Apple Found Not Responsible in Fatal Car Crash Involving Distracted Driver Using FaceTime

NightFox said:
My point was that even if the OP considered the person who brought the case to be "deluded", then maybe their was good reason for his state of mind. I'm not saying I agree with the father, just I guess at his motivation
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In no state of mind is a company that makes a device guilty for the reckless use of the devices it sells. Can you sue a weapons manufacturer because someone used a gun to kill your daughter? Can you sue Ford if an Explorer is used to run over your daughter? The answer to all of these is no. Regardless of how painful or devastating the outcome is. The person using said device (or vehicle) is liable due to reckless usage (or simple ignorance of proper usage).
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groadyho said:
Just a brief counter argument here, but our car disables some functions on its entertainment/GPS/ phone messaging/ai assistant unit, or whatever you want to call it . This means some services cant be used while driving for those that feel the need to.
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You can still cause a collision while trying to change your radio or adjusting temperature settings. Should a car manufacturer be liable because you were distracted? No.

Those disabling features are nice to have, but they don't mean a manufacturer is liable for the recklessness of people.
 
The SUV just destroyed the other smaller car with the 5 year old in it. Very sad day for everyone. My heart breaks for any child who's life is ended too soon. On Christmas Eve - makes it even harder for the family.
 
groadyho said:
Just a brief counter argument here, but our car disables some functions on its entertainment/GPS/ phone messaging/ai assistant unit, or whatever you want to call it . This means some services cant be used while driving for those that feel the need to.
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How is that a counter argument? Apple has also implemented similar features. That doesn't make Apple or the car maker responsible for someone else's gross stupidity. If the phone were an essential element to using the vehicle, we'd be having a different conversation, but a person operating a vehicle is expected to understand that their first responsibility is to safely operate the vehicle. It's not someone else's responsibility to babysit the driver.
 
Is this why the stupid thing won't allow me to search the web using SIRI while driving? Phone is connected via bluetooth I'm just pressing steering wheel control to activate SIRI and asking the dumb thing a question but it barks back "I'm sorry but I can't search the web while you are driving". So now I have to pickup the phone and accomplish that task. Like it's safe to do that instead while driving. Who came up with this dumb idea? I can understand the FaceTime thing but some of the stuff is really stupid and really doesn't help with safety at all.

Mike
 
jav6454 said:
In no state of mind is a company that makes a device guilty for the reckless use of the devices it sells. Can you sue a weapons manufacturer because someone used a gun to kill your daughter? Can you sue Ford if an Explorer is used to run over your daughter? The answer to all of these is no. Regardless of how painful or devastating the outcome is. The person using said device (or vehicle) is liable due to reckless usage (or simple ignorance of proper usage).
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You can still cause a collision while trying to change your radio or adjusting temperature settings. Should a car manufacturer be liable because you were distracted? No.

Those disabling features are nice to have, but they don't mean a manufacturer is liable for the recklessness of people.
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I agree but it would eliminate the need for frivolous lawsuits. People just never learn, somethings have to be forced upon them before learning.
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mikefla said:
Is this why the stupid thing won't allow me to search the web using SIRI while driving? Phone is connected via bluetooth I'm just pressing steering wheel control to activate SIRI and asking the dumb thing a question but it barks back "I'm sorry but I can't search the web while you are driving". So now I have to pickup the phone and accomplish that task. Like it's safe to do that instead while driving. Who came up with this dumb idea? I can understand the FaceTime thing but some of the stuff is really stupid and really doesn't help with safety at all.

Mike
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Maybe searching the web while driving isn't a real smooth move. Put the phone down!, and watch the road. Pull over if you need to use it that badly.
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ravenstar said:
How is that a counter argument? Apple has also implemented similar features. That doesn't make Apple or the car maker responsible for someone else's gross stupidity. If the phone were an essential element to using the vehicle, we'd be having a different conversation, but a person operating a vehicle is expected to understand that their first responsibility is to safely operate the vehicle. It's not someone else's responsibility to babysit the driver.
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People aren't exactly bright.
 
Maybe Pokemon Go will finally remove the I'm a passenger prompt. Super annoying that they limit the game if you're going over a certain speed.
 
"if there's one good thing to come from this senseless tragedy, it's that it won't be able to happen again". Of course none of us know state of mind/motivation etc. but this is not one opinion that nobody has voiced here. Commonly heard on the steps of law courts.
 
groadyho said:
I agree but it would eliminate the need for frivolous lawsuits. People just never learn, somethings have to be forced upon them before learning.
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Maybe searching the web while driving isn't a real smooth move. Put the phone down!, and watch the road. Pull over if you need to use it that badly.
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People aren't exactly bright.
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I think you missed the point. I'm talking hands free to the dumb SIRI just like I can talk hands free on a phone call or do a gazillion other things in my vehicle using my voice while driving. The idea is to improve safety not to make it worse. By preventing me from using my voice to do certain things I'm now (and others) more prone to pickup the phone and do those things.

Mike
 
People who suffer a major accidental loss feel owed. Apple has deeper pockets than Garret Wilhelm.
 
mikefla said:
I think you missed the point. I'm talking hands free to the dumb SIRI just like I can talk hands free on a phone call or do a gazillion other things in my vehicle using my voice while driving. The idea is to improve safety not to make it worse. By preventing me from using my voice to do certain things I'm now (and others) more prone to pickup the phone and do those things.

Mike
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Nope you are missing the point. You are part of the problem when you do this, even if you could do it with Siri you are not paying 100% attention to driving. So stop doing that as it and you are not that important.
 
mikefla said:
I think you missed the point. I'm talking hands free to the dumb SIRI just like I can talk hands free on a phone call or do a gazillion other things in my vehicle using my voice while driving. The idea is to improve safety not to make it worse. By preventing me from using my voice to do certain things I'm now (and others) more prone to pickup the phone and do those things.

Mike
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Well you missed my point, you should pay attention to the road not do a gazillion things with your voice. As a motorcycle rider, your type scares me on the road.
 
I am sure the weapon industry would be able to implement measures against the use of their products for killing people... Would it ever be forced to do so? Well, at the very least courts are consistent.
 
Very tragic for the family of the 5 year old girl. But Apple should not have ever been sued for an individual's choice to FaceTime while driving. I'm sure we're on the horizon to where phones will need to be paired to cars as almost a second key. Once paired, it will disable all features of the phone minus emergency purposes and making and receiving phone calls. Basically a Do Not Disturb feature that automatically activates to start the car. After that comes completely autonomous cars.
 
This is the equivalent of someone eating food while driving and blaming McDonald's for having a drive through and the bags can be opened while in a car.
 
groadyho said:
Well you missed my point, you should pay attention to the road not do a gazillion things with your voice. As a motorcycle rider, your type scares me on the road.
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Talking handsfree while driving is something millions of people do every day around the world and that's not going to change. Riding a bike isn't the safest mode of transportation if you are worried about these things. Regardless of what you think or agree or don't agree with all it takes is a couple seconds for a deer to show in front of your car or your motorcycle and if you are not paying attention it's not going to be pretty. You could be doing anything in those couple seconds like you could sneeze and look down for example or gran something to wipe your nose. My point is, let's make technology work smarter not harder so that we can use it in a safer manner for the benefit of all!


Mike
 
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