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You are paying extra when purchasing via any retailer online or not, not just Apple. Only thing that really changes is how much you pay. It really doesn't matter if it is Amazon, Walmart, Kaufland, Google, Microsoft, Steam, Epic store...etc. you always pay extra for privilege of using their store. If you pay by credit card for anything, you pay extra. Some retailers are not accepting credit cards because of that. Same goes for Apple Pay. You pay extra. Prices are already higher for you as a customer, so you may not realise that the price you pay is not going fully to the seller who made the goods.

When Apple store in 2008 was created it was god send for mobile developers. 70/30 split was very good deal. Not many people realize that situation was much worse for developers before appstore. As developer you were lucky if you got 30%. For example: Nokia OVI store, payment made with premium SMS, for 1$, developer could get 30 cents, Nokia took 30%, network operator took 30+% depending on country, for example in Turkey it was 50% and you still have to pay taxes. Fun, right?

There is still option for "dating apps" to go Netflix route, where you have to pay on their web site, and app is just for using it, but you are not doing any transactions there. But they want a cake and eat it too. Not going to fly. Especially in Europe where Apple is in many countries under 20% of market share.
And eu have applied a interchange fees limit for consumer debit and credit cards to 0.2 percent and 0.3 percent respectively. So things change
 
And until the day any developers copy this code inside their app you might have a case.

No court agrees with this statement. You can read the ruling, they rejected this argument as irrelevant.
The code is intellectual property. Like with other property, the owner can ask a fee for its use.
 
You realize that EPIC does not have monopoly/duopoly, nor anticompetitively blocks you from developing with Unity3D, and even supports other GameEngines like Goddot.
Epic has a monopoly on the Epic Store. You know, just like Apple has a monopoly on the Apple Store. Apple doesn’t anti-competively block folks from buying Android phones. Or FairPhones. If they did, the market share outside the US would be VERY different. :)
 
You understand there is no difference between digital and physical purchases right? EU don’t have a single law treating them differently
Oh?
specifically

“If you purchase digital content - such as music or a video online - you cannot withdraw once downloading or streaming has started, if you previously agreed that you would lose your right of withdrawal by starting the performance.”

If a user receives shipment of content, they can send it back. If they receive delivery (download) of digital content, it’s theirs.
 
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There is no documentation. It’s just counted as failure to comply and counted as a new illegal act. Dutch law is subjected to EU ruling. And the Dutch court would effectively ask the EUCJ of their opinion in relation to EU law and not Dutch law, because EU law always supersedes local law
Ah, so it’s nowhere near guaranteed. This could get to the EUC and the EUC says, “Why specifically just dating apps? You guys ARE acting kinda weird, no we’re not gonna continue this.”
 
Let's not bash the Netherlands, it is a lovely country, if a bit cold at times.

That being said, this regulation is a bit strange. I mean, why just dating apps? Is it because those companies were the only ones that sued? Regulations are necessary, but they should make sense and be applied fairly. It's also much easier when they apply across the EU. Similarly, we have a bizarre patchwork of laws in the US around privacy, I wish the feds would just adopt something like GDPR already, the tech companies are already complying with those conditions, so little work for them.

In any case, even in Europe, profit is not illegal. At least not yet. The EU has lots of problems, so does the US, and China, and Brazil, and India, and... pretty much every place on the planet right now.
 
Let's not bash the Netherlands, it is a lovely country, if a bit cold at times.

That being said, this regulation is a bit strange. I mean, why just dating apps? Is it because those companies were the only ones that sued? Regulations are necessary, but they should make sense and be applied fairly. It's also much easier when they apply across the EU. Similarly, we have a bizarre patchwork of laws in the US around privacy, I wish the feds would just adopt something like GDPR already, the tech companies are already complying with those conditions, so little work for them.

In any case, even in Europe, profit is not illegal. At least not yet. The EU has lots of problems, so does the US, and China, and Brazil, and India, and... pretty much every place on the planet right now.
Yes, it’s because they are the ones who filed the lawsuit. The ruling can still extend to other apps.
 
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What exactly are people buying on these dating apps that costs money ?
It’s all a scam, 85% are bots, but you don’t know that, then they ask you to pay monthly fees that are hard to get out of, at which point you pay to get noticed or read messages. Did I tell you how hard it is to get out them? Because once you sign up they will subscribe your email to other dating apps and all of a sudden you have like 4 subscriptions to get out of and a ton of spam

Funnily enough a bunch of them have addresses in the Netherlands
 
Oh?
specifically

“If you purchase digital content - such as music or a video online - you cannot withdraw once downloading or streaming has started, if you previously agreed that you would lose your right of withdrawal by starting the performance.”

If a user receives shipment of content, they can send it back. If they receive delivery (download) of digital content, it’s theirs.
Streaming is a service. In the same way if you leave the theater or concert doesn’t give you the right to a refund
Ah, so it’s nowhere near guaranteed. This could get to the EUC and the EUC says, “Why specifically just dating apps? You guys ARE acting kinda weird, no we’re not gonna continue this.”
Ha not at all, it would be more of why only dating apps. This must apply for everyone.
They look att anything that could be related to the case by proxy
 
And as I have provided. Both EUROPEAN COURT OF JUSTICE and the UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT say no you can’t
So, Microsoft charging for a windows license is illegal?
API‘s are a tiny part of the IP.

Your example is about someone being allowed to use the same API to access functionality they built themselves that works the same as someone else’s.

If you build a house that looks like someone else ’s and go live in it, they can’t ask you for rent.

An iOS developer is not building a work alike system that does what iOS does, they are using the actual thing Apple made and owns.
 
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They are currently in court over this. So don’t worry.
And it’s already looking bad for apple

And you made the arg
Okay. Let it play out. But the answer is currently apple collects fees on IAP and probably will continue to do so.

It’s a year old article…current status please - since you were kind enough to post the original article.
 
So, Microsoft charging for a windows license is illegal?
API‘s are a tiny part of the IP.

Your example is about someone being allowed to use the same API to access functionality they built themselves that works the same as someone else’s.
No it covers API as a whole. And are excluded from any copyright claim. Just as
If you build a house that looks like someone else ’s and go live in it, they can’t ask you for rent.
If the design is copyrighted by an architect, then yes they can.
An iOS developer is not building a work alike system that does what iOS does, they are using the actual thing Apple made and owns.
Microsoft charges for the use of the windows operating system and verify this with DRM. DRM isn’t illegal.

And developers are doing system calls. It’s clearly presented in the courts ruling.
 
It’s been a “possible combination” for 10 plus years. :)
!0 years ago, apps were just a gimmick. Handy little tools for nerds. Today Smartphones play a huge role in the economy, politicians communicate using twitter. Things changed and when companies grow to big, the‘ll get regulated or split into parts.
Apple simply is not allowed to control bank transfer’s of a whole country - this is not going to happen.
 
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It’s all a scam, 85% are bots, but you don’t know that, then they ask you to pay monthly fees that are hard to get out of, at which point you pay to get noticed or read messages. Did I tell you how hard it is to get out them? Because once you sign up they will subscribe your email to other dating apps and all of a sudden you have like 4 subscriptions to get out of and a ton of spam

Funnily enough a bunch of them have addresses in the Netherlands
They don’t subscribe you to other apps, certainly not a paid subscription and if you’re claiming that, that’s a flat out lie.
 
Streaming is a service. In the same way if you leave the theater or concert doesn’t give you the right to a refund
As I said, If you order GTA and receive a disk, if you don’t play it you can send it back. If you order GTA through the Playstation Store and download it NOT EVEN PLAY it, just download it, you can’t get a refund. That’s a clear distinction that the EU defines.
 
!0 years ago, apps were just a gimmick. Handy little tools for nerds. Today Smartphones play a huge role in the economy today, politicians communicate using twitter. Things changed and when companies grow to big, the‘ll get regulated or split into parts.
Apple simply is not allowed to control bank transfer’s of a whole county - this is not going to happen.
Is it your understanding that Apple controls bank transfer’s of a whole country? Would you be able to provide the name of that country? Because, I don’t know any country where Apple has 100% of the smartphone market. Even if they had 100% of the smartphone market, there’s still people doing business via the millions of computers in the world (there’s no requirement anywhere for anyone to own an iPhone to do a bank transfer). Bank transfers can also be handled via telephone.
 
As I said, If you order GTA and receive a disk, if you don’t play it you can send it back. If you order GTA through the Playstation Store and download it NOT EVEN PLAY it, just download it, you can’t get a refund. That’s a clear distinction that the EU defines.
so? its the consumers fault for ordering crap they dont want. I agree with Sony on this. dont buy it if you dont want it.
 
As I said, If you order GTA and receive a disk, if you don’t play it you can send it back. If you order GTA through the Playstation Store and download it NOT EVEN PLAY it, just download it, you can’t get a refund. That’s a clear distinction that the EU defines.
If I order GTA and download it I have a LEGAL right to return it. EU have already judged this. Hence why steam and apple allow you to return downloaded programs.
 
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