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Apple Falling Behind

iApples said:
Really? They're losing? I guess the pie chart presented during the keynote was incorrect... I'm sure you would know a lot more than Apple would.

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um, this pie chart is including ipod touch, which is NOT a mobile phone.

in the mobile world, there are more Android smartphones than mobile iOS phones. and this is a fact.
 
I understand that people may be disappointed by the keynote (for the record, I was fine with it), but reading the forums here makes it seem like it's the end for Apple.

Right.
 
I was most disappointed with the notifications. I have a feeling there will be a law suit in the future. They copied android no denying it
 
rjohnstone said:
This is exactly what I'm doing. I put down the Apple goggles for a while to REALLY experience other platforms.
I started with WP7, but the hardware from Samsung was lacking badly. I couldn't blame the OS for all the issues I was having. Granted the OS had it's fair share too.
I went to Android with what was touted to be the badass of all Android phones.. the Atrix.
Moto has done a fine job of screwing that up too. BUT... the OS has lots of wiggle room and I can "tweak or fix" what Moto screwed up.
It's still a locked device, but I've managed to not let that bother me.

I still have my 3GS in my briefcase "just in case". 😉
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If you don't mind me asking, what do the manufacturers do to so badly mess up their phones?

I must admit that Android phones tend to be less "pretty" but their customizability seemed to be very valuable.
 
NT1440 said:
This:



Does not back up this:




Just so we are clear all I'm asking for is if that graph really represented all iOS and excluded parts of other OS install bases.
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Yes, it does...
Look at the numbers again. Apples proportions only add up if you leave the Nielson data static for all other vendors and add in the rest of the iOS devices. This will artificially lower the other vendors share while exaggerating Apple's. You can only slice up 100 so many ways.

And you will be hard pressed to get the latter data from Apple.
 
CalBoy said:
If you don't mind me asking, what do the manufacturers do to so badly mess up their phones?

I must admit that Android phones tend to be less "pretty" but their customizability seemed to be very valuable.
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Install their own services in favor of stock Android.
Then lock those services down so you cannot remove them without bricking the phone. Granted many will only be a softbrick and the phone can be recovered, but it's still irritating to say the least.

Biggest pet peeve is them REMOVING stock services.
 
Antaios said:
The devil is in the details.

Apple's piechart is referring to ALL MOBILE device marketshare...they are including iPads, iPod touches and iPhones....

Android is beating iPhone in Smartphone marketshare.
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This. But overall I still think that Android's smartphone market share is a little unfair because of how many more devices android is on compared to iPhone. So, really I like Apple's pie chart of the mobile OS world, because it truly shows how many more iOS devices are sold and used.
 
Do you people not read? It was only a few days ago there was an article on here than Apple had edged out RIM in smart phone market share. The iPad has little substantial competition, and AFAIK there is no Android competitor to the iPod. So to include both is misleading to say the least.
 
pyro008 said:
Do you people not read? It was only a few days ago there was an article on here than Apple had edged out RIM in smart phone market share. The iPad has little substantial competition, and AFAIK there is no Android competitor to the iPod. So to include both is misleading to say the least.
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Again, why is it misleading? It was an iOS announcement, not an iPhone announcement. There is nothing preventing Android and RIM from competing in all aspects of the mobile OS market except themselves.
 
rjohnstone said:
Install their own services in favor of stock Android.
Then lock those services down so you cannot remove them without bricking the phone. Granted many will only be a softbrick and the phone can be recovered, but it's still irritating to say the least.

Biggest pet peeve is them REMOVING stock services.
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I see. That is problematic. Is any manufacturer better than others?

I'm very much on the fence atm. I don't know if I should wait out the next four months for the ease of sticking to iOS or just jumping ship now and dealing with the difficulties now and reaping the rewards later.
 
rjohnstone said:
Yes, it does...
Look at the numbers again. Apples proportions only add up if you leave the Nielson data static for all other vendors and add in the rest of the iOS devices. This will artificially lower the other vendors share while exaggerating Apple's. You can only slice up 100 so many ways.

And you will be hard pressed to get the latter data from Apple.
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No that makes no sense whatsoever. That is chart for mobile phones, it says nothing of additional devices.

The numbers for other OSes changed, they were not static.

There is no evidence either way that I can find.

If you are saying that because the needle would have barely moved for any competitor, well, that only makes sense, as competitors are not selling other devices in large quantity.

Android: galaxy tab, XOOM
BB - BB play book

How many do you think they sold, and in perspective of the entire pie, how much do they account for? I'd be SHOCKED if together the totaled more than 5%.

If Apple was 44% with more than 200 million, then the total is probably 455 millionish right? Do you think there are 20 million android and BB tablets/media players sold? 15 million?
 
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pyro008 said:
Do you people not read? It was only a few days ago there was an article on here than Apple had edged out RIM in smart phone market share. The iPad has little substantial competition, and AFAIK there is no Android competitor to the iPod. So to include both is misleading to say the least.
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Really, that is misleading, at a DEVELOPERS conference?

A little perspective on the audience would serve you well.
 
Apple is Streets ahead at this point.

rjohnstone said:
Several posts above mine...
http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire...-s-in-smartphone-market-share-and-data-usage/
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You claimed that the study compared IOS devices to only Android smartphones, that is not true. Where is the link for you to support that?

Android is an OS. IOS is an OS. They should be compared. Comparing Android phones (Google makes almost no phones), to Apple iPhones is stupid. it is not a valid comparison. Comparing the OSes is valid.

I like how people try to discount the OS comparison or somehow claim it is trickery on Apple's part when the exact opposite is true. When people try to claim that comparing OS for Smartphones only is somehow a valid comparison when all those phones are made by 20 different companies. That comparison is entirely irrelevant. Who benefits from that information or knowledge?

There are significantly more IOS devices out there than Android devices. That is an indisputable fact. That is an Apple to Apple comparison, so to speak.

Comparing restricted data would be like Apple claiming they have more installed phone users running iOS than Microsoft does have Windows 7. So apple can claim that iOS is bigger than Windows. That is silly.
 
marksman said:
Apple is Streets ahead at this point.



You claimed that the study compared IOS devices to only Android smartphones, that is not true. Where is the link for you to support that?
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This is where everyone (Apple, Google, etc) gets their numbers.
http://www.comscore.com/Press_Event...pril_2011_U.S._Mobile_Subscriber_Market_Share

As you can see, when comparing smartphones only, the Android OS has a larger install base than iOS (36.4% vs 26%)

When comparing all mobile devices (which includes both smartphones and dumb-phones), Samsung has more devices than Apple (24.5% vs 20.9%)

Android is an OS. IOS is an OS. They should be compared. Comparing Android phones (Google makes almost no phones), to Apple iPhones is stupid. it is not a valid comparison. Comparing the OSes is valid.
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Fair enough, but at the same time that means you shouldn't complain when people compare the 3-dozen or so Android smartphones to the four models of iPhones. The purpose of Comscore data is to collect data on devices which require a carrier subscription. iPods and most iPads do not require one.

I like how people try to discount the OS comparison or somehow claim it is trickery on Apple's part when the exact opposite is true. When people try to claim that comparing OS for Smartphones only is somehow a valid comparison when all those phones are made by 20 different companies. That comparison is entirely irrelevant. Who benefits from that information or knowledge?
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See above. Tablets are still a niche market. The data that most advertisers and social networking organizations are interested in is from phones because they are ubiquitous and most people do not share them. This makes the demographic and behavioral data mined from these devices more valuable.
Smartphone ownership is a zero-sum game as most people do not simultaenously maintain subscriptions on more than one such device. This is why the market share data is valuable to companies trying to decide upon which platform to enter this space/market.

There are significantly more IOS devices out there than Android devices. That is an indisputable fact. That is an Apple to Apple comparison, so to speak.
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Unfortunately, this can be misleading because some iOS devices (particularly the older or cheaper ipods) do not carry the full capability of the tablets and phones. With Android, every device that can access the Market has minimum specifications (gps, wifi radio, etc); including the media players (which have not been widely released yet). Such discrepancies are probably part of the reason that Comscore singles out smartphones for their analysis.

Comparing restricted data would be like Apple claiming they have more installed phone users running iOS than Microsoft does have Windows 7. So apple can claim that iOS is bigger than Windows. That is silly.
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That is a matter of opinion, but the professionals who collect this industry data have a different option on how it should be reported.
 
iApples said:
Really? They're losing? I guess the pie chart presented during the keynote was incorrect... I'm sure you would know a lot more than Apple would.

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WTF is this garbage. Tell me what this is measuring. The amount of people to visit this sight on mobile platforms.? I think it is very fair for me to say this chart does not have any information on it. We all seen the chart stating that apple had just passed Blackberry in install market. With android still being 10% higher in smart phones OSs. If that is all mobile OSs then that is wrong. Apple Has ~59% of all internet mobile devices. Basically that graph does not add to this discussion because it does not state what it is measuring or when it took place.
 
seajay96 said:
Why is it misleading? The keynote was for an iOS release, not an iPhone. And, both RIM and Android have devices besides phones on the market.
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Well for how long android has been out and the other devices they are putting out they aren't that far behind.. I think apple is starting to loose it's foot hold...

There are alot of companies that could use android for an OS.. There is more room for growth...


James
 
People will never be happy. They delivered on the most wanted features/revamps consumers have demanded. They added additional functionality through iCloud. Seriously, what more do people want?

All smartphones more or less do the same things--just differently. What the complainers really want in my view is not "features" but they want an entirely new UI--something entirely aesthetic and nothing to do with real new features. If you are bored with the iPhone UI then simply get another damn phone from another company.
 
CalBoy said:
I for one was disappointed with iOS 5 today. The only things we saw were features that have been in Android for over a year already. A lot of Apple's keynote today was admitting that other OSes had done things better (especially notifications). .
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Seems like apple took something away from android.. Apple's new notification seems to work exactly like droids does..


James
 
iApples said:
Really? They're losing? I guess the pie chart presented during the keynote was incorrect... I'm sure you would know a lot more than Apple would.

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so basicly Apple cheats and has to add in there iPods and iPads to make themselves look better when comparing themselves to just phones.

Not exactly what I call a valid pie chart but Apple marketing BS. In this case not a valid argument for phones.
 
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