwards". It might prove to be a short-term boon, but the long term consequence could be that iPadOS stops improving, because every single legitimate concern we may have with the user experience would simply be countered with "just boot your iPad in macOS mode and use it that way", and that would be counter-productive for people who genuinely wish to continue using their iPad as an iPad.

That's just my concern. Because no matter how glacial the improvements to iPadOS were being made in the past couple of years, at least there was progress being made. Having macOS on a tablet, IMO, is not progress. If anything, it freezes it.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

It just feels incredibly lazy to me. Like sure, I can understand how such an arrangement would satisfy both parties (use what you like and everyone's happy), but by allowing both options, Apple is implicitly admitting that they don't really know what customers really want anymore, and is therefore abdicating the burden of that choice back to us.

Which goes against the whole point of getting an Apple product

I see your point but then I don't. MacOS had dual boot with Windows for years. Does that meant that people who bought MacBooks where mistaken on what kind of OS they would choose?

Of course not.

It just meant that if the user needs that particular thing that macOS in context was not able to provide or did not fit, the broader Apple tech still provided. In fact, this is another trait that made me really like Apple, pragmatic simplicity.

Once iMac had the ability to be used as an external monitor of a Macbook or another iMac, I think it was called TDM. Then they decided no. Now when somehow the OS is no longer able to to perform, the monitor should be disposed also ... is that an environment friendly decision, how does that benefit the user?

You know pragmatism is also a value that users appreciate.

Having macOS on a tablet, IMO, is not progress. If anything, it freezes it

Progress in what sense? I mean, I understand that for iPad OS, blatantly adopting macOS features looks like progress. But if you take into account technology as a whole there is no progress. Its developing things for the things sake.

iPad Users have been taking a journey of no to little progress, just operational complexity increasing, year by year from an OS point of view. That is how we should interpret my family reaction and mine to it.

The benefit of a dual boot is that iPad OS would be able to concentrate in what it is and does best. Instead of trying to rehash things that are already implemented extremely well in macOS. Why do we need iPad OS in the desktop? Why do we need a File Manager in iPad OS ever more like macOS? Why do we need e menu bar on Top? Why do we need multiple windows? Why do we need a keyboard even (granted ok)? Heck, why do we need even a camera bump in the back?

It seams that iPad OS is evolving as per its needs, the need to stay relevant, all disguised as user needs. It's like a technological department trench inside Apple.

Imagine, switching between iPad OS and macOS in a couple of seconds, as fast as that. Maybe when a keyboard is attached for instance? In time than develop iPad OS ... macOS embedded Continuity. So seamlessly has if there is little to no stop gap.

I would call this real progress considering the whole Apple tech. Not progress centered on the limitations of a particular component they may have created, iPad OS/iOS overlooking everything else.

As you can imagine I fail to understand this conclusion. Why would it freeze it? The potential of a Tablet to be useful is much more than iPad OS.

The result of failing to understand that is that is becoming way over complex and idiosyncratic to use. That for me is not progress, it's doing things for things sake, not humans. Probably nice for trade shows, but after the curtain of the show folds, give it a few months, in practice is totally uninteresting.

What you qualify as Lazy, today, I would say it takes cold blooded Courage considering the forces of OS trenching being played here.

PS: Want more ports, mouse and keyboard and what not? Get a Macbook right? The idea of getting the iPad OS on the desktop, multiple windows support, full blown Finder, Menu Bar on top etc etc etc, it's done already way better ... yuck! Want that? Get macOS. Buying a Tablet or a Laptop should bare little to no relevance on this decision.

 

[MacFan23]

UI is fine.

All the limitations are things Apple has chosen to block. Removing those limitations changes nothing for “common users”, but would make the platform usable for “advanced users”. All those can me opt in to ensure literally nothing changes for a common user.

Options like
- Terminal available
- Never terminate a process (swap it out instead)
- Allow background processes from Terminal
- Allow JIT
- Allow Docker
- Allow running these apps (from outside App Store)
- Allow running self compiled apps

Is "Apple has chosen to block" really a fair representation? They started with something and have been improving on it over time, they just haven't added those features you listed, most likely for the reason you mentioned to, they're niche and would only be impactful to a small number of users.

 

[jole]

Is "Apple has chosen to block" really a fair representation? They started with something and have been improving on it over time, they just haven't added those features you listed, most likely for the reason you mentioned to, they're niche and would only be impactful to a small number of users.

Steve Jobs did put it: "it runs OSX". The fact is that there is a full unix under the good on all modern Apple OSs.

For security purposes, to maximize battery life, (and potentially for protecting their app store cut), Apple has chosen not to allow many of the listed features.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

Is "Apple has chosen to block" really a fair representation? They started with something and have been improving on it over time, they just haven't added those features you listed, most likely for the reason you mentioned to, they're niche and would only be impactful to a small number of users.

My friend. As far as productivity goes, niche is what the iPad OS was designed for. All these new features, make it work with the mouse, trackpads, keyboards, external monitor support, floating mult windows, background processing … are features implemented to keep it relevant. Just look at the adoption number and compare with the rest of the computers it is trying to emulate. It’s definitely a niche product in that context.

Now like every niche product it has its own hardline followers. But you know what. In my multiple decade time working in tech, hardline followers rarely move a needle in terms of progress. They will fight to end for all their commitment, their dedication to be justified … instead of … Humm maybe I am mistaken about this …

Look. It does not matter, in its current form is mostly a nice to have, meaning non essential. At the current rate of progress it will be for the next two decades. So much potential wasted.

 

[Abazigal]

You know pragmatism is also a value that users appreciate.

No denying this.

That said, what attracted me to Apple products was their extremely opinionated approach to design. Not so much pragmatism (the iMac form factor is anything but pragmatic, and I still love it).

Same with a laptop that sported only usb-c ports. Shame that Apple would subsequently backtrack on that decision, but I guess the market spoke.

Possibly one of my idiosyncrasies is that I believe in design purity more than user choice. 😛

The benefit of a dual boot is that iPad OS would be able to concentrate in what it is and does best.

What is the iPad supposed to do best?

As you can imagine I fail to understand this conclusion. Why would it freeze it? The potential of a Tablet to be useful is much more than iPad OS.

I suppose it depends on whether you feel a user's needs is better served with iOS on a larger screen, with the option to trigger macOS when connected to a keyboard. Like who decides what features should continue to come to iPadOS, instead of being gated behind macOS?

For example, in a hypothetical alternate reality where Apple decided to let the iPad run macOS much earlier. Might this mean that the iPad never got split-screen multitasking (or maybe stuck with a far more primitive version of it)?

Right now, Apple is at least obligated to update iPadOS because they were the ones who marketed it as a computer in the first place. What happens if they allow users to access macOS on the iPad and request for any new features on iOS are answered with "Go boot into macOS".

It's very easy to say "just do this and you don't have to use it if you don't want to", but I feel people on these forums don't spend enough time thinking about unlikely consequences that might occur as a result. Either that or they choose not to address any of those for fear that even the slightest admission that there might be potential drawbacks to their proposal would cause it to lose all credibility.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

What is the iPad supposed to do best?

Meant iPad OS that once was called iOS. Not the iPad as a Tablet.

The way I saw it was an extremely simplified OS where users could run Apps to read, watch, play, listen, video communicate and draw things, all with their hands and later with a pencil. For that matter multiple apps addressing multiple subjects were made. Applications were light and simple to use. For me it wasn't meant to be a destination, more like a companion to other devices.

Now there were people, like myself that pushed the iPad OS (I mean now the Tablet) to be a replacement of say a Macbook from a productivity powerhouse. point of view. Compared with Intel Macbook and even Macs at many instances it was faster and more smooth performing a myriad of tasks. I bought the iPad Pro 10", later the 12" (two generations of those) just to see how far would it go. I also bought the very creative Magic Keyboard purposely built for the iPad Pro, for the all experience. For about 3 months I purposely disciplined myself only to use a iMac Pro for work and an iPad Pro while out of office ... it wasn't particularly nice .. but was a leaning experience.

Then the M1's came to the Macs ... my opinion was then totally reversed. You see, I was assuming that the performance and smoothness gains of the iPad came from rebuilding the OS from the ground up specifically optimized for ARM processors, case in case the A series. Furthermore that such feat would be very hard to do with macOS, an older OS ... But I was wrong. Apple made a surprising as incredible job with macOS supporting ARM processors. So, so, so good, that surpassed the iPad OS / iOS performance and smoothness without loosing the none its productivity abilities. MacOS was specifically designed for productivity unlike iPad OS / iOS.

The iPad OS on my iPad Pro along with along with its keyboard and track and macOS on my MacBook Pro 14" with M1 Pro, the difference was staggering. So much so that it ridicuralized the iPad OS, death with a thousand cuts.The most simple things such as summoning and switching apps with Spotlight (cmd+space), the iPad OS lags, while in the macOS is snap snap snap.

Like who decides what features should continue to come to iPadOS, instead of being gated behind macOS?

Who decided that Pencil and Touch should be gated behind iPad OS / App Store? I would say the same people. Honestly do you think that the real state provided by an iPad display is adequate to comfortably use floating windows? If in a MacBook Pro 14" is already combursome, in an iPad with the ultra large everything ....

Does anything above suggests that you can get work done with any app in such configurations? Is this the epitome of good design? Be fully honest, please.

For example, in a hypothetical alternate reality where Apple decided to let the iPad run macOS much earlier. Might this mean that the iPad never got split-screen multitasking (or maybe stuck with a far more primitive version of it)?

We are not talking about split screen are we? But even then in an 9" is totally useless.

It's very easy to say "just do this and you don't have to use it if you don't want to", but I feel people on these forums don't spend enough time thinking about unlikely consequences that might occur as a result.

I am glad that you do then. Because I surely do.

For instance, some drawbacks of having dual modes macOS / iPad OS on a Tablet:

- If not done right, mean the switch is not fast and smooth, with some black screen in the middle ... the user might feel a stop gap. But if it was done as fast and smooth as say when we reorient or iPad from Portrait to Landscape ... I think people would feel WOW ... that's crazy.

- macOS being more open with better productivity apps people might not use iPad OS as much on a tablet. If that is the case, less incentive for some devs in providing an iPad OS specific App. That in turn might affect Apple App Store revenue.

Anyway way, here we are discussing all these features, hundreds and hundreds, coming to the iPad OS borrowed from macOS in the last 4 years to so, making it way more complicated to use, all down to the fact that some users are saying ... "Hey, please bring Pen & Touch input to the macOS, we don't need anything else as far as progress is concerned in relationship to the iPad OS".

For me this is mostly down not to good engineering and design for the benefit of the user, but to the REVENUE architecture baked in iOS compared to macOS. Maybe my kids are more intelligent than I am, more wise, they quickly saw and said, faster then I ... dad, I need Macbook or something of the sort, the iPad is great for certain thing, but is too limited and not good enough for actually get work done, all that is already sorted, why wait?

I end with this.

Imagine that you had the desktop and laptop OS on the planet, the best tablet OS on the planet, in one device, seamlessly integrated. Imagine what you could do with it.

I ask you, what's so wrong with that?

Cheers.

 

[I7guy]

To actually be productive the iPad is way way way more complex than macOS. People have been jumping hoops and loops to get the thing going.

I feel this is a gross generalization.

There was one guy that for a a couple years used nothing but the iPad to be productive until he gave up and bought and surrendered to macOS.

Anecdotal at best.

PS: I don’t see macOS adopting the best of iPad. Actually is adopting mostly the worst, take stage manager for instance. how bad is that?

PS: By the way. I bought almost versions of iPads since inception. I stopped with the iPad Pro 12" just before it turned M.

Each has its strengths and weaknesses. No one computing system fulfills 100% of every persons needs, wants, wishes or requirements 100%.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

Just make it MacOS on the Ipad, and have touch compatibility for it, and also make Macs be able to be Cellular. I am sure they would be able to do it if they wanted.

 

[I7guy]

Meant iPad OS that once was called iOS. Not the iPad as a Tablet.

The way I saw it was an extremely simplified OS where users could run Apps to read, watch, play, listen, video communicate and draw things, all with their hands and later with a pencil. For that matter multiple apps addressing multiple subjects were made. Applications were light and simple to use. For me it wasn't meant to be a destination, more like a companion to other devices.

Now there were people, like myself that pushed the iPad OS (I mean now the Tablet) to be a replacement of say a Macbook from a productivity powerhouse. point of view. Compared with Intel Macbook and even Macs at many instances it was faster and more smooth performing a myriad of tasks. I bought the iPad Pro 10", later the 12" (two generations of those) just to see how far would it go. I also bought the very creative Magic Keyboard purposely built for the iPad Pro, for the all experience. For about 3 months I purposely disciplined myself only to use a iMac Pro for work and an iPad Pro while out of office ... it wasn't particularly nice .. but was a leaning experience.

Then the M1's came to the Macs ... my opinion was then totally reversed. You see, I was assuming that the performance and smoothness gains of the iPad came from rebuilding the OS from the ground up specifically optimized for ARM processors, case in case the A series. Furthermore that such feat would be very hard to do with macOS, an older OS ... But I was wrong. Apple made a surprising as incredible job with macOS supporting ARM processors. So, so, so good, that surpassed the iPad OS / iOS performance and smoothness without loosing the none its productivity abilities. MacOS was specifically designed for productivity unlike iPad OS / iOS.

The iPad OS on my iPad Pro along with along with its keyboard and track and macOS on my MacBook Pro 14" with M1 Pro, the difference was staggering. So much so that it ridicuralized the iPad OS, death with a thousand cuts.The most simple things such as summoning and switching apps with Spotlight (cmd+space), the iPad OS lags, while in the macOS is snap snap snap.



Who decided that Pencil and Touch should be gated behind iPad OS / App Store? I would say the same people. Honestly do you think that the real state provided by an iPad display is adequate to comfortably use floating windows? If in a MacBook Pro 14" is already combursome, in an iPad with the ultra large everything ....

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Does anything above suggests that you can get work done with any app in such configurations? Is this the epitome of good design? Be fully honest, please.



We are not talking about split screen are we? But even then in an 9" is totally useless.



I am glad that you do then. Because I surely do.

For instance, some drawbacks of having dual boot macOS / iPad OS:

- If not done right, mean the switch is not fast and smooth, with some black screen in the middle ... the user might feel a stop gap. But if it was done as fast and smooth as say when we reorient or iPad from Portrait to Landscape ... I think people would feel WOW ... that's crazy.

- macOS being more open with better productivity apps people might not use iPad OS as much on a tablet. If that is the case, less incentive for some devs in providing an iPad OS specific App. That in turn might affect Apple App Store revenue.

Anyway way, here we are discussing all these features, hundreds and hundreds, coming to the iPad OS borrowed from macOS in the last 4 years to so, making it way more complicated to use, all down to the fact that some users are saying ... "Hey, please bring Pen & Touch input to the macOS, we don't need anything else as far as progress is concerned in relationship to the iPad OS".

For me this is mostly down not to good engineering and design for the benefit of the user, but to the REVENUE architecture baked in iOS compared to macOS. Maybe my kids are more intelligent than I have, they quickly saw and said, faster then I ... dad, I need Macbook or something of the sort, the iPad is great for certain thing, but is too limited and not good enough for actually get work done, all that is already sorted, why wait?

I end with this.

Imagine that you had the desktop and laptop OS on the planet, the best tablet OS on the planet, in one device, seamlessly integrated. Imagine what you could do with it.

I ask you, what's so wrong with that?

Cheers

You think the iPad is complicated to use. One of the things about it is that one can use in a very uncomplicated form or use it in a more complicated form. You choose.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

I feel this is a gross generalization.

Ok I have. My wife has, so have my kids. And many people that I follow report some frustration for basic things.

Anecdotal you may say. But that is all I have. I don’t put products in my customers otherwise just for the sake of revenue.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

You think the iPad is complicated to use. One of the things about it is that one can use in a very uncomplicated form or use it in a more complicated form. You choose.

Wow choice. From a men well known in this circle defending choice within iOS as a dangerous thing.

 

[I7guy]

Wow choice. From a men well known in this circle defending choice within iOS as a dangerous thing.

Choice by Apple design is a good thing. Choice by other methods, not so much.

 

[I7guy]

Ok I have. My wife has, so have my kids. And many people that I follow report some frustration for basic things.

Which is why it’s anecdotal. My wife, kids, friends associates all who have iPads like the firm and function. As I said earlier nothing is perfect but the prior statement to me is a gross generalization.

Anecdotal you may say. But that is all I have. I don’t put products in my customers otherwise just for the sake of revenue.

Right. Anecdotal is anecdotal.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

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[Nuno Lopes]

Which is why it’s anecdotal. My wife, kids, friends associates all who have iPads like the firm and function. As I said earlier nothing is perfect but the prior statement to me is a gross generalization

So we both elaborating on anecdotal foundations what does ”anecdotal at best” adds to the conversation?

It sounded more like a way to dismiss someone else opinion, rather than understanding.

But somehow I am not surprised.

Waste of band.

 

[Nuno Lopes]

Choice by Apple design is a good thing. Choice by other methods, not so much.

Is that another anecdote, or are you making a gross generalization?

If you’re not interested in having a real discussion about any Apple related subject, why engage with dismissive comments in the first place?

Once again, it just feels like noise rather than signal.

 

[I7guy]

Is that another anecdote, or are you making a gross generalization?

It’s a fact that having Apple implement choice is superior to gross regulation from govt overreach.

If you’re not interested in having a real discussion about any Apple related subject, why engage with dismissive comments in the first place?

The above is dismissive. Why engage then?

Once again, it just feels like noise rather than signal.

Ok. We all feel differently and are here to discuss it.

 

[I7guy]

So we both putting elaborating on anecdotal foundations what does ”anecdotal at best” adds to the conversation?

Is there a statistically valid poll that discusses this topic? If not we can trade anecdotes.

It sounded more like a way to dismiss someone else opinion, rather than understanding.

Posting anecdotes as facts runs rampant here.

But somehow I am not surprised.

Waste of band.

Pot kettle thing?

 

[Nuno Lopes]

Posting anecdotes as facts runs rampant here.

Yes. I think you may be guilty of that too. No?

I mean, I try to validate my points with my surroundings. Family, friends, colleagues. So in my world, as anecdotal as it might be is pretty much a fact.