Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement

[alien3dx]

the stack manager is fine. The tasking is fine. But my question is will ipad os 16 even on m1 iPads still run iPad apps, and not Mac apps or will iPad os 16 run Mac apps as well as iPad apps? Thats what I want to know.

bravo.. you get the jackpot problem . The same chip the same ssd only diff os. If just apple remove the apple macbook air and ipad pro become macbook versitle surface clone , nobody will complain.

Now ipad -> want a15 or m2 ? Or a15 for battery or m2 for performance. Now problem create too many device and size and unmanageable.

 

[prospervic]

To all those who've been raging about this for the last week, and especially those who have written voluminous comments here (and elsewhere), consider this: is this really worth your time?

How much time (in hours) have you spent on this "controversy"? Multiply that by whatever your hourly rate (in your business or on your job). Now, take this monetary amount and extrapolate out to late September, which is when iOS 16 will be available. How many more hours NOT spent kvetching, but generating income would it take to accumulate the amount you need (minus the resale value of your current device) for either a new M2 iPad Pro, or an Apple Certified Refurbished M1 iPad (which will be available by then). You'd have 90 days to do so.

Now you have a choice. You can 1. positively focus you mind on productive activities that will get a great new iPad that runs Stage Manager, as well as includes other M1 (or M2) enhancements, or 2. continue in the victim mindset and defiantly hold tight to your aging iPad in order to prevent Evil Apple from greedily extracting more money from you. Because, after all, Apple's talk about customer experience is utter ******** and their true business motive is to oppress and gouge.

 

[dk001]

To all those who've been raging about this for the last week, and especially those who have written voluminous comments here (and elsewhere), consider this: is this really worth your time?

How much time (in hours) have you spent on this "controversy"? Multiply that by whatever your hourly rate (in your business or on your job). Now, take this monetary amount and extrapolate out to late September, which is when iOS 16 will be available. How many more hours NOT spent kvetching, but generating income would it take to accumulate the amount you need (minus the resale value of your current device) for either a new M2 iPad Pro, or an Apple Certified Refurbished M1 iPad (which will be available by then). You'd have 90 days to do so.

Now you have a choice. You can 1. positively focus you mind on productive activities that will get a great new iPad that runs Stage Manager, as well as includes other M1 (or M2) enhancements, or 2. continue in the victim mindset and defiantly hold tight to your aging iPad in order to prevent Evil Apple from greedily extracting more money from you. Because, after all, Apple's talk about customer experience is utter ******** and their true business motive is to oppress and gouge.

For me; yes.
I personally would not likely use SM on my iPad Pro 11 however I see this as a point where, right or wrong, Apple chose to split Pro support. This decidedly impacts those of us who have been clamoring for iPad Pro functionality for a couple or more years now.

 

[prospervic]

For me; yes.
I personally would not likely use SM on my iPad Pro 11 however I see this as a point where, right or wrong, Apple chose to split Pro support. This decidedly impacts those of us who have been clamoring for iPad Pro functionality for a couple or more years now.

And now it has come. Last year I upgraded from my 2018 iPad Pro to the M1 on launch day expecting this very thing, and was disappointed when iOS 15 failed to deliver. I didn't scream "I wuz robbed" at Apple, but did feel silly for not waiting until the WWDC announcement before investing $2k on a M1 12.9. That was on me. A year later, I feel vindicated in my choice.

As Steve Jobs said, that's life in the technology lane. Sometimes it goes slower than you want (iOS 15) or faster than you would like (advanced iOS 16 features).

Instead how wailing about being treated unfairly, those that did not upgrade last year could congratulate themselves for not pulling the trigger on M1 until iOS was ready for it.
That time has arrived.

 

[I7guy]

They’re a multi trillion dollar company because they know how to castrate products with restricting features.

Presenting those features as huge selling points and getting people to buy new devices early.

Criticizing apple with some hypothetical situation that can’t be proved?

 

[dk001]

And now it has come. Last year I upgraded from my 2018 iPad Pro to the M1 on launch day expecting this very thing, and was disappointed when iOS 15 failed to deliver. I didn't scream "I wuz robbed" at Apple, but did feel silly for not waiting until the WWDC announcement before investing $2k on a M1 12.9. That was on me. A year later, I feel vindicated in my choice.

As Steve Jobs said, that's life in the technology lane. Sometimes it goes slower than you want (iOS 15) or faster than you would like (advanced iOS 16 features).

Instead how wailing about being treated unfairly, those that did not upgrade last year could congratulate themselves for not pulling the trigger on M1 until iOS was ready for it.
That time has arrived.

Sad words.
Some accept. Some ignore. Some question. Some rant. (the rant is on both ends)
I question based on capability and what was shown in code. Was this an artificial line in the sand?
The outcome of this factors into whether or not I buy and what I buy of Apple products.

 

[I7guy]

Sad words.
Some accept. Some ignore. Some question. Some rant. (the rant is on both ends)
I question based on capability and what was shown in code. Was this an artificial line in the sand?
The outcome of this factors into whether or not I buy and what I buy of Apple products.

There’s a word to describe this phenomenon. It’s called buyers remorse. I’ve noticed this phenomenon with cars and houses. Of course a house isn’t a mass produced consumer discretionary item, but a car is. So is a tv and cell phone. With cars, TVs and cell phones next years model is always the model to be beat.

 

[dk001]

There’s a word to describe this phenomenon. It’s called buyers remorse. I’ve noticed this phenomenon with cars and houses. Of course a house isn’t a mass produced consumer discretionary item, but a car is. So is a tv and cell phone. With cars, TVs and cell phones next years model is always the model to be beat.

In some cases perhaps. Far from it in this case.

 

[I7guy]

In some cases perhaps. Far from it in this case.

It seems like "buyers remorse" is exactly the phenomenon being described. Not that I'm unsympathetic.

 

[dk001]

It seems like "buyers remorse" is exactly the phenomenon being described. Not that I'm unsympathetic.

How can it be buyers remorse when the M1 wasn’t even announced at that time?

 

[I7guy]

How can it be buyers remorse when the M1 wasn’t even announced at that time?

You purchase something you regret purchasing, or a new model comes out after you purchase something that has better features and you feel that twinge.

 

[duffman9000]

You purchase something you regret purchasing, or a new model comes out after you purchase something that has better features and you feel that twinge.

^ That is the epitome of buyers remorse.

 

[dk001]

You purchase something you regret purchasing, or a new model comes out after you purchase something that has better features and you feel that twinge.

Thanks for the clarification.
Wasn’t the case here for me.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

the stack manager is fine. The tasking is fine. But my question is will ipad os 16 even on m1 iPads still run iPad apps, and not Mac apps or will iPad os 16 run Mac apps as well as iPad apps? Thats what I want to know.

My expectation is no. When you look at the 400 million folks that own iPads, there likely aren’t very many of them that want to run macOS apps as the largest number of them have never used a Mac before and a large number of the remainder are using them for consumption and that doesn’t require macOS apps.

 

[Ludatyk]

And now it has come. Last year I upgraded from my 2018 iPad Pro to the M1 on launch day expecting this very thing, and was disappointed when iOS 15 failed to deliver. I didn't scream "I wuz robbed" at Apple, but did feel silly for not waiting until the WWDC announcement before investing $2k on a M1 12.9. That was on me. A year later, I feel vindicated in my choice.

As Steve Jobs said, that's life in the technology lane. Sometimes it goes slower than you want (iOS 15) or faster than you would like (advanced iOS 16 features).

Instead how wailing about being treated unfairly, those that did not upgrade last year could congratulate themselves for not pulling the trigger on M1 until iOS was ready for it.
That time has arrived.

This was my thoughts exactly. However, in the disappointment crowd… there were people who decided to return their M1 iPad Pros due to Apple not releasing features designed specifically for it.

And I'm curious, if Apple announced Stage Manager then... would there be a lot of criticism?

 

[prospervic]

This was my thoughts exactly. However, in the disappointment crowd… there were people who decided to return their M1 iPad Pros due to Apple not releasing features designed specifically for it.

And I'm curious, if Apple announced Stage Manager then... would there be a lot of criticism?

There would still be criticism, mostly from the people who felt that Apple failed to deliver on Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro for iPad (as was “promised” by tech blog leakers).

 

[Ludatyk]

There would still be criticism, mostly from the people who felt that Apple failed to deliver on Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro for iPad (as was “promised” by tech blog leakers).

Well, yeah.. that comes with the territory. What I’m referring to are the 2018/2020 iPad Pro users? That’s the users who are emphatically upset over the decision.

In addition to that… what if Apple delivered on Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro on the iPad specifically for the M1, would those users claim that it should be on 2018/2020 models too? I think the main issue is.. those users are fearful of being left behind. Perhaps, it’s too soon of a decision of Apple to limit Stage Manager to M1.

 

[Unregistered 4U]

And I'm curious, if Apple announced Stage Manager then... would there be a lot of criticism?

Yes, criticism gets attention, so there will always be criticism, founded on fact or not. Anyone buying any product today WILL be left behind sooner or later, whether it’s tomorrow or 6 years from now.

 

[dk001]

Well, yeah.. that comes with the territory. What I’m referring to are the 2018/2020 iPad Pro users? That’s the users who are emphatically upset over the decision.

In addition to that… what if Apple delivered on Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro on the iPad specifically for the M1, would those users claim that it should be on 2018/2020 models too? I think the main issue is.. those users are fearful of being left behind. Perhaps, it’s too soon of a decision of Apple to limit Stage Manager to M1.

@prospervic

I suspect many, including myself, see this as an artificial "line in the sand" to justify cutting off 2018/2020 users from future "Pro apps" or additional functions.

If SM was available when the M1 came out, I suspect the same issues, questions, and angst raised in these threads would have been pretty much the same.

 

[mark63303]

You bought a 2020 non-M1 Apple iPad and were happy with it, but now you aren’t because a newer version with an updated processor offers an additional feature? Stop your whining. This is how all consumer products work, it’s not just Apple doing this. It’s called innovation, and innovation doesn’t have to look backward.

 

[Ludatyk]

Yes, criticism gets attention, so there will always be criticism, founded on fact or not. Anyone buying any product today WILL be left behind sooner or later, whether it’s tomorrow or 6 years from now.

Well, I get there will be criticism. But the amount of attention this has drawn seems overwhelming.. I wonder what will be the middle ground. Apple gives a half version of Stage Manager? 2 windows displayed on the screen compared to 4? One that gives the feature on the device itself without external monitor support?

It’s as if 2018/2020 iPP users would care to have part of the feature than none at all, but Siracusa of ATP podcast mentioned the amount of time and effort Apple has a factor in it as well. Not only do they have to tweak it to fit those users, but fixing the bugs within Stage Manager too.

 

[prospervic]

@prospervic

I suspect many, including myself, see this as an artificial "line in the sand" to justify cutting off 2018/2020 users from future "Pro apps" or additional functions.

To what end? To fulfill what corporate mission?
I’m sorry, but this line of thinking just strikes me as petty.

Do people really believe that a huge corporation like Apple that makes products beloved all over the world and takes great pains to serve customers in many countries and in many languages, and has a decades-long reputation of excellent customer service and product quality, as well as a commitment to pushing the envelope in technology, is still so chintzy that they would exert time and effort just to coerce a relative handful of customers (iPad Pro sales numbers are tiny in comparison to the basic iPad) into upgrading their devices before they really want to?

What? Are vice presidents of marketing and engineering going to get big year-end bonuses for doing this? If someone is successful and earns big profits does that necessarily make them a conniving crook? Apple is one of the few corporations I genuinely feel good about doing business with because my interactions with them over the past 18 years have been 85-90% positive, and i’ve most always felt they treated me decently.

Those who really want to experience being abused and ripped-off should try dealing with money-grubbing craptastic corporations like Comcast.

 

[dk001]

To what end? To fulfill what corporate mission?
I’m sorry, but this line of thinking just strikes me as petty.

Do people really believe that a huge corporation like Apple that makes products beloved all over the world and takes great pains to serve customers in many countries and in many languages, and has a decades-long reputation of excellent customer service and product quality, as well as a commitment to pushing the envelope in technology, is still so chintzy that they would exert time and effort just to coerce a relative handful of customers (iPad Pro sales numbers are tiny in comparison to the basic iPad) into upgrading their devices before they really want to?

What? Are vice presidents of marketing and engineering going to get big year-end bonuses for doing this? If someone is successful and earns big profits does that necessarily make them a conniving crook? Apple is one of the few corporations I genuinely feel good about doing business with because my interactions with them over the past 18 years have been 85-90% positive, and i’ve most always felt they treated me decently.

Those who really want to experience being abused and ripped-off should try dealing with money-grubbing craptastic corporations like Comcast.

Actually yes.
Apple has been known to push the issues to drive sales. iPad sales didn't do as expected. I can see that possibility.
Aside from the sales aspect, there has been a significant concern over the lack of "Pro" functionality and apps since the first "Pro" iPad.

It isn't so much the functionality of SM rather the flag it represents to many: arbitrarily tossed aside.

 

[I7guy]

Actually yes.
Apple has been known to push the issues to drive sales.

How do?

iPad sales didn't do as expected.

Wasn’t it mentioned that due to supply chain issues?

I can see that possibility.
Aside from the sales aspect, there has been a significant concern over the lack of "Pro" functionality and apps since the first "Pro" iPad.

Pro is moniker.

It isn't so much the functionality of SM rather the flag it represents to many: arbitrarily tossed aside.

I don’t think it represents any flag of being tossed aside. Ymmv.

 

[prospervic]

Actually yes.
Apple has been known to push the issues to drive sales. iPad sales didn't do as expected. I can see that possibility.

I often see this claim being made about Apple on these forums. It would be helpful for once if someone would provide examples with evidence.