lol mentioning an ancient computer is not a good example. Tell me which Mac computer had a nice cooling system: Mac mini, iMac, iMac Pro, Mac Pro, MacBook, MacBook Pro, or MacBook Air?
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lol mentioning an ancient computer is not a good example. Tell me which Mac computer had a nice cooling system: Mac mini, iMac, iMac Pro, Mac Pro, MacBook, MacBook Pro, or MacBook Air?
They all have thermal issues and I hope a class action lawsuit will put an end to these faulty designs. How can you even call a computer ‘Pro’ if it can’t handle higher clock speeds by overheating. The cheapest iMac Pro starting at € 5000 can’t handle the lowest configuration in heat.... what about a maxed out?
The Wife and I keep an "okay" clean house... With 2 big dogs and 4 cats... I cannot imagine having that must dust/dirt floating around in my house... None of my electronics have issues like that... That's crazy... And I live on a dirt road too...
Good Luck with this, feels like a bit of money grab-reach...
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Good Luck with this, feels like a bit of money grab-reach...
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Even the ones that finish rarely get any money for the members of the classes. I’ve received a few coupons for a few bucks off HP printers.
That's good to know as I live in the EU as well. I'm gonna contact support tomorrow though maybe they'll deny because I already opened it myself to replace the hard drive with an SSD.
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What a dumb question. Yes, I do have a vacuum cleaner. Doesn't change the fact that I live on a major road in a city with a population of a million people and several surface mines in the surrounding area that further worsens the air quality. It also doesn't change the fact that Apple's design is faulty. I haven't had this issue with any other device that has a screen.
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Nope, that was possible on the predecessor. My model has a fully laminated display. I've already opened it to replace the hard drive with an SSD and there's nothing I can do.
I don't get this. Okay, so they install a dust guard... said dust guard gets a build up of dust which isn't seemingly getting cleaned off by the consumer, causing the machine to get inadequate cooling and causing your computer to overheat and cook itself.
Lets think about another example outside of the computer world. Your car has an air filter. Your told you need to replace or clean it (as one should with a laptop) and you don't resulting in your car's engine being compromised, or computer in this case. That's the manufactures fault because you didn't take proactive steps to clean it?
Lets think about another example outside of the computer world. Your car has an air filter. Your told you need to replace or clean it (as one should with a laptop) and you don't resulting in your car's engine being compromised, or computer in this case. That's the manufactures fault because you didn't take proactive steps to clean it?
In Mac Pro thread, they dont even agree and believe that Mac Pro 2013 has the worst thermal design which causes high temperature and thermal throttling. It is very obvious because nobody ever put one cooler with a small fan to cool 1 CPU and 2 GPU at once!! What kind of stupid design is it?
All Mac computers have thermal throttle due to poor cooling system by knowing the average temperature around 100c while you are using the computer and working with professional software. It is pathetic since Apple believed that they made powerful computers just for Mac software only.
Didn't notice this problem on my 2014 IMac, but after reading this article i checked it and also see a dark spot on my left corner down my screen.
What a dumb comment. Have this issue on my 2013 iMac and its slowly getting worse. Havent smoked or been exposed to 2nd hand smoke at all. Apple's products are slowly getting lower in quality. An easy way to keep getting your money.
As an American, I must say that’s totally ridiculous and expected rhetoric of a lawsuit proponent. Everyone knows Americans are sue happy. It’s not about consumer protections but rather about using wisdom and common sense in combination with turning the other cheek.
Before you buy something, consider well the problems it may develop overtime, especially in your usage environment. Then when a problem occurs, you will be less likely, if you’re an American, to file frivolous lawsuit.
With that said, all of Apple’s notebooks have a highly questionable design now in late 2018. No MagSafe. No LED on charging cable. No extension power cord in the box. Bad keyboard with no tactile feedback. No glowing Apple logo on the back lid. No SD card slot. Not even one USB-A port even though USB-A is still ubiquitous even today and even though the addition of a USB-A port would eliminate a dongle.
But as much is I would love to see Johnny Ive ousted for having mercilessly gutted MacBooks only to please his own personal design aesthetic, I’m not about to file a lawsuit against Apple. Instead I will continue to use my mid-2015 15-inch MacBook Pro with dGPU — the last great MacBook Pro — until either my needs change or it simply stops working.
And don’t think I’m someone who hasn’t experienced major problems with Macs through the years, because I have. I’ve been using Macs since 1984. And Apple has made a lot of stupid decisions through the years, especially since 2011. But that’s never encouraged me to file a stupid lawsuit. In the vast majority of cases, filing a lawsuit only works to enrich the lawyers. That’s all. Lawsuits are just plain stupid.
Please sue Intel.
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-UHD-Graphics-630-GPU-Benchmarks-and-Specs.257928.0.html
That iGPU is pure trash. It's the reason you most definitely buy an eGPU with the Mini.
i’m honesty shocked it hasn’t happened already. at least about the notebooks where it can cost as much as $1200 to get a ‘flat rate’ repair from apple
The 6502 ran at all of 1mHz (eventually, 3mHz) and did not need a heatsink.
I know a bit about the 6502... I used one in a project to create a self-service gas pump. We'd started the project with the Intel 4040 chipset, but the 6502 was announced with a price of $25, and both performance and price blew the 4040 out of the water, so we switched.
We made a visit to MOS Technology in Pennsylvania, and came back with a prototype chip in a ceramic package with soldered-on metal cap (not yet in the all-plastic moulded package), and a 9-track tape with an assembler written in Fortran (to check-in to my university computing center tape library...). They were actually growing silicon crystals right there, and doing everything. Final layout was done on Rubylith with repetitive elements pulled out of a "library" of big drafting drawers and plopped-down.
Had a chance to meet Bill Mensch and Chuck Peddle, and view the hand layout of the chip on (Bill's?) office wall with I kid you not a blank spot because there was an electrical outlet on the wall in that spot with a floor lamp plugged into it. They were still working on the KIM (development board) design, so I had to wirewrap a development board myself.
This was before Apple existed and before the Wescon trade show where MOS Technology sold chips from the exhibit floor and caused a brew-ha-ha (not cool selling stuff from the floor of most trade shows), so Jobs/Wozniak didn't even have a chip yet at that point (that's where they got the first chip, from that Wescon).
While our electronics wasn't located in the gas pump proper (there was a display and I/O module that talked over a serial bus to the CPU package in the booth) it was typically under the counter in a crowded, probably hot cashier booth. No cooling. No cooling needed.
So, not at all surprised that the Apple II never had any heat issues.
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I think you are thinking of the Apple II. The Macintosh II series used the 68000 series of chips not the 6502.
Haha, you're right!
The 68000 was considered quite a "beast" at the time. But still didn't need a heatsink or fan.
Even the early Intel chips didn't need a heatsink. That didn't come until the 486DX2.
I worked with the 8008 (homebrew wirewrap kit based on a Popular Electronics article), 4040 (briefly), 6502, 6800, TMS1000, 8080, Zilog Z80, and then all Intel chips. Somehow, I escaped the 68000. First time I ever saw a heatsink on a CPU chip was a homebrew system with an Intel motherboard that replaced a 386-based system.
I miss being able to go to Fry's and pick a motherboard to drop into a case with a PC Power & Cooling Power supply but Must Have Mac for iPhone development...
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Ah I see, sorry yeah I did overstate that, and how simple it is. There are clearly a lot of caveats.
I know a lot of other companies/shops are much less inclined to do it, but my Apple store have been really forthcoming with the within six years thing.
That is how it was explained by them anyway and I’ve had repairs since 2015 when the newer sales of goods act kicked in. Presumably with other sellers you’d have to kick up a fuss and argue a case and prove things. Apple just believe me and know it’s not “something I’ve done” to the displays. Apple for me repeatedly interpreted and stated it as 6 years for computers. I’ve never actually had a free repair within AppleCare time, always years afterward.
They also replaced my wife’s MacBook with a MBP outside of the 6 years but that’s only because it spontaneously combusted in the night and could easily have killed us.
yay?One thing they didn’t do for free was a staingate repair because it was a free repair for years but the previous user didn’t take advantage of it while that was active. They did halve the price of the replacement screen for me though, which they didn’t have to do at all considering I didn’t buy it from them so I had no sale-of-goods type protection. So yeah, I like Apples interpretation of consumer law and I hope it stays like this.
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I was in your position and they replaced the screen under the 6 year thing even though I’d opened it up to replace one of the fans.. that left no obvious signs though I guess. Can you temporarily put the original drive back in and would it be obvious you’ve serviced it?
Ah I see, sorry yeah I did overstate that, and how simple it is. There are clearly a lot of caveats.
I know a lot of other companies/shops are much less inclined to do it, but my Apple store have been really forthcoming with the within six years thing.
That is how it was explained by them anyway and I’ve had repairs since 2015 when the newer sales of goods act kicked in. Presumably with other sellers you’d have to kick up a fuss and argue a case and prove things. Apple just believe me and know it’s not “something I’ve done” to the displays. Apple for me repeatedly interpreted and stated it as 6 years for computers. I’ve never actually had a free repair within AppleCare time, always years afterward.
They also replaced my wife’s MacBook with a MBP outside of the 6 years but that’s only because it spontaneously combusted in the night and could easily have killed us.
One thing they didn’t do for free was a staingate repair because it was a free repair for years but the previous user didn’t take advantage of it while that was active. They did halve the price of the replacement screen for me though, which they didn’t have to do at all considering I didn’t buy it from them so I had no sale-of-goods type protection. So yeah, I like Apples interpretation of consumer law and I hope it stays like this.
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I was in your position and they replaced the screen under the 6 year thing even though I’d opened it up to replace one of the fans.. that left no obvious signs though I guess. Can you temporarily put the original drive back in and would it be obvious you’ve serviced it?
Well, I've cleaned the insides a little but I don't think they could tell it was dirtier before. I think I still have the old broken drive and I haven't used the replacement adhesive yet but used masking tape to hold the screen in place first instead to make sure the SSD isn't faulty. So now that you say it I should be able to have it look like it hasn't been opened before.
What exactly does Intel have to do with this? Intel targeted this CPU for budget office computers. This iGPU is perfect for that. Not sure why Apple chose this CPU for Mini and even if they did they could have added discrete GPU. They decided to go cheap instead. All Apple computers use the worst GPUs available. Do you blame Intel for that too?
This is probably a stupid question, but can the display not be fitted the same way it is for iphones and ipads? There's no dust problem there, despite being exposed to the elements a lot more.
Why sue Intel if the case where the processor is in, built by Apple, can’t handle the heat? Doesn’t Apple do any real world testing? If the closure, the Mac mini, iMac or Mac Pro, can’t handle the heat, it’s a faulty design. Why buy a computer, which on paper should be able to handle heavy tasks, can’t handle heavy tasks because of heat problems?
For me it’s more evidence Apple isn’t targeting ‘pro users’ anymore. They’re relying on their vaporizing brandname and are selling hardware at above premium prices which are not capable of running premium software.
Did you have the same issue w/ the TB display? Seems I had this, and had it repaired once, but probably would have been better off just cleaning myself. Started reappearing again, and finally this seems to be an explanation.
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True. Also, for the MacBook Pro, there's portable air purifies powered through the thunderbolt port. Just search for iDust.
[doublepost=1543573449][/doublepost]Lads, that's why the OS is called Mojave. Just get used to it.
On a more serious note, I suggest all MBP owners open their laptop from time to time. On a MBP late 2016 I had seriously inflated batteries (top case was replaced under warranty, which also fixed issues with the keyboard). On all MBPs and MBAs I had to reapply thermal paste; particularly on the original they apply far too much, I had it see overrunning the edges and some components on the logic board.