Last year people complained because Apple didn’t put in any new features in iPadOS to take advantage of the M1. This year, Apple did just that, and of course, people are complaining.
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Apple Explains Why Stage Manager is Limited to M1 iPads in New Statement
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Two issues that should help understand the issue.
1. They didn't add M1 to newer devices.
2. The M1 requirement was arbitrary.
So is the iPad 9th gen not a tablet? It’s around the same dimensions as iPad Pro 11.
Getting a physical keyboard/mouse is entirely optional on any iPad be it regular, Air or Pro.
Desktop, laptop, tablet, convertibles/2-in-1 are decided by the form factor. The iPad Pros are large tablets but they’re tablets nonetheless.
There are 8 lb laptops and the Apple Mac mini is 2.6 lbs. Does that make the Mac mini a laptop?
Nah, just pointing out you agree that the mini doesn't deserve all the OS16 features of an M1 iPad.
1. Apple added the M1 to the iPad Air at the end of 2021.
2. Most decisions are “arbitrary.” Apple explained why they limited it to the M1, and the reasons given make sense. Could they implement it on the A12Z? Perhaps, but it would not work as well.
Yes, it would would work as well. Full MacOS was being run on an A12Z at perfectly acceptable speeds. Again, *full Mac OS*. Window management has been a feature on computers for THIRTY YEARS, this isn’t cutting edge stuff.
Apple wanted to sell newer iPads. It’s obvious and they’re within their right to do it, but lying about the reason is lame as hell and defending their explanation is legitimately pathetic.
People keep claiming Apple is lying but have provided no proof. Apple said it wouldn't provide the experence users expect, and thus didn't implement it. That's their opinion, and people can disagree, but that doesn't mean Apple is lying nor those who defend or try to explain it are pathetic.
Just did not understand your context. Thx.
I was looking to replace my laptop with an iPad. No joy.
1. The M1 iPad Air was released in March 2022.
2. I think it’s possible the feature would work fine. It’s just getting it to that point may take a lot more time and resources for development and testing that they didn’t want to expend. The 2018-2020 iPad Pro models likely represent less than 5% of their user base and aren’t really generating a lot of new revenue for Apple now.
Depends on where you place the cutoff. When viewed as the latest generation of iPads, 3/5 have the M1. As far as the Mini, the M1 may run too hot or use too much power for the small chassis. Or maybe Apple will release an 8" iPad Pro next year. There would be no reason to put Stage Manager on the base iPad 9; people already say that SM is cramped the 11" Air/Pro screen and it doesn't have USB-C to drive an external display.
It's Apple users. If Apple sent everyone a $100 bill some would complain it wasn't two fifties and others that 5 twenties is better.
I would say anything over a year old is old. 2/3 iPads released in the past year don’t have M1. And stage manager on a second display solves any issues that might be due to the iPad not having enough screen. Although the mini runs three apps at once just fine, so I doubt it would be an issue. And it has USB C, so that’s not an issue either.
The iPad9 has a smallish screen and doesn't have USB-C so it doesn't really matter that it wont get Stage Manager. That brings your 2/3 to 50%. The iPad Pros were released less than a year-and-a-month ago so that's close enough to your cut off. 75% of the newest iPads that can drive an external monitor with USB-C have an M1.
Where did you get the arbitrary need for a USB C connection? All iPads can already use a second display wirelessly.
The cut-off for new was already defined here as 1 year. A month or day is irrelevant. They are old. Even so, if you went into Apple before March and said give me the newest iPad you would not have received an M1 iPad. That's what matters.
If that wireless connection is satisfactory, then you didn't need Stage Manager in the first place and the M1 requirement is irrelevant to you.
If you went in and said "Give me the newest iPad" they wouldn't give you an iPad without first trying explain the differences. If you interrupted them and said "Don't care I want the newest" well... you kind of deserve not getting one with an M1. If you want a laptop, but only say "Give me the newest computer" without letting the employee help you further, you don't get to complain about how the Mac Studio has no screen and horrible battery life.
PS. Back in March, all M1 iPads were within your 'newest' grouping. In February, 50% of iPads that could drive an external display with USB-C had an M1. After March 8, 75% had an M1.
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Um... what? The wireless display feature is not mutually exclusive to Stage Manager. That's like saying you don't need copy and paste if you have a blu-ray drive.
No offense to Apple retail, but the scenario you suggested has never happened to me. They often grab the wrong product, so the idea that they would explain the difference between devices is unrealistic. A customer who says "I want the new iPad" would get whatever iPad just came out. They wouldn't ask any additional questions except maybe color, capacity, or connectivity.
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do you have a source?
The only thing i really find when i try to search is a report from Statista in 2019 that Windows has 72% of the marketshare and that Linux has 13%.
Well, I think we can say that it would not work as well, since 6 GB of RAM isn't the same as 8 or 16, and faster disks are faster than slower disks. So you'd reach your RAM limit faster, and when you got there, the system performance would degrade even more.
If the entire accusation is that greedy apple is withholding Stage Manager because it wants to encourage updates and sell new iPads, then greedy apple would tell its salespeople to always try get the customer to buy a more expensive version of what they came in for. So they would always mention the benefits of the M1 Pros to upsell instead of just giving that February person the cheapest base iPad or Mini, which were the newest then and the least expensive iPads. Heck they would even mention the iPad Air because they could try sell a Magic Keyboard.
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desktop os mostly like that ,but what we argue before server os . Like red hat , fedora , ubuntu server . Everywhere vps and hosting or internal mail server using unix/linux and still exist some using microsoft windows server /exchange / ad . But to said server os segment 70% windows is dam odd.
The report is specifically server market: https://www.statista.com/statistics/915085/global-server-share-by-os/
I think some of y'all may never have worked in an enterprise environment or have only dealt with web development and not infrastructure.
Doing some additional research while making this reply and I found this report which indicates that Linux has 80% of the web server market share: https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux
I've seen some older versions of this report that put the number at 96%, which falls more in line with the original person I replied to. If you wanted to say that Linux has a vast majority of the web server market, I'm on board. But it isn't used in the majority of all server applications.
It seems odd the 2020 iPad which was the first to get a Magic Keyboard and desktop features is excluded from the new Desktop features 2 years later. Those iPads are getting the virtual memory features. I can understand the external display controller not being up to spec, but these iPads should have received support on just the internal display IMHO.
The 8GB M1 can show 8 apps at a time with external display. Surely the 2020 with 6GB can show 4 apps at a time on built-in display.
I guess Ventura only supports the last 4-6 years of Macs depending on model (worse if purchased late in the cycle), so maybe deprecation is just speeding up.
The 8GB M1 can show 8 apps at a time with external display. Surely the 2020 with 6GB can show 4 apps at a time on built-in display.
I guess Ventura only supports the last 4-6 years of Macs depending on model (worse if purchased late in the cycle), so maybe deprecation is just speeding up.
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It’s funny that I’ve had Apple sales people try to meet my needs with a less expensive model. They ask useful questions like, what do I do for a living and what’s my intended usage. How dare they try to sell me a less expensive model.