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It's just simply a money thing. Apple runs a "Build it and they will come" model... as in "look here, we've built powerful hardware capable of AAA gaming... now bring your games to Mac."

The rest of the gaming players have huge allocations of money to subsidize game creation. Gaming competitors allocate some of their cash hoards to buying whole gaming studios to then make their game portfolio into exclusives for a given platform. There have been MANY such opportunities popping up in the last 10-15 years and Apple is not exactly cash starved. How many major game studios have "serious about gaming" Apple acquired?

PC and platform customers are accustomed to paying much more than $1-$5 for games- it's actually "normal" for them. Meanwhile, when the occasional bigger game gets a test on Apple tech, Apple people freak out if the dev wants more than $1-$5 and/or attempts to monetize with some embedded advertising and/or in-app purchases. Where's the money for the devs??? They build the game over years in hopes of making money on it... NOT for charity.

Lastly, the whole Epic games fiasco pits the 64000LB gorilla pounding away at a major game studio in court battle after court battle... while kicking the revenue stream for that game dev out of the store. Feel about this however you want but the message sent to all game developers is that Apple is not nearly the good partner that others are: it's Apple's way or the highway (or expensive legal actions). And Apple steps up for first big cut right off the top, even before the creator of the game gets a nickel. How often do you see Sony or Microsoft pounding away at big game developers for years through legal means?

If you can step outside any brand bias and put yourself in developer shoes: for whom do YOU want to develop big games that can take years of work? A company that may eject your games from the store at any time and who certainly puts themselves first? A company that may attempt to sue you into oblivion using much deeper pockets? A company with no subsidy money (you cover dev out of YOUR own pocket)? A market that freaks if you want more than about $5 for the game and rips into other ways to monetize your efforts such as advertising and in-app? Another way to ask the question is: why would you want to develop a big game for Mac?

The other pastures are much, MUCH greener (and friendlier) than a DEV taking on all of the cost & risk of developing a big game for Apple tech, stripped of comparable pricing, advertising and in-app revenue (as too many of the fandom seem to want them) and at risk of being kicked out of the store and potentially relentlessly sued for years. The other markets are accustomed to paying much more for games and/or accepting of other ways to make some money for the efforts of creating the games.

Apple is serious about gaming "this time" when they allocate an AppleTV+ like budget to gaming for subsidies, buying a few major gaming studios, etc... like they are "being serious" about streaming video by allocating money and Human Resources to creating original visual content. They're serious when they shift from a "me" focus to a "we" (prosper together) focus, as in being a more attractive partner/channel for game distribution... and when they settle suits in a way that gives the developer of the games better opportunity to reap the rewards of THEIR work.

While games remain just recurring lip service every few years, Apple can "build it" all they want but gaming will NOT come. The game competitors have a thriving model worked out. Play ball or go home.

I like Apple tech just fine but when it comes to gaming, hope gets you nowhere. Get yourself a gaming PC or one of the consoles and enjoy the big games today. All those other players ARE serious about gaming, demonstrated in very tangible ways- measured in hard cash and human talent investments- that go beyond only lip service.
Wow, really well said.

As an Apple App developer (non-gaming), we are preparing to move away from the Apple ecosystem. There are just too many nanny rules, plus they change at a whim, are inconsistently enforced, and it certainly feels like the they are determined by children that flop around on the floor when they don't get their way.
 
We actually like the spying Apps on our TVs. We want the studios and distributers to know that we are NOT watching the crappy content they produce.

I hadn't thought about this angle on "privacy" as it relates to video content ... but you're right!

I do actually want them to know what I watch / don't watch .... and maybe they could produce less total garbage
 
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I hadn't thought about this angle on "privacy" as it relates to video content ... but you're right!

I do actually want them to know what I watch / don't watch .... and maybe they could produce less total garbage

No, they don't make anything that no one is watching. We can't project what we watch onto everyone else... as if our favorites are everyone else's favorites and thus all that filler content we don't watch isn't watched by anyone. Everything they produce gets eyeballs... or they kill it. There is no fluff creations for no eyeballs. They wouldn't waste the production money.

Apple example: I own just one iPad (Mini). It's the only iPad I like. I have zero interest in the rest of them... so no need for Apple to make the rest of them??? Of course not, Apple makes no products that no one buys. This includes 4 models of iPhone and all variants of Mac. Apple tech in which I have zero interest are somebody else's favorite.

Exhibit A: 10 Hours of Paint Drying on YouTube...


Yes, it is exactly what it says it is. How many views? Sit down before you see the answer as I write this...

1.9 MILLION :eek:

The closest one gets to no eyeballs risk in professional/studio productions are brand new pilots (one episode) but even that will get some eyeballs. The question with any given pilot: is there enough eyeballs to warrant ordering more episodes of this new show?
 
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No, they don't make anything that no one is watching.

Well of course they do … they have to make it in the first place to have nobody watch it

They might not make more like it, but they had to have the failure in the first place to get that data

There’s a logical conundrum there by saying they don’t make anything unpopular

We should have a special note here for Netflix, who cares not if things are watched because they’re just trying to keep you subscribed and always have new content no matter what quality level it is

Just a note for passersby

It goes without saying that no one is suggesting “nobody” watches something … we are speaking in relative terms about popularity.
 
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Apple's slate of 2025 products look to be dominated by a large number of low-cost and entry-level devices. Here's what to expect....
Everything is meh. Where's the innovative? That's what Zuckerberg wants to know 😂


Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg slammed rival tech giant Apple for lackluster innovation efforts and “random rules” in a lengthy podcast interview on Friday.

“On the one hand, [the iPhone has] been great, because now pretty much everyone in the world has a phone, and that’s kind of what enables pretty amazing things,” Zuckerberg said in an episode of the “Joe Rogan Experience.” “But on the other hand ... they have used that platform to put in place a lot of rules that I think feel arbitrary and (I) feel like they haven’t really invented anything great in a while. It’s like Steve Jobs invented the iPhone, and now they’re just kind of sitting on it 20 years later.”

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Everything is meh. Where's the innovative? That's what Zuckerberg wants to know 😂


Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg slammed rival tech giant Apple for lackluster innovation efforts and “random rules” in a lengthy podcast interview on Friday.

“On the one hand, [the iPhone has] been great, because now pretty much everyone in the world has a phone, and that’s kind of what enables pretty amazing things,” Zuckerberg said in an episode of the “Joe Rogan Experience.” “But on the other hand ... they have used that platform to put in place a lot of rules that I think feel arbitrary and (I) feel like they haven’t really invented anything great in a while. It’s like Steve Jobs invented the iPhone, and now they’re just kind of sitting on it 20 years later.”

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I don't like Zuckerberg, but he's not wrong. In my opinion, literally the only thing Apple does great is their mobile CPUs. They have best-in-class performance per watt chips. But's that's where it ends: per watt. You can still get more powerful machines if you want to feed more power into the chips.

But nothing else is magical. If we look at competing laptops in the same price range, they are built with an aluminum chassis, have OLED 120 Hz 100% P3 screens, 1 TB SSDs, 16 GB RAM, they are light weight, have better port selections. The list goes on. If we bump the price up more to Apple's higher end laptops we get laptops that have all the above features plus discrete NVIDIA GPUs that can run circles around Apple's integrated GPUs.

The phone landscape is not much different. Competitors offer more for the same price or less. OnePlus just released the 13 and 13R, those look like fantastic phones and the price is better than Apple's offerings. Soon Samsung will release the S25 and while their prices are more aligned to Apple's, the offerings will be the same or better.

In the past we paid an "Apple tax" but it could almost be justified because the hardware was a little better and the software worked really well. Now we pay an Apple tax times two and it's not better than the competitors. Apple is offering last year's technology at next year's prices. iOS 18 and iPadOS 18 are basically alpha software releases (feature incomplete and buggy) and Sequoia isn't much better.

As someone who uses Windows and macOS regularly, Windows is by far more stable and reliable.* It's a shame because I want to like Apple but they really are just sitting on what worked in the past and I think they're going to keep doing that for as long as possible.

*I think the key with making Windows work well is to just do a completely clean install when getting a new computer. This gets rid of all the bloat that OEMs include.
 
While I appreciate the interface, every app you are running on Apple TV is feeding info back to the streaming provider. There is still spying.

I personally like the Roku interface better. Have a Firewalla running on the network, though, to block all the phoning home, tracking and ads. Plus is friendlier to our mixed android/iOS household.
I have a couple of Roku TVs in the house. I quite like them. Having multiple remotes for TVs that essentially just stream video is a non-starter for me.

That being said, the Roku’s do an incredible amount of “phoning home” data just on their own, but I use a pi-hole to block as much as possible. Keeps them from showing any ads as well.
 
it will be interesting to see how far Apple may expand into smart home devices in the future. Technically, they really only have the HomePod (and maybe AirTag, if that counts).

Most of these devices are very low margin (from what I understand), but I know a lot of people would trust Apple with these devices.

Imagine if Apple started selling smart appliances (like Samsung). That would be hilarious.
 
it will be interesting to see how far Apple may expand into smart home devices in the future. Technically, they really only have the HomePod (and maybe AirTag, if that counts).

Most of these devices are very low margin (from what I understand), but I know a lot of people would trust Apple with these devices.

Imagine if Apple started selling smart appliances (like Samsung). That would be hilarious.
Samsung is primarily a manufacturer. I see Apple as being more of a software company that designs hardware to help ensure optimal integration. The distinction can be subtle at times but makes a difference in determining what new directions they each take
 
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Well, Siri will be better in iOS 19 the rumors tell. Last year we read Siri would get a complete overhaul with iOS 18.

While Siri is almost 14 years old now, it’s got the mindset of <1 year.
Yeah sure- but the new HomePods need to be capable of running it with enough ram etc… hopefully they will be And they won’t choke another re-buy in two years down our throats 🤓
 
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No way the'll cater for local models at that price point. It will be a cloud device. A higher-end one might (which is presumably why they're bulking it up with robotic arms etc), but expect to start paying iPad money at least for that.
Well I’m fine with that- but since they’re so focused on privacy, I’m afraid that most features wouldn’t be available at all if on device ai will be missing..
 
Samsung is primarily a manufacturer. I see Apple as being more of a software company that designs hardware to help ensure optimal integration. The distinction can be subtle at times but makes a difference in determining what new directions they each take
Samsung only a manufacturer? They design their own chips, camera’s, lcd and oled screens, own software similar to Apples but more capable, develop AI, smartwatches, mobile (folding)phones washingmachines, fridges, speakers and even more.

Samsung has a similar offerings all Apple has and way more. All designed in house and all working on in-house software.
 
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Highly doubt whether watch SE 3 will get S11 chip even if it announced alongside Series 11. Expecting the first launch of the year to be the M4 MacBook Air, but it cannot be called as a low cost device even though it is the entry level model for the laptops.
 
Everything is meh. Where's the innovative? That's what Zuckerberg wants to know 😂


Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg slammed rival tech giant Apple for lackluster innovation efforts and “random rules” in a lengthy podcast interview on Friday.

“On the one hand, [the iPhone has] been great, because now pretty much everyone in the world has a phone, and that’s kind of what enables pretty amazing things,” Zuckerberg said in an episode of the “Joe Rogan Experience.” “But on the other hand ... they have used that platform to put in place a lot of rules that I think feel arbitrary and (I) feel like they haven’t really invented anything great in a while. It’s like Steve Jobs invented the iPhone, and now they’re just kind of sitting on it 20 years later.”

[ . . . ]
Coming from Zuckerberg it sounds ridiculous
 
Samsung only a manufacturer? They design their own chips, camera’s, lcd and oled screens, own software similar to Apples but more capable, develop AI, smartwatches, mobile (folding)phones washingmachines, fridges, speakers and even more.

Samsung has a similar offerings all Apple has and way more. All designed in house and all working on in-house software.
Samsung software is a joke. It is based on Android and their UI is also known as Lagsung.
 
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Well I’m fine with that- but since they’re so focused on privacy, I’m afraid that most features wouldn’t be available at all if on device ai will be missing..

It might just be a stopgap thing in terms of leaning on cloud until they can get it all local (and have people swallow the cost for that).

Apple makes money out of hardware, not cloud/services etc (which are all there to support hardware sales, which is why most of those services suck in absolutes), which is the number 1 reason why they've nailed their testicles to the local LM mast - it has nothing to do with privacy except as a marketing tool.

I can however totally see them going down the path of hybrid LLM, but with their own cloud AI services running on of course Apple silicon. Like everything else it won't be anywhere near as good as where ChatGPT etc may be at at that time, but it will be good enough for most Apple buyers.
 
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It might just be a stopgap thing in terms of leaning on cloud until they can get it all local (and have people swallow the cost for that).

Apple makes money out of hardware, not cloud/services etc (which are all there to support hardware sales, which is why most of those services suck in absolutes), which is the number 1 reason why they've nailed their testicles to the local LM mast - it has nothing to do with privacy except as a marketing tool.

I can however totally see them going down the path of hybrid LLM, but with their own cloud AI services running on of course Apple silicon. Like everything else it won't be anywhere near as good as where ChatGPT etc may be at at that time, but it will be good enough for most Apple buyers.
You are wrong. 27/28% of Apple revenues are from services. Apple makes money out of hardware AND services
 
You are wrong. 27/28% of Apple revenues are from services. Apple makes money out of hardware AND services
A case of not being able to see the wood for the trees - don't worry about it, it's pretty typical here and elsewhere.

Of course they make money from those services - Apple does not do anything at a loss. But NONE of those services will be able to survive without them being tied to the hardware that Apple actually makes money from.
 
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