Apple Facing Imminent U.S. Antitrust Lawsuit

[AppliedMicro]

Very flawed analogy. A toyota dealer (app store) is licensed to sell a toyota vehicle

It’s not about an individual licensed dealer. Either way, car manufacturers don’t charge commissions on businesses using their csr “platform” to make momey.

Bringing pizza into this is irrelevant like charging me for what notes I put in a note app made by XYZ developer.

Like the transactions a consumer conducts with Spotify in the Spotify app made by Spotify are irrelevant to Apple.

 

[cardfan]

It works better since Apple blocks competitors from integrating their smartwatches into iOS the same way Apple does.

Hey Apple, if you don‘t change with times, times will change you. Waited for this to happen since many years. We will see a different Apple in the future.

Yep. Many are looking forward to this. Apple has a reckoning. Glad I lightened up on Apple.

 

[cardfan]

Stunts like this are what cause company's like Apple to leave and go to other countries that are happy to have jobs for people just saying .

This is funny. Apple has much more to lose by leaving.

 

[cardfan]

and EU cos of the same points,
and India cos they force Apple to built there what they sell,
and China cos they cripple apps.
in sum just 4 billion people market...

Maybe Apple can fly to moon and base themselves there. lol

 

[cardfan]

Just how many times has a gov't intervened, for the consumer, and screwed up a good product, making it worse? TOO OFTEN. They can't govern efficiently, so why should we think they can run a business.

Hasn’t happened often. Usually the consumer wins. Just as when Apple colluded with the book publishers. Government quickly stepped in thankfully. There’s many consumers and companies that have been harmed by apples illegal behavior. This is a long time coming.

 

[MacGekko]

Apple should stop selling devices in US 😁

And watch their stock price tank in the process.

 

[Zest28]

And watch their stock price tank in the process.

Indeed. The main markets for Apple to focus on is NA and Asia. And there is a lot of potential in Asia that is not realised still.

Android is very popular in the EU, and with countries like Germany being in a recession, you have to wonder if it makes sense to have a premium iPhone device still and not go with a cheaper alternative (could literally be an Android phone by Apple and you are automatically DMA compliant).

 

[MacGekko]

if there wasn’t literally a gazillion other phone options I’d be like ok. But there is plenty of competition in the phone market.

Sure there is Android and Android and oh yeah Android.

 

[MacGekko]

Indeed. The main markets for Apple to focus on is NA and Asia. And there is a lot of potential in Asia that is not realised still.

Android is very popular in the EU, and with countries like Germany being in a recession, you have to wonder if it makes sense to have a premium iPhone device still and not go with a cheaper alternative (could literally be an Android phone by Apple and you are automatically DMA compliant).

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Looks like North Korea is at 100 percent Iphone market share, I could see Tim Cook dancing for Killer Kim.

 

[Zest28]

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Looks like North Korea is at 100 percent Iphone market share, I could see Tim Cook dancing for Killer Kim.

In my household there is a 100 percent iPhone market share. What can I do to stop Tim Cook from coming here?

 

[b4rtw]

I do not understand why the DoJ starts a court case. Much like the EU, the US government needs to create its version of the DMA to force Apple to comply.

 

[MAlbi]

Let them s**t bricks. Single SMS costs me arround 5 US cents. I will only benefit from widespread iMessage usage.

 

[The_Gream]

Your interpretation goes against the plain reading of his words, surrounding context, and subsequent knowledge we have gained. Internal emails from Apple that leaked a few years ago talked about how Apple themselves were considering lowering the commission percentage when it became clear that the App store could survive with a lower percentage.
You also ignored point 2, which is that said fee doesn’t apply to large numbers of developers who also happen to make use of Apple’s tools, have their businesses facilitated, and earn revenue on Apple’s platform.

Good points.

It wasn’t that I was ignoring point 2, but at the time I was trying to say you have to be careful quoting people - as you stated know the context around the quote is paramount.

Now, on point two I say this. It would be nice if it was an evenly shared cost for access to the SDKs and IP but it isn’t. I believe it to be more in this line of thought.

I feel we need to look at the (house hold) free apps and the paying apps in a symbolic relationship (there might be some or a lot of parasites). Free apps like Netflix etc that draw large consumer numbers provide content that bring people to a device. The developer that is paying the commission is able to benefit from the potential large consumer base those larger companies bring.

Just as Apple would have nothing without the developers. The developers wouldn’t have anything without Apple. And they, the developers, wouldn’t have anything if the larger content providers did not provide for the platform as well, as the platform would generally not be lucrative enough to spend money on making a product for.

I have work retail for most of my adult life. I have worked the front end and I have been in management. Companies used to have things called “lost leads” (aka milk) that they would willingly ether break even on or lose money on because they knew they would make more from other sales as customers walked through the store.
To me, many of these free apps are that lost lead. Does it suck that many of those companies make tons of money while the small guy carries the cost… yes. Our world isn’t perfect, it is capitalistic.

Do I wish Apple would move to a lower cost more evenly shared fee based system that helped smaller groups get off their feet and put bread on their tables, sure. Maybe we will get there one day.

 

[GDF]

• How the Apple Watch works better with iPhone than other smart watches do.
• How Apple locks competitors out of iMessage.
• How Apple blocks financial firms from offering tap-to-pay services similar to Apple Pay.
• Whether Apple favors its own apps and services over those provided by third-party developers.
• How Apple has blocked cloud gaming apps from the App Store.
• How Apple restricts the ‌iPhone‌'s location services from devices that compete with AirTag.
• How App Tracking Transparency impacted the collection of advertising data.
• In-app purchase fees collected by Apple.

Man, I hate this garbage. Sure as a consumer, it be nice to have some of this stuff more open, but this is Apples product. The government attempting to control how they operate it is insane. It's not like there isn't an alterative to iOS and the Apple Ecosystem. If I ever created an incredibly successful business like Apple I would want to be able to operate it how I please. This is nuts.

Totally agree with you. Plenty of alternatives people can choose. I want iMessage only on Apple systems and if I did not like what Apple does would not buy it and have everything tech Apple. Leave them alone govts!

 

[Warped9]

I have no problems at all with Apple products working better with Apple products.

This.

How is it that the Apple Watch working better with the iPhone than other smartwatches is Apple's fault??

They build the software for both so shouldn't it work better?

And this.

 

[Beautyspin]

Oh no... after all the backlash the EU got right here in this forum, being over-regulating and trying to protect EU companies. How will people spin this news now?

If the EU passes legislation that is against Apple, then the EU is at fault.
If the US passes legislation that is against Apple, then the EU is at fault.
If all the countries in the world pass legislation that is against Apple, then the entire world is at fault.

Never Apple.

 

[TallManNY]

I do not understand why the DoJ starts a court case. Much like the EU, the US government needs to create its version of the DMA to force Apple to comply.

The US already has anti-trust laws that can be enforced. Apple has been able to avoid anti-trust issues for a long time by just pointing to the market share split between Mac and PC and Android and iOS, but that defense is getting weaker every year as Apple products become more and more the standard for personal consumer usage.

 

[Beautyspin]

Maybe Apple can fly to moon and base themselves there. lol

I heard Tim Cook is in talks with Elon Musk for launching something similar to ISS so that they can base their HQ at the geo-stationary orbit. Can't trust a base in the moon. What if the moon government come up with antitrust laws there too down the line? /s

 

[john123]

I know people love to defend Apple but good grief. This is fair and long overdue for consideration. Anyone who doesn't think so should immediately look up the history of antitrust in the US. It's been huge for citizens. And even when they look into situations and decide not to proceed or companies call off mergers or things like that, it is STILL GOOD.

Seriously -- Google for 10 minutes...

 

[hans1972]

• How the Apple Watch works better with iPhone than other smart watches do.
  
• How Apple locks competitors out of iMessage.
  
• How Apple blocks financial firms from offering tap-to-pay services similar to Apple Pay.
  
• Whether Apple favors its own apps and services over those provided by third-party developers.
  
• How Apple has blocked cloud gaming apps from the App Store.
  
• How Apple restricts the ‌iPhone‌'s location services from devices that compete with AirTag.
  
• How App Tracking Transparency impacted the collection of advertising data.
  
• In-app purchase fees collected by Apple.

Both he US and the EU likes advertising and seems to defend collecting information so you can get target ads.
That's horrible.

Those governments should do the opposite making ads and especially target ads illegal.

 

[cawgijoe]

This is really sad. Let companies create the products they want and let us customers choose the products we want. These regulators are really arrogant.

And the real winners are the lawyers

 

[NagasakiGG]

So where are they crybabies flaming the EU and calling them "communism"? Seems like USA is about to jump into that "communism"-train as well, sooner or later.

 

[vipergts2207]

Microsoft had an outright monopoly and still does in the PC market, but the government’s not going after them.

MS isn’t exerting extraordinary control over everything that goes on with Windows. For instance, I could release a Windows app today without paying a cent to MS.

 

[MacGekko]

In my household there is a 100 percent iPhone market share. What can I do to stop Tim Cook from coming here?

Keep buying Iphones.

 

[keith_tx]

Stunts like this are what cause company's like Apple to leave and go to other countries that are happy to have jobs for people just saying .

Leaving the US wouldn't affect the outcome of this lawsuit. If Apple were a foreign company, they'd come under even more scrutiny and they'd still have to obey the regulations the US gov't sets out to sell products in the US.