Apple Explains Why It Terminated Epic's Latest Developer Account

[mcnallym]

What repeated behavior? After Apple reinstated their developer account a few years ago I thought Epic has been behaving as far as their developer account goes. Have they broken the rules since?

the behaviour of a company complaining that doesn’t like an agreement that signed upto.

Epic signed upto the developer program and launched Fortnite, then it started complaining about the terms and conditions for the agreement that they signed upto.

apple withdrew the account,


Epic signs upto the developer program so can continue to develop and then further develop the alt App Store,

immediately started complaining about the terms and conditions of the alt app stores that apple has published.

so tney have a history of signing agreements that they don’t like the terms of with apple and then breaking the terms.

 

[brofkand]

the behaviour of a company complaining that doesn’t like an agreement that signed upto.

Epic signed upto the developer program and launched Fortnite, then it started complaining about the terms and conditions for the agreement that they signed upto.

apple withdrew the account,


Epic signs upto the developer program so can continue to develop and then further develop the alt App Store,

immediately started complaining about the terms and conditions of the alt app stores that apple has published.

so tney have a history of signing agreements that they don’t like the terms of with apple and then breaking the terms.

Complaining about things they see as unfair is against the terms? Apple punishes wrongthink now?

 

[I7guy]

He’s right. Apple just reinstated Epic Sweden’s dev account after the EU requested further explanation of apple’s decision to terminate it. Therefore, the US ruling did not supersede the EU law (DMA) nor was it considered a relevant legal precedent.

It’s not about whose law is superseding whose law. It’s about a developer who intentionally tried to defraud apple. That the eu let this fraudster back in shows what the eu was really after.

 

[NagasakiGG]

Apple too couldn’t do in Germany what they did in the US: when they released the first iphone aka the original iphone they gave the exclusive right to activate it to a single carrier in each of the few countries where they sold it, and the phone was locked to that single carrier with no way to unlock it (legally, at least). Germany was the one exception Apple had to make because they already had a law that prohibited carrier-locking any mobile phones.

US people be like: iF yOu DoNt LiKe It BuY aNdRoId

 

[coredev]

Apple too couldn’t do in Germany what they did in the US: when they released the first iphone aka the original iphone they gave the exclusive right to activate it to a single carrier in each of the few countries where they sold it, and the phone was locked to that single carrier with no way to unlock it (legally, at least). Germany was the one exception Apple had to make because they already had a law that prohibited carrier-locking any mobile phones.

Not true. The first iPhone (and also following models at least up to the 4) was sold with carrier locks. I had an iPhone locked to T-Mobile, and carrier unlocking was only possible by calling a hotline and requesting it after the two-year contract was up.
That is not to say that there were iPhones sold without a carrier lock - idk. What I can say for sure is that there were carrier locked iPhones in Germany, especially for the original iPhone.

 

[lartola]

Not true. The first iPhone (and also following models at least up to the 4) was sold with carrier locks. I had an iPhone locked to T-Mobile, and carrier unlocking was only possible by calling a hotline and requesting it after the two-year contract was up.
That is not to say that there were iPhones sold without a carrier lock - idk. What I can say for sure is that there were carrier locked iPhones in Germany, especially for the original iPhone.

That was in the US. It wasn’t the same in other countries. As I said, the original iphone was sold with carrier locks everywhere but Germany. At that time Germany had already passed a law prohibiting carrier locks. I don’t doubt that Germany had carrier locks before, but not anymore by 2007 when the first iphone came out.

 

[coredev]

That was in the US. It wasn’t the same in other countries. As I said, the original iphone was sold with carrier locks everywhere but Germany. At that time Germany had already passed a law prohibiting carrier locks. I don’t doubt that Germany had carrier locks before, but not anymore by 2007 when the first iphone came out.

Why don't you believe what I said: I had a "german" original iPhone and also a 3G sold by (german) T-Mobile that was carrier locked and had to be unlocked after the 2 year contract ended. That is a fact.
I am not talking about US T-Mobile which did not even offer the original iPhone, but the german T-Mobile, brand of Deutsche Telekom.

From Wikipedia:

In Deutschland begann der Vertrieb ausschließlich über die heutige Telekom zum Preis von 399 Euro, gekoppelt mit einem auf das Telekom-Netz beschränkten SIM-Lock, im Gegenzug beteiligte die Telekom Apple an den monatlichen Umsätzen.

 

[lartola]

Why don't you believe what I said: I had a "german" original iPhone and also a 3G sold by (german) T-Mobile that was carrier locked and had to be unlocked after the 2 year contract ended. That is a fact.
I am not talking about US T-Mobile which did not even offer the original iPhone, but the german T-Mobile, brand of Deutsche Telekom.

From Wikipedia:

Oh sorry I didn’t quite get that you were talking abot T-Mobile in Germany. I apologize for my mistake. There is still a difference, however: in the US AT&T would not unlock the original iphone under any circumstances. Not even after ending the 2-year contract. US Carriers did not offer any option to unlock their phones back in 2007, they only started doing so several years after the launch of the original iphone.

 

[zarmanto]

US Carriers did not offer any option to unlock their phones back in 2007, they only started doing so several years after the launch of the original iphone.

This is true -- and they only finally acquiesced in the US because they were forced to do so in 2015.

Mind you, Germany had just about as much difficulty convincing the carriers to play nice.

Absent legislation (and regardless of location), there's plenty of evidence that the carriers have historically done anything and everything they can to lock customers in, for as long as they can. You know what they say: leopard, stripes, something, something.

 

[0339327]

Apple prevents me from enjoying Epic's content on my phone.

I find this interesting. Epic sold billions on iOS and then intentionally and purposely violated the developer rules.

I would say that Epic is the one responsible here, not Apple.