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I don't consider the iPhone (or iPad) as special and deserving of such a god-tier status that is immune from competition on it's own turf, or platform.



You get to make that choice by deciding where you download or install apps from.
Sadly I don’t, because the ability to download the apps from somewhere else means the platform is open, therefore isn’t a closed platform for me to chose from. We need to make sure consumers have the choice of both options.

This would be like saying Android is a closed platform if you only install apps from the play store, which is clearly nonsense. It’s the ability to source apps from other sources that makes the platform open or closed.
 
I don't consider the iPhone (or iPad) as special and deserving of such a god-tier status that is immune from competition on it's own turf, or platform.

It's not, but a company has a right to decide how its platform works. The competition needs to develop their own product and win on its merits; not by forcing a company to let them on their turf.
 
It is, but it is non-competitive to sell a product then be the only source of accessing content for it and charging a fee (most of the time) to provide that content. It is no different than one of the shaving razor companies buying up all the other manufacturers and being the only option out there for supplies. Their prices would go way up as they have no one that can compete with them and it is a product many people need/want. Apple just started at the end of my example, instead of the beginning where they app store is concerned. Yes people can buy other phones/devices but if they want Apple they get stuck with only one option and that is anti-competitive to a T.
It depends on how you define competitive. There can be and is within-ecosystem competition. There is no between-system competition because there is not an alternative system (OS or even app store) on iPhones. Many of us do not care about a lack of between-system competition. If I cared, I'd go back to Android but then I'd lose the integration (iPhone, Mac, iPad, Apple Watch) I value highly.
 
Why should they? Apple doesn't have a monopoly on macOS. Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly on Windows. VW doesn't have a monopoly on my vehicle. Nintendo doesn't have a monopoly on my kid's Switch. The list goes on, and on, and on.

What makes iOS and iPadOS so special? (hint, they aren't)
It's Apple's and that's how they choose for it to be. End of story.
 
As compared to companies such as Nintendo and Sony whose online platforms also lock developers and customers in and prevent them from using third party payment options?

If a practice is unfair, then the government should target all companies equally, regardless of size, not just Apple. Else, it's a witch hunt, nothing more.

It's crucial to recognize the distinction between essential items, such as smartphones and cars (especially in certain regions), and non-essential luxury items, like video game systems and side-by-sides.

While both Honda Civics and Polaris side-by-sides are four-wheeled vehicles, they are subject to different regulations due to their intended use and potential impact. It doesn't make sense to apply the same safety standards to both.
 
It's crucial to recognize the distinction between essential items, such as smartphones and cars (especially in certain regions), and non-essential luxury items, like video game systems and side-by-sides.

While both Honda Civics and Polaris side-by-sides are four-wheeled vehicles, they are subject to different regulations due to their intended use and potential impact. It doesn't make sense to apply the same safety standards to both.
Smartphones aren’t essential items, which is the issue with that argument.
 
It's funny how that guy from MercadoLibre thinks Apple is abusive. If you sell through MercadoLibre, they push their MercadoPago (MarketPay) payment system to sellers. Once you sell something via their platform, you have to wait at least 8 business days to see your money, no interest rates paid to you due to the delay (and they do use your money in the stocks market to make profits during that time they call "warranty period for the buyer".)

They do charge you immediately a 15% commission for using their platform as soon as a transaction is confirmed, as well as around 15% to 18% fees for the MercadoEnvíos (MarketShipments) shipping and handling services they force onto you. They don't even pickup the goods, you have to take them to a MercadoEnvíos agency. You end up paying around 30% on fees for selling regular items like books, clothes, music instruments, etc., leaving you with basically beans for profits. And if a buyer is abusive, they can claim they didn't receive the package, and MercadoLibre barely protects you as a seller since they'll give back the money immediately to the buyer (via MarketPay of course) no questions asked, and won't even lift a finger to return to you as soon as possible the item you sold. There are shipping agencies that receive empty boxes without even checking what type of item should be returned to them. They basically function as an accomplice to thieves.

There are a lot of horror stories from people that sold their laptops or smartphones in MercadoLibre (including my brother) and lost the device and their money. That's why I stopped buying and selling from them. They get worse every year.

They complain about Apple's integrated ecosystem, but they do the same with all of their crappy MarketSomething services. Hypocrisy at its best.
 
It's not, but a company has a right to decide how its platform works. The competition needs to develop their own product and win on its merits; not by forcing a company to let them on their turf.
What are you going on about the competition needs to develop their own product?
So app developers are now competitors with a mobile phone maker because some want alternative payment methods
 
Smartphones aren’t essential items, which is the issue with that argument.
Your argument is fundamentally wrong because if you are under retirement age a mobile device is essential to your daily lifestyle as you now need one
 
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What are you going on about the competition needs to develop their own product?
So app developers are now competitors with a mobile phone maker because some want alternative payment methods
No, Microsoft, Samsung, LG, OnePlus are the competitors who should be creating their own OS and ecosystem to provide competition for app developers.
 
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No it’s not. It’s optional. There’s nothing I can do on my phone that can’t be achieved another way.
Ok how do you take a phone call when you are out & about?
How do you send emails when your out & about?
It’s not the 1950’s mate we live in a technology based society that everything is now designed towards the mobile phone being central for most things
 
Surely $43k per day will bankrupt Apple, in... like 63,000 years?
it’s not about if they can afford to pay it or not they are a business & this is a loss so what will end up happening is they will eventually agree to brazils terms it’s only a matter of time
 
So strange to me that multiple countries around the world are taking issue with Apple's business practices. I'm starting to think that they've been actually implementing unfair policies and requirements.

Unfair? If you go shopping in Wallmart their own store, you also have checkout and pay at Wallmart and not at CostCo? That is how every store works.
 
Ok how do you take a phone call when you are out & about?
How do you send emails when your out & about?
It’s not the 1950’s mate we live in a technology based society that everything is now designed towards the mobile phone being central for most things

On your laptop.
 
On your laptop.
So 2 things
How do you make & accept phone calls on a laptop when your out?
So you’re going to carry a laptop about with you instead of something you can fit in your pocket?
It’s not the 1990’s
 
Unfair? If you go shopping in Wallmart their own store, you also have checkout and pay at Wallmart and not at CostCo? That is how every store works.
The big difference is for example Walmart pay Coca Cola an agreement to supply their products in their stores
 
Ok how do you take a phone call when you are out & about?
How do you send emails when your out & about?
It’s not the 1950’s mate we live in a technology based society that everything is now designed towards the mobile phone being central for most things
You don’t need a smartphone to make a phone call when out and about, a ‘dumb’ phone will do that too.

I can send an email when I’m back home on my computer.

Is it more convenient on a smartphone? Yes!

Is it essential to use a smartphone? No.

We can see from the use of the phrase ‘more convenient’ that the smartphone is not essential.
 
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You don’t need a smartphone to make a phone call when out and about, a ‘dumb’ phone will do that too.

I can send an email when I’m back home on my home
And yet you must own a smartphone because your on this website
If you are under retirement age you can’t get by in current life without a smartphone it’s not possible.
You can’t use a dumb phone to access job related activities like universal credit that my niece has to use
 
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And yet you must own a smartphone because your on this website
If you are under retirement age you can’t get by in current life without a smartphone it’s not possible.
You can’t use a dumb phone to access job related activities like universal credit that my niece has to use
Why would I need a smartphone to access this website?

Universal credit administration is available on the .gov website. You don’t need a smartphone to access this.

 
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Why would I need a smartphone to access this website?

Universal credit administration is available on the .gov website. You don’t need a smartphone to access this.

When you are on universal credit they tell you to access your journal at all times
That’s what your work coach tell you to do
You need to be able to access it at all times to accept comments
Like answering emails that they send you when your out & about.
If you actually used the service you would know that
Your on a tech site yet you don’t own a smartphone
In this day and age you need a smartphone to even get supermarket discounts like Asda rewards
 
So 2 things
How do you make & accept phone calls on a laptop when your out?
So you’re going to carry a laptop about with you instead of something you can fit in your pocket?
It’s not the 1990’s

Do you even have a job? People have calls all the time on computers.
 
The big difference is for example Walmart pay Coca Cola an agreement to supply their products in their stores

CostCo is not Coca Cola. Costco is a competitor of WallMart.

And you won’t be shopping and WallMart at paying at CostCo either.

If you shop in Apple their own store, you pay at Apple too like in every other store in the world. Demanding that Apple is not allowed to do this is a witch hunt.
 
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