Apple Facing Class Action Lawsuit Over 'Error 53' iPhone 6 Bricking

[ddvalk]

BINGO. The cost of replacement/repair falls to the third-party repairman because he failed to re-sync the TouchID or did not know how.

There isn't a re-sync process. It's "use the original or die". That's the problem - Apple doesn't state clearly that you cannot replace the Touch-ID sensor. Or that if you do and try to update your phone OS it'll brick.

Why not simply refuse to perform the update without bricking the phone?

 

[LV426]

Apple does care about your third party repair. They go out of their way to destroy your phone if you do a third party repair.

Nope. Tamper detection kicks in when someone has botched a repair that potentially compromises the phone's internal hardware security. It's unfortunate that the phone doesn't error out immediately this happens, if anything.
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Apple doesn't state clearly that you cannot replace the Touch-ID sensor. Or that if you do and try to update your phone OS it'll brick.

That's completely false. It's perfectly possible to install a new sensor if you do it properly. That doesn't mean just physically swapping it out.

 

[AxoNeuron]

BINGO. The cost of replacement/repair falls to the third-party repairman because he failed to re-sync the TouchID or did not know how.


From the Apple warranty --


IMPORTANT: BY USING YOUR iPHONE, iPAD, iPOD or APPLE TV PRODUCT YOU ARE AGREEING TO BE BOUND BY THE TERMS OF THE APPLE ONE (1) YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY (“WARRANTY”) AS SET OUT BELOW.

DO NOT USE YOUR PRODUCT UNTIL YOU HAVE READ THE TERMS OF THE WARRANTY. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE TO THE TERMS OF THE WARRANTY, DO NOT USE THE PRODUCT AND RETURN IT WITHIN THE RETURN PERIOD STATED IN APPLE’S RETURN POLICY (FOUND AT www.apple.com/legal/sales_policies/) TO THE APPLE OWNED RETAIL STORE OR THE AUTHORIZED DISTRIBUTOR WHERE YOU PURCHASED IT FOR A REFUND.

This Warranty does not apply:
c) to damage caused by use with a third party component or product that does not meet the Apple Product’s specifications
(f) to damage caused by service (including upgrades and expansions) performed by anyone who is not a representative of Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider (“AASP”);

Are you referring to that warning? Because there it is. I think it's the one most people click right by. They made a whole South Park episode about it.

It doesn't matter if you use a third party part and "it works fantastically" or not. If you roll the dice and lose, Apple isn't obligated to then replace/repair your device. You rolled and won. This time. Next time you might damage your iPad and if it still has a warranty, you've voided it. You agreed to those conditions when you powered it up and checked that little box.

Wow. Do you see how dumb it is to quote a warranty agreement when most 6/6 Plus warranties have already expired?

So, you didn't damage your device. You had a perfectly functioning device one moment and then Apple blocked your hardware after the fact - without warning. You see, that's the part that amazes me, Apple didn't even try to warn anyone, which they easily could have.

You cannot seriously believe Apple had no choice here, do you? Sure, some fine print in a legal agreement says that your warranty is voided using unauthorized components, but these customers weren't trying to use their warranty in the first place so it doesn't really apply.

My point is, Apple had OTHER options that were just as secure but didn't screw over thousands of people who didn't happen to read the fine print of their warranty agreement, or, made the idiotic decision to live in a country where Apple has no repair options (the gall of those people)...

 

[ddvalk]

Nope. Tamper detection kicks in when someone has botched a repair that potentially compromises the phone's internal hardware security. It's unfortunate that the phone doesn't error out immediately this happens, if anything.
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That's completely false. It's perfectly possible to install a new sensor if you do it properly. That doesn't mean just physically swapping it out.

I looked for documentation on this procedure and couldn't find a thing. All I found were non-Apple procedures that explained that you needed to preserve the original sensor, glueing it into the replacement case. I also found statements saying the sensor and the CPU were keyed together and they would need to be changed in sync.

Of course these were non-authoritative sources. If you have a reference for replacing a sensor properly, could you share it?

 

[MH01]

Security compromise = catastrophic. At least, in some people's eyes.

No proof it's even a compromise .

If prooven , you have a point.
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That's completely false. It's perfectly possible to install a new sensor if you do it properly. That doesn't mean just physically swapping it out.

second half of the statement you replied to, and ignored was the fact apple gave no warning, and bricked the device. So I kind of find it humorous how you can state someone's opinion is completely false when you have select reading

And no **** Sherlock , of course it's possible to install a new sensor, it's called an authorised repair that fact is spelled out on the first post of this 400+ thread....

And your wrong about it being the result of a botched repair! Detection can also kick in if the original part fails, cases have also been found of people getting error 53 who have never had thier phones repaired or opened up. Many speculating error 53 is not just the Touch ID but a general hardware failure . This is NOT just repairs.

 

[kevinof]

Apple don't destroy the iPhone. Badly done repairs that don't follow the correct pairing procedure destroy the iPhone.

Apple could legitimately be criticised for failing to produce the error the first time the phone is rebooted after a botched repair.

Nope. Wrong. These repairs work fine as most of the time it is an Apple part and remember Apple isn't saying the repair is bad or faulty - they say you used an unauthorized repair shop and even though they did a fine job we're going to brick your phone anyway.

What Apple should have done is disable the phone with a message saying please connect to iTunes so we can re-verify who you are.

 

[LV426]

I looked for documentation on this procedure and couldn't find a thing.

That's no big surprise. Who knows, it may require a custom hardware module for all I know. You're not going to find that on eBay, any more than you're likely to find the private keys for Google's SSL certificates.
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No proof it's even a compromise .

If prooven , you have a point.
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second half of the statement you replied to, and ignored was the fact apple gave no warning, and bricked the device. So I kind of find it humorous how you can state someone's opinion is completely false when you have select reading

And your wrong about it being the result of a botched repair! Detection can also kick in if the original part fails, cases have also been found of people getting error 53 who have never had thier phones repaired or opened up. Many speculating error 53 is not just the Touch ID but a general hardware failure . This is NOT just repairs.

There absolutely does not need to any proof that the phone's security has been compromised. The point is that it has been potentially compromised. The whole shebang. Same argument applies whether this was due to incompetence or hardware failure.
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Nope. Wrong. These repairs work fine as most of the time it is an Apple part and remember Apple isn't saying the repair is bad or faulty - they say you used an unauthorized repair shop and even though they did a fine job we're going to brick your phone anyway.

What Apple should have done is disable the phone with a message saying please connect to iTunes so we can re-verify who you are.

Incorrect. Botched repairs like this have never 'worked', actually. A successful and fully functional repair includes the phone's previous ability to validate attached hardware when required. i.e. when exchanging fresh keys after a firmware upgrade or device restore.

 

[ackmondual]

Lets not be naive guys, lets see reality for a bit: iPhone 3rd-party repair market is ridiculously huge and Apple wants to harness that revenue. Heck, I've repaired my own stuff more than once, ordered a dock connector/speaker on eBay, went on ifixit.com, and changed the part. We humans like to repair stuff and not all of us are rich to have 'official car dealer' always repair with brand-new parts.

Worse case scenario, why should Apple brick a phone when they could just disable the touch-id function? There is just no reason other than greed, because when Apple bricks your phone you have no choice but to either buy a new one or bring back the bricked phone for repair. Which means more profits for Apple.

Heh... reminds me how city officials try to cite safety as the reason for keeping traffic cams around, when it's truly more so about the revenue it produces.

 

[oscarinkc]

That's no big surprise. Who knows, it may require a custom hardware module for all I know. You're not going to find that on eBay, any more than you're likely to find the private keys for Google's SSL certificates.
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There absolutely does not need to any proof that the phone's security has been compromised. The point is that it has been potentially compromised. The whole shebang. Same argument applies whether this was due to incompetence or hardware failure.
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Incorrect. Botched repairs like this have never 'worked', actually. A successful and fully functional repair includes the phone's previous ability to validate attached hardware when required. i.e. when exchanging fresh keys after a firmware upgrade or device restore.

But if a customer does not use/need TouchID, then he/she can live without the functionality of TOuchId and use the phone the old-fashioned way (e.g. requiring passcode entry rather than thumbprint for all financial transactions) and use the home button strictly for it's original (non-thumbprint) purpose.

If there is a "security concern" that allows a wouldbe criminal to exploit the phone via the fingerprint scanner and bypass passcode entry (passcode required for power-up and/or extended periods of non-use), than Apple should be go back to the drawing board and kill TouchID for everyone else in the meantime until they figure out a way to close this loophole. At the very least, they can cover their butts and tell everyone use/enabling of TouchID creates some level of security risk so buyer-beware. Oh, and while they are it. release an OS update which does NOT "brick" everyone's phone whose original TOuchID button no longer functions (whether through wear, damage, replacement) and inform the customer, TouchID will not work without the original or rekeyed replacement button (this is actually pretty commonly known, already; getting the phone bricked via error code 53 is a fairly newly-publicized "feature")).

 

[MH01]

There absolutely does not need to any proof that the phone's security has been compromised. The point is that it has been potentially compromised. The whole shebang. Same argument applies whether this was due to incompetence or hardware failure.

Wow.

So basically you will accept anything Apple says as gospel. Forgive some of us not so religious types that would like some scientific proof.

There is zero proof iPhone security is compromised, one could argue a broken Touch ID makes the phone even more secure , as he Touch ID can in fact be fooled with a fake finger print !!

 

[beanbaguk]

Your knowledge of EU consumer law is incorrect, just like your understanding of the term warranty.

Firstly, this is not law. It is an EU directive. As such, the UK (which is currently in the EU) hasn't adopted this directive because our consumer laws exceed this directive. As such i'll explain our consumer law in the UK.

Consumer sales are governed by the Sales of Goods Act 1979, Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999 and the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

Secondly - There is NO law in the UK that states a retailer or manufacturer has to give a warranty on their products. If they do offer a warranty, they can stipulate terms in their Terms and Conditions. However, these terms have to be fair (Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999)

If a product becomes faulty, you return it to the retailer as thats who your contract is with. Within the first 6 months its automatically deemed inherently faulty and the retailer can either refund, repair or replace. After 6 months, the onus is on the consumer to prove the product was inherently faulty. This can be done by means of getting an independent report stating this. The retailer then has to refund, repair or replace the item and refund the cost of the report. In the UK you have 6 years to make a claim against the retailer, in the rest of the EU it is limited to 2 years.

The EU law talks about how long you’ve got to complain, not how long goods should actually last. And while it’s minimum 2 years, in the UK we actually get SIX years to do the same.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...cused-of-denying-six-year-warranty-right.html

 

[Nanotyrns]

Wow. Do you see how dumb it is to quote a warranty agreement when most 6/6 Plus warranties have already expired?

So, you didn't damage your device. You had a perfectly functioning device one moment and then Apple blocked your hardware after the fact - without warning. You see, that's the part that amazes me, Apple didn't even try to warn anyone, which they easily could have.

You cannot seriously believe Apple had no choice here, do you? Sure, some fine print in a legal agreement says that your warranty is voided using unauthorized components, but these customers weren't trying to use their warranty in the first place so it doesn't really apply.

My point is, Apple had OTHER options that were just as secure but didn't screw over thousands of people who didn't happen to read the fine print of their warranty agreement, or, made the idiotic decision to live in a country where Apple has no repair options (the gall of those people)...

You see the cause of the bricking of the phone to be the OS when it's actually the third-party part and it's incorrect installation that ultimately caused the bricking. That's not Apple's fault. We all know that Apple's OS (iOS and OS X) are not like a Windows/Android OS, which is written to work with any number of third party parts/accessories. Apple devices are designed to work with specific hardware and if it doesn't detect that hardware properly, it can cause any number or problems up to and including failure.

Again, if ease of repair with unauthorized parts by unauthorized repair techs is what you're looking for, then there are many, many Android (and maybe one or two Windows) phones available to you. You are not locked into just buying Apple and it's onerous and tyrannical ecosystem. If, however, you choose to take a risk by repairing you're iPhone with parts, again, that you have no idea where they came from or who made them, then you should be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions. Even if they come months later. The part working for a short time does not suddenly obligate Apple to make sure it works forever and ever and issue you constant warnings about what might happen in the future. You should understand that already.

Of course, we all know what is going to happen. Almost certainly Apple will start fixing bricked phones and replacing the unauthorized parts with genuine Apple parts as a customer services piece. Consumers will continue to be completely unaware of how their device works and continue to insist that they be allowed to repair them with low quality knock-off parts. Next week, something else will happen and we'll see "Class Action Lawsuit Against Apple Because Consumers Don't Know They Shouldn't Do That Thing To Their Phone Blah Blah Blah" and the usual "APPLE MUST FIX THIS AND STOP BEING BIG MEANIES!!!" chorus will erupt. Apple products will continue to be great. Android-infested products will continue to be crap. The earth will keep rotating.

 

[Markoth]

The terms you want your customers to agree to, STILL HAS TO FOLLOW THE LAW

You can't not just write, "By agreeing to this we Apple The Almighty who gives a shiiit may kill you if we find you dumb" - That would still be murder...

............ yup...

 

[trifid]

I wonder why Apple needs lawyers with a user base that defends anything they do.

I'm really hoping Apple proceeds next to bricking your mac when you change SSD/RAM, since you know, it could contain malicious firmware or something and caring about 'security' justifies it.

 

[cfedu]

I wonder why Apple needs lawyers with a user base that defends anything they do.

I'm really hoping Apple proceeds next to bricking your mac when you change SSD/RAM, since you know, it could contain malicious firmware or something and caring about 'security' justifies it.

Apple should just become an ISP and brick any Mac that does not use there service, for security reasons.

 

[Ladybug]

I see this lawsuit more as a means to get Apple to stop bricking phones that don't belong to them vs. money being the incentive. Five million is peanuts to Apple.

My hope is that they will stop bricking iPhones. I would much rather they disabled touch ID and Apple pay. I'm not confident this update/bricking only happens on phones with 3rd party repairs from what I've read.

I love Apple products as most of you do. We have many of their products in our home and family. However if this is the road they want to travel from here on out, then we would likely look to alternative products at some point. We can't afford to gamble on high priced devices that may or may not continue working next year.

 

[AxoNeuron]

You see the cause of the bricking of the phone to be the OS when it's actually the third-party part and it's incorrect installation that ultimately caused the bricking. That's not Apple's fault. We all know that Apple's OS (iOS and OS X) are not like a Windows/Android OS, which is written to work with any number of third party parts/accessories. Apple devices are designed to work with specific hardware and if it doesn't detect that hardware properly, it can cause any number or problems up to and including failure.

Again, if ease of repair with unauthorized parts by unauthorized repair techs is what you're looking for, then there are many, many Android (and maybe one or two Windows) phones available to you. You are not locked into just buying Apple and it's onerous and tyrannical ecosystem. If, however, you choose to take a risk by repairing you're iPhone with parts, again, that you have no idea where they came from or who made them, then you should be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions. Even if they come months later. The part working for a short time does not suddenly obligate Apple to make sure it works forever and ever and issue you constant warnings about what might happen in the future. You should understand that already.

Of course, we all know what is going to happen. Almost certainly Apple will start fixing bricked phones and replacing the unauthorized parts with genuine Apple parts as a customer services piece. Consumers will continue to be completely unaware of how their device works and continue to insist that they be allowed to repair them with low quality knock-off parts. Next week, something else will happen and we'll see "Class Action Lawsuit Against Apple Because Consumers Don't Know They Shouldn't Do That Thing To Their Phone Blah Blah Blah" and the usual "APPLE MUST FIX THIS AND STOP BEING BIG MEANIES!!!" chorus will erupt. Apple products will continue to be great. Android-infested products will continue to be crap. The earth will keep rotating.

I love how you assume these unauthorized parts have to be of low quality. It reveals a lot about your mindset here. The truth is, most third-party replacement parts I have used are actually better than Apple's. They have often gone through far more rigorous quality assurance testing than Apple's official parts. Case in point, I recently replaced my iPad display, and the replacement has much higher contrast ratio and simply just looks better. So please, stop acting as if these are some awful parts dug up out of a landfill. Furthermore, I'm platform agnostic, I like both ios and Android. I develop software for both platforms. And I really have to say, the past year or two, Android has simply been a better OS. Your fanboyism might be blinding you to the truth here.

You are completely missing the point here. I'm not saying that Apple is required to fix these decices. I'm saying that Apple could have easily warned people in advance, performed a hardware check DURING the update, etc. Or ANYTHING other than downright bricking the device. I'm saying that Apple should have known that not all people live in countries where Apple offers service options, so these customers are forced to go through third parties.

At the very least Apple should have warned people. If you cannot answer the question of why Apple didn't warn people, then you have lost the argument here.

You're acting as if Apple didn't specifically block these devices from functioning...but that's exactly what Apple did. The worst part is, there were better options, options that were just as secure, that wouldn't end up screwing over so many people.

 

[MH01]

You see the cause of the bricking of the phone to be the OS when it's actually the third-party part and it's incorrect installation that ultimately caused the bricking. That's not Apple's fault. We all know that Apple's OS (iOS and OS X) are not like a Windows/Android OS, which is written to work with any number of third party parts/accessories. Apple devices are designed to work with specific hardware and if it doesn't detect that hardware properly, it can cause any number or problems up to and including failure.

Again, if ease of repair with unauthorized parts by unauthorized repair techs is what you're looking for, then there are many, many Android (and maybe one or two Windows) phones available to you. You are not locked into just buying Apple and it's onerous and tyrannical ecosystem. If, however, you choose to take a risk by repairing you're iPhone with parts, again, that you have no idea where they came from or who made them, then you should be prepared to accept the consequences of your actions. Even if they come months later. The part working for a short time does not suddenly obligate Apple to make sure it works forever and ever and issue you constant warnings about what might happen in the future. You should understand that already.

Of course, we all know what is going to happen. Almost certainly Apple will start fixing bricked phones and replacing the unauthorized parts with genuine Apple parts as a customer services piece. Consumers will continue to be completely unaware of how their device works and continue to insist that they be allowed to repair them with low quality knock-off parts. Next week, something else will happen and we'll see "Class Action Lawsuit Against Apple Because Consumers Don't Know They Shouldn't Do That Thing To Their Phone Blah Blah Blah" and the usual "APPLE MUST FIX THIS AND STOP BEING BIG MEANIES!!!" chorus will erupt. Apple products will continue to be great. Android-infested products will continue to be crap. The earth will keep rotating.

If hardware was the cause, the bricking would occur straight after installation on first boot.

Here the hardware worked fine for months, a software update resulted in the bricking.

thoguh reading your rant, your don't want to understand this logically. Apple = awesome, and for some reason you included android = crap... Blah blah...this has nothing to do with android, it's your consumer rights!

 

[LV426]

Wow.

So basically you will accept anything Apple says as gospel. Forgive some of us not so religious types that would like some scientific proof.

No, I will not. But what I will accept is the following quote made by a sensible person on Ars Techinca:

Secure systems designate chains of trust. A chain of trust has more than one component. The TouchID sensor, Secure Enclave, and Secure Element are in a chain of trust. iOS itself is not in this chain of trust.
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Well you are talking to the guy who thumbed up this post:

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...hone-6-bricking.1955903/page-12#post-22562431

Somebody who wants Apple to go and brick everybody's phones that are jailbroken is somebody who too much of a fanboy to see Apple in any light other then thru rose colored stained glass windows.

My opinion on that particular matter is that jailbreaking is a perversion that attracts anarchists. Please don't reply to this, you won't change my opinion. It wouldn't matter to me one jot whether you were talking about Apple, Samsung or any other technology company. My friend 'jailbreaks' his Amazon Firestick. He's a pervert, and he would get no sympathy from me if Amazon blitzed his device.

 

[Dave.UK]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...cused-of-denying-six-year-warranty-right.html

If you're going to post a link, at least explain the reason behind it. That article says exactly what I did in my post.

 

[Attapon Tha.]

There is so much misinformation about this, I'm going to repost the technical explanation I gave in the other thread:

The API hides a lot of the implementation details, so most developers won't know how it really works, but Apple document it in their iOS Security Guide (PDF).

When you boot your iPhone up, the filesystem is encrypted. It's just full of meaningless junk; you can't use the phone. Once you enter your passcode for the first time, the system reads the filesystem key (which itself is stored encrypted by your passcode), and tries to decrypt it. If your passcode is correct, it will end up with the correct filesystem key, and it can unlock your iPhone's hard drive and read useful data from it. This filesystem key is called "NSFileProtectionComplete".




IMPORTANT: At this point your phone is unlocked. That is all there is to it. This filesystem key gets placed in the Secure Enclave so your iPhone can read/write from its hard drive. We haven't used TouchID or fingerprints so far, just a passcode. This is why you always need to give your passcode after a restart.

So how does TouchID work, exactly?

Let's look at what happens when you lock the phone, and how it's different between TouchID and non-TouchID:



So basically if you have TouchID disabled (passcode only), this key gets thrown away and you need to enter the passcode again next time you unlock. It's the exact same process as you go through on first-boot.

What Apple is saying here is that TouchID just holds on to the key which you already obtained via your passcode for a while (48 hours if the device stays on). But is TouchID really completely optional? Let's ask Apple:



Okay, I guess that settles it.

What about other stuff like iTunes/ApplePay purchases? How does that work with TouchID?



So when you enter your iTunes Store password the first time after a reboot, your device gets a temporary token to use for purchases, stores it in the Secure Enclave, and guards it behind TouchID. Again, it's totally optional; just a shortcut for entering your password.

The same applies to Apple Pay:



Man, Apple is really going to regret writing this document...

So yeah, in conclusion:

1. it is totally technically possible to rip the TouchID sensor out of your phone and still be able to unlock it (assuming you have the passcode).
2. TouchID does not seem to be essential for any single feature of the device; it is only ever a shortcut for entering the passwords you have already recently entered in to the phone.
3. It's really weird that Apple only check the TouchID sensor's integrity when they update the OS. Surely they should check that on every boot?

So what did Apple do wrong?

1. Apple should have communicated better (not when performing the update, but when buying the device!) that the TouchID sensor can only be replaced by an authorised technician.
2. If the TouchID sensor is compromised, they should fall-back to the passcode. As I said, the passcode is the only thing you really need to unlock the device.

Law firms? I just did all of your investigation work for you. Feel free to cut me a cheque.

EDIT: Rewritten for greater clarity for non-technical folks.
EDIT2: My personal feeling is that this is a bug -- I mean, what if the legit sensor developed a hardware fault? You don't want the machine to just lock all access. I think Apple did intend to fall-back to the passcode if the TouchID sensor, but unfortunately this is a catastrophic bug: even if Apple fix it, once you're locked out of the phone you can't update to get the fix. They should release a software update ASAP and repair any affected phones for free.

Completely agree!!!!!!
Actually Touch ID no use went you have no phone Passcode.
What if Touch ID spoil by whatever ie. damage by drop, water hazard or dead by it self not suppose to cause phone brick!
Passcode is key to unlock PC to access information on iPhone.
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There seems to be some confusion over what causes the phone to brick. To summarize, there are three possible reasons:

1.) Repair using genuine parts (either authorized or unauthorized repair). The phone will brick if the Touch ID part is not paired with the logic board.
2.) Repair using third party parts.
3.) Physically damaged home button.

Actually got additional cause....

4th. Touch ID dead by it self after upgrade even Phone never repair before. (Can you imagine what if your iPhone out of warranty and brick after try update newer iOS. Then you need to buy new phone with unreasonable)

So in my opinion suggest Apple just allow user restore or update iOS without check Touch ID
then after normal boot Apple just disable what ever Touch ID relate feature like Apple Pay, Touch ID for Apple ID or what ever. It's seem fair than just brick the expensive phone.

 

[C DM]

If hardware was the cause, the bricking would occur straight after installation on first boot.

Here the hardware worked fine for months, a software update resulted in the bricking.

thoguh reading your rant, your don't want to understand this logically. Apple = awesome, and for some reason you included android = crap... Blah blah...this has nothing to do with android, it's your consumer rights!

Perhaps certain additional checks were added in a new OS update that are performed during some low level operations that typically occur during an update or a restore?

 

[MH01]

No, I will not. But what I will accept is the following quote made by a sensible person on Ars Techinca:

Secure systems designate chains of trust. A chain of trust has more than one component. The TouchID sensor, Secure Enclave, and Secure Element are in a chain of trust. iOS itself is not in this chain of trust.
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My opinion on that particular matter is that jailbreaking is a perversion that attracts anarchists. Please don't reply to this, you won't change my opinion. It wouldn't matter to me one jot whether you were talking about Apple, Samsung or any other technology company. My friend 'jailbreaks' his Amazon Firestick. He's a pervert, and he would get no sympathy from me if Amazon blitzed his device.

That's fine, your weird view that ignores the big picture , though you need to understand the origin of the company you admire.

To quote Woz himself

"I have always given my support to the jailbreak community because they remind me of myself when I met Steve Jobs and how we were, then and for the years leading to Apple."

Your see anarchists and perverts, he sees the next generations of people who question and develop ideas in an open environment! Cause many of those apps would not be approved by apple, not cause they damage or support perverts but create capabilities in the iPhone which apple wants to control mainly around profiting from the App Store.
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Perhaps certain additional checks were added in a new OS update that are performed during some low level operations that typically occur during an update or a restore?

That I agree with. It's software driven, the hardware is fine, and is able to function, it's the software that shuts the device down.
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I wonder why Apple needs lawyers with a user base that defends anything they do.

I'm really hoping Apple proceeds next to bricking your mac when you change SSD/RAM, since you know, it could contain malicious firmware or something and caring about 'security' justifies it.

If you can convience people that an optional dumb sensor can be a critical security risk, it would be very easy to justify how something complex like ram or a HDD can be tampered with to steal you info, and only apple supplied special ram/SSD with is identical to what you can buy can protect you.

Irony being that if our so valuable data which apple so cares about, is in fact being put on seagate HDDs, having the worst failure rate...they are the cheapest with highest profit....

 

[attila]

So... They made third-party repairs, which annulled their warranty, and bricked their phone and now they're suing? Why does Apple owe them anything, exactly? Didn't they agree to Apple's terms when they purchased the device?

Error 53 can occur without any repairs made by any party, and Apple would still not be able to fix it.

That's the real issue.

 

[kd5jos]

ANYBODY should care about security. Thinking like yours is the source of all insecure systems on the planet.

Edit: Btw whats with us citizens and their lawsuits? Is your country rules by lawyers?

I agree everyone SHOULD worry about security, not everyone does, and some prefer being able to take a device to anyone for repair. So, to accommodate that...

Is the U.S. ruled by lawyers? Pretty much. You can look up the number of Senators, Congress members, and Presidents with law degrees.