It is.
Change <> substantial change. It may not be the last of it and things may change…not in the way anybody envisions.
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Apple Files Appeal in Epic Games Lawsuit, Asks to Delay App Store Changes
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In most places 33% is a failing grade. I suppose you’re allowed to set low standards for yourself though. Even then it’s really not a great look when you also include “you people really need get your stories straight” in your mostly incorrect statement. 😆
It has to be substantial change now? I guess the goal post moving has begun. And South Korea has told Apple they’re not allowed to force devs to use Apple’s IAP for purchases. Apple losing that cut would seem to be substantial.
You can't stop all fraud and you very well know this....
Stop with the calling people haters, just because you defend Apple like they give two ***** about you doesn't mean everyone else is a hater 🙄🙄🙄 And by the way, they DON'T give two ***** about you 🙄
The weird thing with iOS is that it has a very small market share compared to Android worldwide. I think iOS is only 20% vs 80& android.
Its the fact that iOS users spend the most money that developers hate the most.
Its not just about the "quantity" of customers its the "quality" that both developers and advertisers want so badly.
And Apple keeps making the point that to gather those type of customers means you have to be bold and do things a certain way. Its not easy, its very expensive to do and very risky.
And they want dev's to pay for what they have managed to create (a high quality, well paying user base).
And dev's keep pretending that that user base was either: always there, easy to create or meaningless.
And that is the crux of this whole issue really.
If its easy to do why hasnt anyone else done it? If its meaningless why are you on the platform then?
Everyone wants their cake and to eat it at the same time.
It’s a good thing I don’t need to prove anything on an anonymous Internet forum. 33% is a great grade if your chance of survival was upped to 33 from 10. In the spirit of things the above gets a grade of 33% as being on-topic.
Your arguments have had so many holes poked in them by people who have cogent discussions, they look like Swiss cheese. Yes change has to be substantial. And to date there have been minor changes across the board.
You do realize without all of those apps that iOS would be nothing?
The easy solution should be Apple fees should be treated as taxes, extra to the order. So, if 9.99 is presented it would be 9.99 + tax and fees.
I want to start selling items in Walmart and Target, but I want them to be able to pay using a third party app so Walmart or Target don't get any money for letting me put my item on their shelves. It's an absurd idea. If you want the exposure of your stuff on Walmart's or Target's shelves, you have to pay Walmart and Target for that privilege. Epic, and all developers, should have to pay apple a percentage of their sales for the exposure that comes with having their apps on the app store that Apple developed. These payments are what allow Apple to maintain the app store, further develop it, and make sure that it works for all Apple devices.
I’m talking about the business model of using IAP to capture the tax/commission. As it stands now some of the biggest companies pay no tax/commission at all because they don’t offer IAP. Heck Apple created a special app category so some of the biggest names could get out of paying a commission. If Apple deserves this commission for providing the platform, tools, customers, support etc. then why doesn’t it apply to all developers? Isn’t there a better way for Apple to charge for this than IAP?
Facebook. Of course I can’t prove they don’t pay anything as I believe both Facebook and Instagram offer some type of IAP but my guess is the majority of users who use those apps on their iOS devices aren’t purchasing anything inside the app.
What's absurd is the stupid analogy to Walmart.
Which is why I think the business model needs to change. Come up with some other way of charging developers and it should only be tied to the cost of running the App Store and providing the tools/support to develop and maintain an iOS app. No more of this rent seeking. No more of this you’re only successful because of Apple and therefore we deserve a cut of your success.
Sure relative to 10%, 33% is better. Objectively that’s still terrible lol. If someone tells me I have a 33% chance of survival, I’m going to start getting my affairs in order. Similarly, if I’m only 33% correct on something, I’m going to be a little embarrassed. Especially if I had simultaneously accused others of not having their facts straight. A bit of a pot and kettle situation..
“Apple criticized the legislation in a statement Tuesday, saying it will ‘put users who purchase digital goods from other sources at risk of fraud, undermine their privacy protections, make it difficult to manage their purchases’ and make parental controls and other features less effective. ‘We believe user trust in App Store purchases will decrease as a result of this legislation’ and lead to fewer opportunities for Korean app developers, the company said."
Hmm, Apple doesn’t seem to think they’re minor. I don’t know why they would since some of their IAP revenue will be drying up. It’s that very revenue that they’re so desperate to protect in all of this.
Except most apps on the App Store are free to download. And many are free to use (with or without ads). As far as I know there is nothing free inside Walmart or Target. Everything in their store costs something.
But certainly apple doesn’t want it to be marketed that way or tons of people will complain a few years after App Store debut and pressure apple to lower the tax. Will App Store be as successful as it is today? Who knows. But bean counter Tim crook will not be happy cause he won’t receive as many millions as he wants.
The above gets a 33% grade for its overall contribution to the topic. Embarrassing, surely.
Tell me the changes that have occurred and whether they are substantial. Until it’s done, it’s not done.
No, that fee is for membership in the developer program.
Also, Apple can increase or change their commission structure how they see fit.
Deflection noted, but as you wish, moving on.
South Korea has said Apple cannot prevent devs from using third-party payment systems directly in the app. This is exactly what Epic did and is what Apple has fought to keep Epic and other devs from doing in the future. That’s the biggest piece of what this entire Epic case is about and South Korea told Apple that those rules are not going to fly there.