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Apple Falling Behind

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jmo1116

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Not trying to stir anything up but I was kinda hoping for a bit more than iCloud as being Apple's newest, most innovative thing. Yeah, iOS 5 will be nice but still, nothing we haven't already seen. Apple are losing to android and windows phone right now...that is unless they really blow us away in September like everyone is saying.
 
Really? They're losing? I guess the pie chart presented during the keynote was incorrect... I'm sure you would know a lot more than Apple would.

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iApples said:
Really? They're losing? I guess the pie chart presented during the keynote was incorrect... I'm sure you would know a lot more than Apple would.

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Now i really don't think that pie chart is correct just last month i seen something that said Android was 1% above Apple.
 
What exactly are they falling behind in?
:confused:

And to say its falling behind WP7...jeez what measuring stick are you using?
 
zOdeac said:
Now i really don't think that pie chart is correct just last month i seen something that said Android was 1% above Apple.
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Apple would not of been allowed to provide false information. So the data is correct. And you probably read about that on some no-named website/blog. Unless you hear data numbers coming from the companies themselves, I wouldn't believe them.
 
iApples said:
Apple would not of been allowed to provide false information. So the data is correct. And you probably read about that on some no-named website/blog. Unless you hear data numbers coming from the companies themselves, I wouldn't believe them.
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The May figures very well may have Android in front, but Apple cited the April figures, so its not false in any way.
 
iApples said:
Apple would not of been allowed to provide false information. So the data is correct. And you probably read about that on some no-named website/blog. Unless you hear data numbers coming from the companies themselves, I wouldn't believe them.
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The discrepancy comes from reporting every iOS device ie. iPhones iPods and iPads, as opposed to just iPhones. Android phones might be 1% above all iPhone sales, but if you include the other devices I think the pie chart is right. Comscore has the numbers for both I think. Also, to say that apple is falling behind an operating system that has more than one device manufacturer is a little different than saying Apple is falling behind motorola android devices.
 
NT1440 said:
The May figures very well may have Android in front, but Apple cited the April figures, so its not false in any way.
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There is no way Apple would of lost a 16% market share in a month's period. Unless you have information (proof) of the latest market share percentages, then we can all assume the information provided today during the keynote is the most up-to-date data yet.


Pmoser said:
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire...-s-in-smartphone-market-share-and-data-usage/

The chart apple presented was mobile os including ipads and ipod touches. If we only count phones android is in the lead
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True or not... Unless it's coming from one of the actual companies, I refuse to believe it. Anyone could put together a pie chart and pick percentages. I've never heard about this blog/website before and there are no sources of where this information is coming from.
 
The pie chart is misleading, not false. ;)
The chart includes ANY device running iOS.
This means they are including the iPad and iPod Touch.
 
One iPhone vs 1000 ****-out-as-fast-as-you-can-android devices. 44% and still in the lead in damn impressive. Besides look at iOS 5. Maybe it brought features in that android already has but iOS 4 is still doing well despite being "not as good".:rolleyes::apple::apple:
 
Android are 'ahead' (if having more active devices means they're ahead...) of Apple in terms of SMARTPHONE market share. The pie chart posted above also includes iPod Touch and iPad devices. This slide was talked about on one of the WWDC keynote commentaries.
 
The devil is in the details.

Apple's piechart is referring to ALL MOBILE device marketshare...they are including iPads, iPod touches and iPhones....

Android is beating iPhone in Smartphone marketshare.
 
rjohnstone said:
The pie chart is misleading, not false. ;)
The chart includes ANY device running iOS.
This means they are including the iPad and iPod Touch.
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Why is it misleading? The keynote was for an iOS release, not an iPhone. And, both RIM and Android have devices besides phones on the market.
 
No, the only reason Apple is falling behind, is because there is a brand new Android phone every month.
 
rjohnstone said:
The pie chart is misleading, not false. ;)
The chart includes ANY device running iOS.
This means they are including the iPad and iPod Touch.
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The chart is by operating system. Note how Android says...Android.

Its not by device type, your "misleading" applies to all the OS's.
 
iApples said:
Really? They're losing? I guess the pie chart presented during the keynote was incorrect... I'm sure you would know a lot more than Apple would.

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I'm not exactly sure what this chart represented, but certainly every report I;'ve seen this year over the past couple of years had Android outpacing iOS devices but a fairly large factor in terms of unit sales. Just do a search.

Tony
 
NT1440 said:
The chart is by operating system. Note how Android says...Android.

Its not by device type, your "misleading" applies to all the OS's.
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Umm no... if you look at the Nielson data, Apple s throwing in the kitchen sink while only counting phones for the other vendors.
It's the only way they can come up with those numbers.
Kinda like GW's fuzzy math. ;)
 
Tones2 said:
I'm not exactly sure what this chart represented, but certainly every report I;'ve seen this year over the past couple of years had Android outpacing iOS devices but a fairly large factor in terms of unit sales. Just do a search.

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Not true...reports show that android phones are outselling iPhones, but android devices are not outselling iOS devices
 
rjohnstone said:
Umm no... if you look at the Nielson data, Apple s throwing in the kitchen sink while only counting phones for the other vendors.
It's the only way they can come up with those numbers.
Kinda like GW's fuzzy math. ;)
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Link?

I watched the whole keynote. Seeing as this was WWDC, they had a lot of focus on Operating Systems. It was during that talk that the pie chart came up, so it was natural for me to assume they were talking to us nerds, about the OS's rather than unit sales.

Anyone have a link to the full picture with the text underneath?
 
iApples said:
Really? They're losing? I guess the pie chart presented during the keynote was incorrect... I'm sure you would know a lot more than Apple would.
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That chart measures iOS across three devices. A lot of Apple's presence is due to the iPod touch and more recently the iPad.

In the smartphone market, Apple is behind Android in market share.

NT1440 said:
What exactly are they falling behind in?
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I for one was disappointed with iOS 5 today. The only things we saw were features that have been in Android for over a year already. A lot of Apple's keynote today was admitting that other OSes had done things better (especially notifications).

If I wait until September to get a new phone and a new OS, I will already have more options in features.

I must admit I'm honestly wondering if I shouldn't just try out a competing OS for one year and come back when Apple has it's act together again.
 
NT1440 said:
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Several posts above mine...
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire...-s-in-smartphone-market-share-and-data-usage/

CalBoy said:
I must admit I'm honestly wondering if I shouldn't just try out a competing OS for one year and come back when Apple has it's act together again.
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This is exactly what I'm doing. I put down the Apple goggles for a while to REALLY experience other platforms.
I started with WP7, but the hardware from Samsung was lacking badly. I couldn't blame the OS for all the issues I was having. Granted the OS had it's fair share too.
I went to Android with what was touted to be the badass of all Android phones.. the Atrix.
Moto has done a fine job of screwing that up too. BUT... the OS has lots of wiggle room and I can "tweak or fix" what Moto screwed up.
It's still a locked device, but I've managed to not let that bother me.

I still have my 3GS in my briefcase "just in case". ;)
 
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