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I think it is pretty idiotic that various countries around the world could not have worked together to agree upon one or two frequency bands for LTE globally.

Nice idea, but back in reality, the (usable) radio spectrum is a very limited resource that different countries have, for historical reasons stretching back to the dawn of broadcasting, divided up in different ways.

In many countries, LTE is fitting into space freed up by the demise of analogue TV broadcasting - where that space is, and when it will be freed up, varies from country to country. Also, where you have several independent countries close together, there is the whole can of worms cause by radio waves not stopping at a country's borders - so if your neighbouring country is still using analogue tv...

Some bits of the spectrum are "owned" (or leased) by particular firms. For example, in the UK there is a particular problem that one huge mobile carrier, formed by a merger, already owns a huge chunk of already free frequencies that could be used by LTE. If the government allows LTE on that frequency before the analogue TV switchover has finished and the new frequencies auctioned off, it hands a huge monopoly on LTE to one firm.
 
Frankly, if they do then the Australian consumers deserve it. It's not Apple's fault that ALL of the literature and website clearly state that it's carrier-dependent and that people there were too lazy to actually read.

No reason to ruin a good story with facts.
 
The problem as I understand it.

Company X makes a device that is Nth generation compatible.
They sell it in Country Y which is at N-1th generation network.
Citizens of Country Y complain because their N-1 network is old technology.
Citizens of Country Y can still use the Nth generation device in other Nth generation network countries.

Aussies, stop whining and spend your legal dollars on upgrading your networks.

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Complete crap. A 5G phone is still a 5G phone whether there is a network it works on.

Analogy, is a BlueRay disc still a BlueRay disc if you don't have a BlueRay player, but instead only a DVD player?

Sorry mate but you seem to have no understanding about consumer protection laws. USA and Canada are using different frequency in their 4G LTE networks then rest of the world. Since the new iPad works only in Candian and US LTE networks Apple isn't allowed to advertise such feature since its not available in the country of purchase.
 
I would blame the carrier for using a different frequency. It's the same reason I don't have any sympathy for T-Mobile in the US when they cry about not getting the iPhone. At least T-Mobile is trying to fix the problem themselves.

lol blame the carrier?? are you serious?
 
It really interferes with my lifestyle every time I'm fined $1.9 million. I have to give up one of my many vacation homes or stop taking my private jet when I go to the mall.

For Apple it's nothing. Pay the fine out of petty cash and move on.
 
For me, HSPA+ is as much 4G as LTE, since neither qualify to be called actual 4G. I just think the G terminology should go away until the standards board can be better at specifying it
 
This is where marketing and research pays off. Anytime you are internationally known, it pays to do your homework on home base.

I agree with the fact that for Apple, this is probably like us paying for a $20 ticket for not wearing a seatbelt.

Resolve is good in the situation by changing the wording on their main website to prevent further legal problems.
 
regardless how much money apple makes they dont like to lose money even if it is piss in a bucket to them. my only question is where do they come up with these fine costs.
 
Sorry mate but you seem to have no understanding about consumer protection laws. USA and Canada are using different frequency in their 4G LTE networks then rest of the world. Since the new iPad works only in Candian and US LTE networks Apple isn't allowed to advertise such feature since its not available in the country of purchase.

Before I go taking the piss from all the Australians, let me say that I missed the frequency thing. I deserve all the crap. I was wrong.

Next time I am down under, I'll treat everyone to a skippy burger at Burger King. :)
 
Two million? They probably left that as a tip at the last company breakfast meeting.

It's not much money for Apple. However, I'm sure there is a small group of marketing people responsible for the launch of the new iPad in Australia, and a small group responsible for the launch in New Zealand, and so on, and if Apple actually has to pay this fine, then those responsible for the launch in Australia will get a major telling off for this avoidable problem.
 
First of all, we do have LTE here, it runs on 1800MHz, which Apple does not support and I would say that hearing Americans whine about their crappy 3G service with AT&T and whoever else operates in your country is also a sign for your people who have one of the highest sue rates to also spend some money upgrading them.

I second that. Everyone complains about "wrongs" done against them. Seems hypocritical to insult Australians because they win a small amount of money compared to the insane legals that go on in America all the time. Fact is it is misleading advertising and if it weren't compatible with US 4G networks the same type of legal action would occure. The legal action isn't about money, it's about fair consumer treatment. Mind you, everyone seems to be getting handouts from Apple through the legals lastly, why not a consumer right organization.
 
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I wonder how some of these responses would differ if it were Samsung or HTC who were fined for this exact same reason.
 
It's not much money for Apple. However, I'm sure there is a small group of marketing people responsible for the launch of the new iPad in Australia, and a small group responsible for the launch in New Zealand, and so on, and if Apple actually has to pay this fine, then those responsible for the launch in Australia will get a major telling off for this avoidable problem.

It wasn't just a problem in Australia, Apple did the same thing in the UK (and other countries) and got in trouble - eventually having to remove all references to 4G from the product name and their website etc.

This mistake was made at Apple HQ, most likely someone quite high up.
 
They should pass the cost of this directly on to the consumer in Australia and put up big signs everywhere telling them exactly why they're doing it.

Dumb Aussies ... They'll never learn

Wiskey Tango Foxtrot?! Pass the cost of a fine that was leveled against Apple because of misleading advertizing, and this means that the consumers are "Dumb Aussies"?

Given that you don't seem to understand the issues, here, you're one to talk...
 
Wiskey Tango Foxtrot?! Pass the cost of a fine that was leveled against Apple because of misleading advertizing, and this means that the consumers are "Dumb Aussies"?

Given that you don't seem to understand the issues, here, you're one to talk...

Mistake was made, was followed by apology and offer to buy back iPads from everyone who felt cheated.

Now to fine them is just lawyers/politicians linning their pockets.

Pass cost on to consumer and let the lawyers/politicians explain it to the media and their constituents.

So yes ... Dumb Aussies
 
Apple pays the crying sissies money so now I hope they learn to read the fineprint next time you but a 600 dollar product!!
 
What started as a thread on a specific marketing error quickly descends into a showcase of American arrogance.
 
It wasn't just a problem in Australia, Apple did the same thing in the UK (and other countries) and got in trouble - eventually having to remove all references to 4G from the product name and their website etc.

This mistake was made at Apple HQ, most likely someone quite high up.

Apple didn't get into any trouble in the UK. Having to change an advertisement, especially having to change it to the way it should have been in the first place, isn't "trouble", and that is all that happened (and could happen) in the UK.

What "other countries"?
 
Dumb Aussies ...

You guys really shouldn't descend to racist insults.

We have a 4G network in Australia. Apple didn't do their research and make the new iPad work with it. To then advertise that it does is false advertising. There are consumer protection laws in place to prevent this.

End of story.
 
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