Horrible, just horrible...because things like that really have some sort of actual meaning that makes a difference behind them.
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Apple Faces Yet Another Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Secretly Throttling' Older iPhones
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I understand the idea as to why Apple is slowing down the older phones. But I do think Apple Could have been more transparent and upfront about it.
Same exact thing happening with my 7. Battery life is 2/3 or probably even 1/2 of what it was.
Apple secretly throttled devices significantly, without telling so much as their own techs apparently, on newer devices with batteries that Apple's own diagnostics report as "Healthy" and Apple would not replace, even if the customer would wanted to pay themselves.
Conveniently, when people brought their now slow devices to an Apple store, they were not informed that the battery could even possibly be a culprit, and instead it's just the usual, well you know how devices get slower with age and [forced/permanent] updates.
The whole thing is sleazy and dishonest.
You're one of the few people who correctly recalls the experience and what the lawsuits are ultimately about. The harm wasn't the throttling. It was Apple's dishonesty when affected customers sought help. The trigger/reason for the throttling wasn't disclosed. The solution (battery replacement) was withheld. The result: people needlessly purchased new phones if they wanted satisfaction.
Of course it is. It has more features, different graphics, more robust apps, enhanced Siri, enhanced syncing with the cloud. Do you also expect to get in better and better shape as you age?
If someone has had a hotmail address for 20 years and that is the email address that all of their banking, etc. contacts have, for what reason would they change it if it still works? And what does that have to do with someone still using an iPhone 4? It's not remotely the same thing.
I have had a hotmail address since '99 and it's still a valid email address even though hotmail doesn't technically exist. It goes to my MS email. I see no reason to ever change it and will probably have it until I die.
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It's not even really all that different compared to someone using iPhone 4 in the sense that it really doesn't say anything or play some sort of a role in something, one way or another.
Someone using outdated, almost unusable tech is very different from someone using a valid, working email address so I found the comparison odd. I see what you're saying though.
Its funny seeing the same names constnatly defend Apple defending secretly throttling as "nothing"
This isn't the typical OS updates issue. this was intentional misleading by Apple to throttle devices without informing them of why.
Then they lied when asked.
then admitted fault and did a battery program.
If Apple had been truthful from day 1 about the design flaw, there would be no lawsuits. it would have been moved on. But there was so much wrong in the way Apple handled this specific issue that there likely should be some form of financial penalty for it's misleading and obfuscating behaviour.
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This would likely be normal behaviour unrelated to the lawsuits at hand.
Lithium Ion Batteries. Which are pretty much the standard tech have limited lifecycles. Each time you charge and discharge them, they lose retention capabilities.
However, while your battery does not last as long, a simple swap should bring that back up to it's original length. In addition, there should be no noticable slowdown of performance due to battery degradation. However, new versions of OS's do bring new features which require additional overhead, which may make newer OS's on older phones feel sluggish in certain situations.
This isn't the typical OS updates issue. this was intentional misleading by Apple to throttle devices without informing them of why.
Then they lied when asked.
then admitted fault and did a battery program.
If Apple had been truthful from day 1 about the design flaw, there would be no lawsuits. it would have been moved on. But there was so much wrong in the way Apple handled this specific issue that there likely should be some form of financial penalty for it's misleading and obfuscating behaviour.
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This would likely be normal behaviour unrelated to the lawsuits at hand.
Lithium Ion Batteries. Which are pretty much the standard tech have limited lifecycles. Each time you charge and discharge them, they lose retention capabilities.
However, while your battery does not last as long, a simple swap should bring that back up to it's original length. In addition, there should be no noticable slowdown of performance due to battery degradation. However, new versions of OS's do bring new features which require additional overhead, which may make newer OS's on older phones feel sluggish in certain situations.
Can’t believe people still defend Apple on this, but I’m not surprised by the blind loyalty either..
Cook even admitted (made the excuse) sales of new phones were down because of the battery replacement program....or considered another way, that sales in the past had been higher because folks were not made aware of that option, initiative or had been inhibited and discouraged from replacing the battery to solve legitimate issues with their phones.
The deceit was clear and I personally don’t buy the explanation given after they were caught that they were prolonging the life of the phones. They were desperately trying to avoid a) the embarrassment of a major design flaw and b) a huge warranty liability for what was then the most successful iPhone model ever. (Sales numbers)
What’s ironic are the various responses. I think what Apple did could have been better coordinated, but I do not think there was a conspiracy motive behind it. And since I was allegedly in the target audience I earned the right to say it was not an issue for me and I dont think there was any engineering or other defects other than wearing li-ion batteries.
Performance was throttled, to hide the speed at which iPhones used up a consumable part - the battery. A phone that chews up its battery faster, will not look as good on a comparison, to one which doesn't.
It's the equivalent of your printer maker reducing the achievable quality, and therefore ink use, of your prints after you've purchased it, so that you don't get sticker shock over the cost of inks, which might cause you to buy a different brand of printer.
It's the equivalent of your printer maker reducing the achievable quality, and therefore ink use, of your prints after you've purchased it, so that you don't get sticker shock over the cost of inks, which might cause you to buy a different brand of printer.
For li-ion battery that's fairly poor battery health. You might want to check if throttling is enabled in battery settings, and consider replacing the battery as well.
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Seems like the reasoning was something different than that.
It would be extremely difficult to prove as battery life can be affected by so many things. Just as an FYI, batteries are hard coded to reduce charge level at certain points. So at X cycles it will only charge to X mAh, then at X cycles it will drop again and so on.
“Your” new iPhone prices are a drag on my limited income. As long as Apple continues to sell phones that are 5-6 generations old (add on the years that a consumer reasonably expect, and deserve, it to work) it is their obligation to at least support the OS it was shipped with.
Bingo. They were hoping to avoid attention and tried to sweep the issue under the proverbial rug.
This is a downward spiral now..
Few million get hooked, everyone wants a piece of the pie.. Apple can't get away from this... they've also gave a better indication of battery heath..
What more do you want? Al-Capone dance on a flag pole?
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Few million get hooked, everyone wants a piece of the pie.. Apple can't get away from this... they've also gave a better indication of battery heath..
What more do you want? Al-Capone dance on a flag pole?
edits.. ah.. we have lift-off
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The lawsuit won't help, but my iPhone 6 definitely got screwed by the throttling. Like, the keyboard lagged so badly I could barely type. I was just about to go back to my 5 when they released the update that removed the throttling, and now it's fine.
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P.S. Nice Mac Pro
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At the time, the affected phones were only one gen old, right? What's pathetic is if I buy a new one, I can't plug it into my aux. Please tell me what I'm supposed to care about in the new phone, other than waterproofing kinda, given that I'm just a regular user trying to message my friends and call my Ubers.
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Good thing they're going to keep doing that, and there's nothing you can do about it. :^)
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Performing a task at half speed with half the wattage still results in the same power consumption. CPUs don't scale down linearly, so it must've been more consumption actually. The CPU isn't the phone's only energy consumer, so that's even more consumption (more time spent keeping the screen awake before going back to sleep). I felt like my battery was draining more, but frustration due to laggy buttons tends to bias that.
P.S. Nice Mac Pro
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It was never a problem with the other phones. It looks like they screwed up the hardware then tried to hide the software patch that tried to deal with it. The patch was also a screwup cause it throttled the phone way too much.
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At some point it's more reliable if you don't worry about making it repairable. Seriously, who has RAM fail in a MacBook nowadays? If you're one of the unlucky few, it's still fixable, just costs more.
What they did was criminal, plain and simple. It inflated sales by forcing people to newer devices while masking their failed batteries and software which should have been recalled, they did what they did to boost sales and avoid recalls. No different than car manufacturers hiding defects which result in deaths, all to avoid costly recalls.
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The lawsuit won't help, but my iPhone 6 definitely got screwed by the throttling. Like, the keyboard lagged so badly I could barely type. I was just about to go back to my 5 when they released the update that removed the throttling, and now it's fine.
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At the time, the affected phones were only one gen old, right? What's pathetic is if I buy a new one, I can't plug it into my aux. Please tell me what I'm supposed to care about in the new phone, other than waterproofing kinda, given that I'm just a regular user trying to message my friends and call my Ubers.
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Good thing they're going to keep doing that, and there's nothing you can do about it. :^)
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Performing a task at half speed with half the wattage still results in the same power consumption. CPUs don't scale down linearly, so it must've been more consumption actually. The CPU isn't the phone's only energy consumer, so that's even more consumption (more time spent keeping the screen awake before going back to sleep). I felt like my battery was draining more, but frustration due to laggy buttons tends to bias that.
P.S. Nice Mac Pro
The batteries and management were defective. Phones were shutting off at 80%, 73%, 39%, all different percentages of battery remaining. It was some type of software/battery glitch that they wanted to avoid. I am personally pissed because my phone was effected before they admitted their fault and the battery replacements. I brought in my phone, it would shut off at all different percentages, and didn’t power back on until plugged into a wall. That was the classic sign, it wouldn’t even power back on! MILLIONS of phones did this, and rather own up to it and issue a recall, they did a software fix to where they slowed the devices so radically that it wouldn’t occur. Shady and they deserve to lose billions upon billions. Users should be reimbursed and receive checks or payments as part of the settlement.