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My guess is that they'll take the Apple way out and offer 'X months free' to whatever subscription service they have.
This, or like I said people will get their $25 in 2035.
Either way, the people who assume they’re going to get full refunds or (a completely unserious thing I’ve seen here more than once) a free upgrade to the 17…
Yeah, keep dreaming.
You might get a $30 Apple gift card to buy yourself a nice AirTag.
 
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This, or like I said people will get their $25 in 2035.
Either way, the people who assume they’re going to get full refunds or (a completely unserious thing I’ve seen here more than once) a free upgrade to the 17…
Yeah, keep dreaming.
You might get a $30 Apple gift card to buy yourself a nice AirTag.
It’s a broader symptom of a culture where personal responsibility takes a backseat to externalizing frustration through legal action or public outrage.
 
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It’s a broader symptom of a culture where personal responsibility takes a backseat to externalizing frustration through legal action or public outrage.

False advertising has nothing to do with personal responsibility. Are you saying that companies should be able to claim/promise anything they want, whether or not it’s true? I’m really struggling to connect Apple promising and not delivering the improved Siri and other AI in iOS 18, after making it the main value proposition for the iPhone 16/Pro, and personal responsibility.

As someone else already said, it can be true to say that one shouldn’t purchase technology on the promise of something not yet available AND companies should not falsely promise or promote features that aren’t proven or guaranteed.
 
False advertising has nothing to do with personal responsibility. Are you saying that companies should be able to claim/promise anything they want, whether or not it’s true? I’m really struggling to connect Apple promising and not delivering the improved Siri and other AI in iOS 18, after making it the main value proposition for the iPhone 16/Pro, and personal responsibility.

As someone else already said, it can be true to say that one shouldn’t purchase technology on the promise of something not yet available AND companies should not falsely promise or promote features that aren’t proven or guaranteed.
Your response misrepresents what I said.

Nowhere did I suggest that companies should be allowed to make false claims.

The discussion is about consumer expectations and decision-making. If someone purchases a product solely for a feature that is clearly stated as 'coming later,' that is a choice they made. Acknowledging that reality is not the same as excusing false advertising, those are separate issues.

If you have to twist my words to make your argument, that says more about your position than mine.
 
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Your response misrepresents what I said.

Nowhere did I suggest that companies should be allowed to make false claims.

The discussion is about consumer expectations and decision-making. If someone purchases a product solely for a feature that is clearly stated as 'coming later,' that is a choice they made. Acknowledging that reality is not the same as excusing false advertising, those are separate issues.

If you have to twist my words to make your argument, that says more about your position than mine.

I am not trying to twist words. Apologies if I misunderstood your meaning.
 
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If you show them to 12 normies it's hard to argue those ads don't set up expectation that those things will work more or less when you buy the phone
 
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I upgraded from a 14 Pro Max to a 16 Pro Max largely due to the Apple intelligence features that were being pushed about it. How amazing, how grande, etc everything would be if you upgraded. And here I am all this time later with a phone that’s really not much different at all as compared to my 14 Pro Max. I don’t like seeing Apple get beat up so often, the EU does a great job of that already, but Apple really does need to answer what’s going on here with all the advertising and hype, but absolutely nothing delivered.
 
This is a strawman argument, arguably a smart phone upgrade hasn’t made a meaningful difference in anyone’s life in at least the last decade, from any manufacturer.
So you're saying the iPhone 16 doesn't have any meaningful upgrades over the iPhone 15. By now, if you had a real argument, you would've listed specific examples. Carry on.
 
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iPhone 16 PM is soooo dooope, the near lightness of the 15, bigga screen, can dim even more, betta battery than 15 pm (on papa, at least, YMMV), fantastic mic, 4k 60 fps (or whatever it is), need I go on?....spatial vid/pix tougha glass, Apple Intelligence (secure and strong for what it is limited to right now) etc etc.

16 Pro Max the truth, however, that is what's not on internet trial rn....rn it's apple intelligence, and yes Apple should not have made it such a big deal when they did....17 should've been it...I mean, they probably wanted to avoid the tired "iterative update" discussion, but whilst doing so, wound up with this mess on their hands..ah well, live and learn, **** happens right?

all I know is, it's so much betta than nosy google/android....gross......those dudes man SMH...its like "get a life, greaseball" lmao (what 80's movie was that again??...) google SMH
 
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So you're saying the iPhone 16 doesn't have any meaningful upgrades over the iPhone 15. By now, if you had a real argument, you would've listed specific examples. Carry on.
“Meaningful” is subjective.
It *does* have an extra 2 GB of RAM, a slightly faster chip, a 48 MP ultra-wide, 25W MagSafe charging instead of 15W, a bigger battery, better microphones, and the camera button.
If any of that is “meaningful” or not is completely up to the buyer.
I didn’t think so, that’s why I didn’t purchase one.

But also, if you are seriously trying to find “meaning” from a smartphone upgrade, or tablet upgrade, or computer upgrade, or anything like that, you’re probably looking in the wrong place.
These are tools to get things done, not objects of some higher importance.
I’d assume at least 95% of people who purchased the 16 did so because they had a 2+ year old phone and either it was feeling slow or broken and or their carrier is offering some deal.
 
bro, he's talking about meaningful upgrades....not meaning to his life LMAOOOO, you internet dudes are awesome-sauce-um

16 pro max, bow down bitch, apple intelligence is fantastic aside from notification stuff, who would ever in their right mind want to compete with these other data hungry companies?? ppl don't realize apple is only competing with the likes of me, sorry not sorry
 
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“Meaningful” is subjective.
It *does* have an extra 2 GB of RAM, a slightly faster chip, a 48 MP ultra-wide, 25W MagSafe charging instead of 15W, a bigger battery, better microphones, and the camera button.
If any of that is “meaningful” or not is completely up to the buyer.
I didn’t think so, that’s why I didn’t purchase one.

But also, if you are seriously trying to find “meaning” from a smartphone upgrade, or tablet upgrade, or computer upgrade, or anything like that, you’re probably looking in the wrong place.
These are tools to get things done, not objects of some higher importance.
I’d assume at least 95% of people who purchased the 16 did so because they had a 2+ year old phone and either it was feeling slow or broken and or their carrier is offering some deal.
If anyone is serious about smartphones, those aren't meaningful changes.

Apple never advertises RAM in their phones because the increased RAM hasn't done anything relevant. It was added to accommodate Apple Intelligence, which has been a flop so far.

The camera on every iPhone (regular and pro) stink, so the specs aren't improving anything.

Magsafe charging is pointless. Just plug it in.

A bigger battery that doesn't result in any meaningful increase in battery life.

A worthless camera button basically invented for the use of Apple Intelligence (see above).

"Better microphones," nah, that doesn't have an effect on anyone's purchasing decisions.

It's laziness and those improvements don't make someone want to buy an iPhone 16 over a 15.
 
I upgraded from a 14 Pro Max to a 16 Pro Max largely due to the Apple intelligence features that were being pushed about it. How amazing, how grande, etc everything would be if you upgraded. And here I am all this time later with a phone that’s really not much different at all as compared to my 14 Pro Max. I don’t like seeing Apple get beat up so often, the EU does a great job of that already, but Apple really does need to answer what’s going on here with all the advertising and hype, but absolutely nothing delivered.
This is just completely false. The vast majority of Apple Intelligence features are available and working as they should. Here is a list:

18.1:
  • Writing Tools: Use systemwide tools to proofread, rewrite, or reformat your text.
  • Clean Up in Photos: Remove unwanted objects from your photos with ease.
  • Create a Memory movie in Photos: Type a description, and AI will create a new Memory movie on demand.
  • Natural language search in Photos: Find just the right photos and videos with search that actually works.
  • Notification summaries: Receive more actionable and helpful notifications thanks to AI summaries.
  • Siri enhancements: Enjoy the first version of Apple’s new and improved Siri, with new product knowledge, more resilient request handling, new look and feel, more natural voice, the ability to type to Siri, and more.
  • Priority messages in Mail: AI will put the most important email front and center.
  • Smart Reply in Mail and Messages: Use suggested replies that are better than ever.
  • Summaries in Mail and Messages: Get thread summaries that are more informative than a simple excerpt.
  • Reduce Interruptions Focus: Stay undistracted, except when something’s actually important.
  • Intelligent Breakthrough & Silencing in Focus: Get the benefit of your existing Focus modes, but with AI that only allows important alerts through.
18.2:
  • Genmoji: Make your own custom emoji for use in any app.
  • ChatGPT in Siri: Siri can tap into ChatGPT’s knowledge, and you can even query ChatGPT directly.
  • Image Playground: Create original AI images in animation or illustration styles.
  • Visual intelligence: Use the iPhone’s Camera Control or Action button to get relevant info from your physical environment.
  • Image Wand: Turn your sketches or notes into beautiful illustrations in the Notes app.
  • Compose with ChatGPT: OpenAI’s assistant can draft original text from scratch inside any app.
  • Custom rewrites: Apple’s writing tools let you ‘Describe your change’ for custom AI rewrites.
18.3:
18.4 (coming in April, updates should include):
  • Priority Notifications: Notifications that may be especially important are shown in a separate, more prominent section on the Lock Screen.
  • Image Playground: Sketch style offers a third way to visualize your original image creations, joining Animation and Illustration.
  • Vision Pro support: visionOS 2.4, which will release alongside iOS 18.4 in April, brings Apple Intelligence support to Vision Pro for the first time.
 
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