Also a lot of Lenovo products are built to meet Mil Spec certifications to ensure they work in rough environments so dust, sand, moisture, etc won't effect them. Come to think of it so do HP and Dell. Do Apple certify their 'Pro' products to this level considering they are sold as workstations?
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Apple Facing Class Action Lawsuit Over Lack of Filters in MacBooks and iMacs Causing Trapped Dust
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Also a lot of Lenovo products are built to meet Mil Spec certifications to ensure they work in rough environments so dust, sand, moisture, etc won't effect them. Come to think of it so do HP and Dell. Do Apple certify their 'Pro' products to this level considering they are sold as workstations?
As far as ruggedness and Apple products are concerned, they lose any ruggedness the moment you unbox them.
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Wow, is this still an issue?
It was a big problem on my 20" 2011 iMac, but I fixed it by disassembling the LCD panel and cleaning it carefully between the layers, then wrapping the edges with aluminium tape to prevent dust getting in. It's never re-occured since.
The reason it happened on iMacs is because the fans would force air (and thus dust) directly at the edges of the LCD where over time, tiny particles would get between the layers. It's obviously much worse if there are smokers in your house or if you live in a polluted area (London) where there is fine dust in the air.
But I've never seen this happen on a MacBook!
It was a big problem on my 20" 2011 iMac, but I fixed it by disassembling the LCD panel and cleaning it carefully between the layers, then wrapping the edges with aluminium tape to prevent dust getting in. It's never re-occured since.
The reason it happened on iMacs is because the fans would force air (and thus dust) directly at the edges of the LCD where over time, tiny particles would get between the layers. It's obviously much worse if there are smokers in your house or if you live in a polluted area (London) where there is fine dust in the air.
But I've never seen this happen on a MacBook!
Well, I'm guessing this lawsuit goes nowhere. But it does make me feel better about going with the 2018 Mac Mini. Plenty of room in it for thermal issues. And if my $300 monitor has an issue in a couple of years, I will just buy a better and cheaper one.
I really thought they'd fixed this issue. I had it quite badly on a circa 2011 iMac, my late 2013 iMac seemed fine for the 5 years I had it. It's hard to believe it still affects retina iMacs.
Computers build up dust on the fans and is normal maintenance to clean them if you can..
It is not normal for dust to accumulate on the lcd behind the layer or glass. If you had a TV and it slowly builds up dust you can not remove how would you feel?
My desktop has 4 air filters that are cleaned once a month. Lian li made the case and understands dust is a issue for everyone.
Apple makes it difficult to do regular maintenance like you are talking about on the HP. Everyone should clean their fans once a year or more depending on the environment. Then around 5 years consider new thermal paste and not a bad time for a new fan.
This is regular expected maintenance for computers. Taking a display apart because dust got into is not normal.
It seems every computer Apple makes is complete crap these days. They are really ruining their reputation.
They keyboards on the 2016 and newer laptops are RUBBISH... and they break unless they wear a condom (2018 models). If your keyboard needs a condom to work properly, you know you’ve made one screwed up keyboard.
Maybe they should stick to phones.
They keyboards on the 2016 and newer laptops are RUBBISH... and they break unless they wear a condom (2018 models). If your keyboard needs a condom to work properly, you know you’ve made one screwed up keyboard.
Maybe they should stick to phones.
Dust has always been an issue for motherboards, it's almost impossible to prevent on personnal computers/laptops. However, with that said, I have never experienced dust on a monitor or display of a laptop. Interesting, lets see what happens here.
No, we don't. 6 years is when the statute of limitations runs out - so that's the point where you lose, no matter how much the seller is at fault. But before that, things must last "for a reasonable time". Which is typically two years for computers. I've seen expensive iPhones being sold with three years contract; I suspect that for a phone under contract "for a reasonable time" is at least the length of the contract.
Result: filters get installed into Apple computers and those filters then clog over time causing users to spend upwards of $600 for filter replacement service costs, another class action lawsuit ensues. 
Ironically, I have no evidence of this on my MBP which I smoke and cough over daily. My iMac at work however, has what I now understand to be dust in one of the corners and it has never, ever, been near a lit cigarette/joint.
I've seen this on older iMacs <2012, and I don't believe it's dust but moisture trapped in the display panel causing mold or mildew to grow.
The home where I first found these iMacs was very clean, well maintained home; so I doubt it's dust.
The one showing the problem most was next to a Window, getting sunlight from behind.
The home where I first found these iMacs was very clean, well maintained home; so I doubt it's dust.
The one showing the problem most was next to a Window, getting sunlight from behind.
Stated like someone who clearly doesn't have a clue. There are numerous computers with filters.
Those cases are probably a result of abused equipment. Apple is great about supporting their hardware and taking care of customers.
The difference here is that current MacBooks and iMacs are not very user serviceable at all, so it's not as easy for an individual to maintain their machines without taking it to Apple.
Yeah sorry, didn't mean to come across like I probably did. My post wasn't aimed at you directly, just a general observation.
MacBooks? Ehm, what?
1. How would the fan suck dust behind a MacBook screen? Doesn't make any sense at all.
2. Heat regulation issues? It's called cleaning your fans.
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This goes way back. I have an iMac 27" mid 2010 and I read about these "black spots" which appeared on mine after my warranty expired.
In the video below a guy shows how adventurous users can attempt to clean it on their own (and yes, it's trapped dust).
However, the process is not without risks, some people reported having screen issues once reassembling, so clearly Apple is the winner here for having to charge $600 in repairs for a Mac that is worth probably less than $500.
In the video below a guy shows how adventurous users can attempt to clean it on their own (and yes, it's trapped dust).
However, the process is not without risks, some people reported having screen issues once reassembling, so clearly Apple is the winner here for having to charge $600 in repairs for a Mac that is worth probably less than $500.
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Since longer Apple knows about these technical design problems and doesn't make public and explain what can happen and offer no gratis repair program by their own
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Nah no need. You just have to boot the machine and just stare it. It will eventually crash due to the T2 chip issues, or it might get stuck keys due to dust particles and a 3-years faulty keyboard mechanism, or its screen might get spotty due to dust trapped in an area that should otherwise be sealed. It's the earth's atmosphere fault, of course.
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