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Point is - how many warnings, pop-ups and safety measures to cover all of the idiocies that humans get into are necessary to appeal to common sense?

When idiots refuse to stay off their devices, that endangers not just them, but everyone around them. Including me and my family. I 100% agree with something to completely disable phones in vehicles. And if innocent passengers are caught up in that, so be it. I shouldn't have to die because someone else thought it more important to talk to their children while out picking up some milk. We shouldn't have young children getting killed because some ******* thought he was special and could take that facetime call or answer a text or whatever. I don't feel human lives are an acceptable price for the luxury of using a cell phone. And I don't accept "but I need my phone for work". ********. We all managed to get along just fine before cell phones came along, we can do just fine now.

Using a phone while driving your vehicle is like playing Russian Roulette where you point the gun at someone else's head and pull the trigger. I shouldn't have to play someone else's stupid game. And since people won't stop, it should absolutely be 100% disabled while the vehicle is moving. I live in a state where it's illegal to use your phone while driving and it hasn't made a lick of difference from my observations. So yeah, completely disable those suckers. There's not a phone call or text in the world that is more important than innocent person's life.
 
When idiots refuse to stay off their devices, that endangers not just them, but everyone around them. Including me and my family. I 100% agree with something to completely disable phones in vehicles. And if innocent passengers are caught up in that, so be it. I shouldn't have to die because someone else thought it more important to talk to their children while out picking up some milk. We shouldn't have young children getting killed because some ******* thought he was special and could take that facetime call or answer a text or whatever. I don't feel human lives are an acceptable price for the luxury of using a cell phone. And I don't accept "but I need my phone for work". ********. We all managed to get along just fine before cell phones came along, we can do just fine now.

Using a phone while driving your vehicle is like playing Russian Roulette where you point the gun at someone else's head and pull the trigger. I shouldn't have to play someone else's stupid game. And since people won't stop, it should absolutely be 100% disabled while the vehicle is moving. I live in a state where it's illegal to use your phone while driving and it hasn't made a lick of difference from my observations. So yeah, completely disable those suckers. There's not a phone call or text in the world that is more important than innocent person's life.
I can’t agree with completely disabling phones. Stupid is as stupid does. People will still:
  • Read the newspaper
  • Eat soup
  • Shave
  • Put on makeup
  • Turn around to discipline their kids
  • Etc
 
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I can’t agree with completely disabling phones. Stupid is as stupid does. People will still:
  • Read the newspaper
  • Eat soup
  • Shave
  • Put on makeup
  • Turn around to discipline their kids
  • Etc

If there was a way to eliminate those activities, I'd be for banning them too. Just because it's possible to do dumb things in your car is no reason to give up and let people do additional dumb things like use cell phones. Two wrongs and all that stuff. Do you have the same attitude towards drunk driving? I mean people can still fiddle with the radio while driving, put an address into their GPS while driving, reach under their seat for crap while driving, so why bother outlawing drunk driving? There have been numerous studies showing texting while driving to be as dangerous and drinking and driving, so I'm not sure why it should be handled differently.
 
If there was a way to eliminate those activities, I'd be for banning them too. Just because it's possible to do dumb things in your car is no reason to give up and let people do additional dumb things like use cell phones. Two wrongs and all that stuff. Do you have the same attitude towards drunk driving? I mean people can still fiddle with the radio while driving, put an address into their GPS while driving, reach under their seat for crap while driving, so why bother outlawing drunk driving? There have been numerous studies showing texting while driving to be as dangerous and drinking and driving, so I'm not sure why it should be handled differently.
Slippery slope argument. Drunk driving is against the law. I’m not for tech that would ban lawful activities in the car.

Most states have a distracted law on the books and many states ban the use of hand-held devices.

There is no tech that will stop a car if people:
  1. Read the newspaper
  2. Eat a knish(kosher of course)
  3. Shave
  4. Put on makeup
  5. Etc
 
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Man this whole situation is messed up.

Father looses his child ... that's horrible beyond words so I completely understand his grief (children are supposed to outlive our parents).

Driver was a dumbass for FaceTime call (making or even accepting the call). What we don't know is how LONG was the FaceTime call before the accident? As in how long was the actual FaceTime call for?
Was is Audio FaceTime call only?
Was it Video FaceTime call?

Do we know if the driver accepted the call and specifically say "Goodbye" Ï'm driving" "i have to go driving" "call me back I'm driving"etc?
^ in this situation if the phone is on a center console mount, say even 1 minute from accepting the call until the accident is there possibility for safety the driver did not lift 2 hands from the wheel to end the call? Was the car fully retrofit with steering wheel controls to end the facetime call? What would be teh generally accepted social acceptance if he answered not knowing it was a FaceTime call mentioned he was driving to hang up and the other person did not respect that - call remains connected ... person on other end being an ass not ending the call and further distraction.

It's an accident. Sure preventable: but is it the driver or Apple? Do Not Disturb I've noticed for 2months doesn't fully work now; does not auto detect I'm in a vehicle moving. IF this is the case then teh fathers case DOES have merit. Apple should also block FaceTime Calls (audio/video) when driving but if failing; and the driver did NOT make the FT call then .... yeah Apple.

Does the driver really get 20yrs for a stupid mistake that he did NOT intentionally nor in sound mind knowing would comit?! Probably did not even know a baby was in the car ahead and that sucks a child died. But 20yrs?!
 
Slippery slope argument. Drunk driving is against the law. I’m not for tech that would ban lawful activities in the car.

Once upon a time, no one cared if you drove drunk or not. Then we realized that by outlawing that behavior, we could cut down on lots of deaths.

While cell phones being used in cars today might be legal in some places, I would argue that perhaps it's time to ask, should they be legal while driving? Given the fact that lots of research is suggesting that cell phone usage while driving is roughly equivalent to drinking and driving, I personally think it's time to have that conversation. Just like they did many years ago when people asked "should people be allowed to drive drunk?" That might have been considered a slippery slope back then too. But with hindsight being 20/20, I'm guessing most people would say they made the right choice.

Most states have a distracted law on the books and many states ban the use of hand-held devices.

Lots of research is showing that hands-free doesn't make you any safer than hand-held. So while it's a nice step for states to take, it feels like a pointless exercise. My own state (Oregon) has such a law, though general observation tells me it's made almost no difference at all. Those laws aren't giving me any additional protection if that research is to be believed.

There is no tech that will stop a car if people:

That's a good list. I'm sure we could add things till it's big enough to be a book. And you're right, tech can't stop someone from plugging in a hot plate and frying an egg on their way to work. People are idiots and on some days it almost feels like a competition to out-stupid their peers. But why should that prevent us from using tech where we can to eliminate whatever risk we can? Driving is an inherently unsafe activity to begin with. But that shouldn't stop us from trying to make it better.
 
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Once upon a time, no one cared if you drove drunk or not. Then we realized that by outlawing that behavior, we could cut down on lots of deaths.

While cell phones being used in cars today might be legal in some places, I would argue that perhaps it's time to ask, should they be legal while driving? Given the fact that lots of research is suggesting that cell phone usage while driving is roughly equivalent to drinking and driving, I personally think it's time to have that conversation. Just like they did many years ago when people asked "should people be allowed to drive drunk?" That might have been considered a slippery slope back then too. But with hindsight being 20/20, I'm guessing most people would say they made the right choice.



Lots of research is showing that hands-free doesn't make you any safer than hand-held. So while it's a nice step for states to take, it feels like a pointless exercise. My own state (Oregon) has such a law, though general observation tells me it's made almost no difference at all. Those laws aren't giving me any additional protection if that research is to be believed.



That's a good list. I'm sure we could add things till it's big enough to be a book. And you're right, tech can't stop someone from plugging in a hot plate and frying an egg on their way to work. People are idiots and on some days it almost feels like a competition to out-stupid their peers. But why should that prevent us from using tech where we can to eliminate whatever risk we can? Driving is an inherently unsafe activity to begin with. But that shouldn't stop us from trying to make it better.
I'm not for introducing tech that would ban lawful activities, it's called a nanny. So if a passenger wanted to use a cell phone, the passenger would be able to use a cell phone.

Want to ban hands free, then make it illegal.

In the meantime education is the best way to get to drivers.
 
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I'm not for introducing tech that would ban lawful activities, it's called a nanny. So if a passenger wanted to use a cell phone, the passenger would be able to use a cell phone.

If it's technically feasible to disable just the driver's phone, I'd support that 100%. Otherwise, too bad. If the kid can't play Pokemon Go, he can't play it. If mom can't chat with her friend, too bad. Better to have bored passengers than dead passengers. I never played on a cell phone in the car as a child and I've come out reasonably well-adjusted. We need to stop thinking of it as a "right". It's a luxury and nothing more. And when your luxury endangers my life, we have a problem.

Want to ban hands free, then make it illegal.

That's kind of been my point. I think it's time to make it illegal. I just take it one step further in saying I'm fine with tech that would remove the choice from the driver. It's illegal in my state and that law has made virtually no difference. Since people can't seem to follow the rules, I'm all for removing the choice and forcing it on them. That sucks for passengers. But I'd rather get where I'm going then worry about bored passengers.

Going back to the drunk driving thing, the precedent has already been set. I can't drink a beer in the car even if I'm just a passenger. I'd have no problems with cell phones falling into the same category.

It feels like while we don't 100% agree with each other, we're not too far apart in our thinking. It also feels like neither of us is going to drag the other over that line in the sand. Thanks for the engaging conversation. And thanks for keeping it a discussion and not turning it into a battle!
 
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I can’t agree with completely disabling phones. Stupid is as stupid does. People will still:
  • Read the newspaper
  • Eat soup
  • Shave
  • Put on makeup
  • Turn around to discipline their kids
  • Etc

The "distracted driving" laws in most locations cover activities like these... and while "distracted driving" is against law, unfortunately, stupidity is not.
 
yes the driver is responsible as is any user of a product
im still waiting on you to back your claim up but as i suspected you cant because you have nothing to back your claim up

having and knowing that i have great situational awareness is not willful ignorance
if you knew what 1 of my jobs is youd know ive done tasks that are more involved than talking on the phone while driving and came out successful

no the problem is people who are looking at their screen while driving

source on your claim that hands-free voice calling is dangerous
i brought up facetime as i was accused of facetiming and not just having it over Bluetooth like a phone call
so yes i brought it up to clarify that i am not actively looking at my phone while driving and i just have the audio on the Bluetooth in my truck
besides my truck has enough safety features that it would have avoided a collision if i got distracted
actually the safety features are a little too good since it tries to stop me when i park my car in front of my house
again a source on audio only calls being dangerous

i didnt see the links which is why i have kept asking for the sources
ive ignored nothing here quite the opposite
what i have said has been ignored and/or twisted to fit other posters agenda
i never said i was special that is your words

ive always said blame the user for the product and not the manufacture
a company cant be blamed for how their users use their products

yeah its because they see what a mess we humans are

if thats the 1 i think it is the case got thrown out
as it should
there was a federal law in place which prevented the manufactures from being sued
since a lawyer actually filed the suit they either didnt know or it was a publicity stunt
my opinion is that the law should be expanded to include all manufactures not just firearms manufactures


youd be surprised or maybe not
among other jobs i am an adjunct professor and i see students blaming software for their grammar errors and feel they shouldnt be held accountable

if one is looking at the screen while driving i agree


I agree with you completely. No matter what the product, people will use them either on purpose or by accident to hurt or kill people and manufactures can’t control that.
 
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I agree with you completely. No matter what the product, people will use them either on purpose or by accident to hurt or kill people and manufactures can’t control that.
There is enough of a body of research out there, some of which has been cited, which shows hands free vs holding the phone vs talking to a passenger.

Yes, stupid is as stupid does and I've already listed some activities that over the years, I've seen drivers doing behind the wheel.

Cell phone usage in it's various types of incarnations, calls, texts, video, etc due to it's prevalent usage and apparently non-restraint by drivers is very dangerous. Even though with hands-free when the eyes are looking at the road, the brain is engaged in the conversation and humans do not multi-task well.

So while saying stupid is as stupid does is absolutely true, I personally support very strict penalties for drivers breaking the law with regards to cell phone usage due to the sheer numbers of drivers estimated to use them in a manner inconsistent with safe driving.
 
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...humans do not multi-task well.

I agree. Lots of humans think they're great multi-taskers. And in some sense, some people are good at juggling two or more activities. But it's not true multi-tasking. It's time-slicing (do this task, then that task, this task, that task, etc). We're just not built to focus on two things at the same time. I even went through an exercise a few years back where the teacher proved to us that humans can't truly multi-task. Like a computer, humans also have to context switch. Which is why if you have people bothering you all day, it's hard to accomplish a task that takes a lot of concentration. It's not just the time lost from the other person talking to you. You also lose a lot of time context switching (aka switching gears).

Driving is an activity that requires a great deal of attention if you want to do it well. It might not take much time to read a single sentence in a text message, or listen to a question on your phone. But while you're reading or listening to the question, you are absolutely not focused on driving. The human brain simply can't do both things at the same time. And even when you finish, your brain still needs time to switch from that activity back to the previous activity (driving).

For the skeptics:

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95256794

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_multitasking

https://www.scienceabc.com/humans/can-humans-actually-multitask.html
 
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...Driving is an activity that requires a great deal of attention if you want to do it well. It might not take much time to read a single sentence in a text message, or listen to a question on your phone....
The situation on the road can go south in a second or less. That second can make the difference between life and death; to your point.
 
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The new Mazda 3 car coming out had a touch screen but it turns that feature off when the car is in motion, I think that’s a good idea others should follow.
that is terrible since it prohibits a passenger from making an input
Audi and Range Rover need to use these ideas as the new A8 and Velour or however you pronounce it, have big touchscreens to control everything, and journalists who have reviewed them said they are distracting to use, I believe they have voice controls so perhaps disabling the touch screens and using those voice controls when driving is better?
absolutely not
it is not the manufactures job to keep people from engaging in activities
that is the job of the state legislature to enact laws
Physical buttons are still beat in a car, it they don’t want to use them anymore? Even the steering wheel controls are now touch driven! Just stick a physical button there! So you know you’ve pressed it.
i agree physical buttons are easy
The way it looks, we are going to need two people to drive a car; a driver and a co-driver, just like in rallies. One to drive, the other to adjust the air-con, play with the radio, answer the phone, navigate and warn the driver for blind spots.
are we driving a car or flying a 787
I 100% agree with something to completely disable phones in vehicles.
i take it you never traveled with kids who entertained themselves for hours with netflix
And if innocent passengers are caught up in that, so be it.
this shouldnt be allowed
I shouldn't have to die because someone else thought it more important to talk to their children while out picking up some milk.
whos to say the person is going to pick up some milk as you claimed
whos to say the incoming call isnt an emergency
whos to say the incoming call isnt the last time the 2 people will ever talk
We shouldn't have young children getting killed because some ******* thought he was special and could take that facetime call or answer a text or whatever.
the easiest fix is to raise the driving age to 18 so theres no children young or not driving cars
I don't feel human lives are an acceptable price for the luxury of using a cell phone.
theres plenty of legitimate reasons to be on the phone while driving
And I don't accept "but I need my phone for work". ********. We all managed to get along just fine before cell phones came along, we can do just fine now.
welcome to conducting business in the 21st century
if someone misses a call for work the end user might go to a competing business
this will lead to a loss of income all because you feel people shouldnt drive while talking on the phone hands free or not
Using a phone while driving your vehicle is like playing Russian Roulette where you point the gun at someone else's head and pull the trigger. I shouldn't have to play someone else's stupid game.
than dont drive or use the roads
And since people won't stop, it should absolutely be 100% disabled while the vehicle is moving.
again you clearly never traveled with young kids in the car
I live in a state where it's illegal to use your phone while driving and it hasn't made a lick of difference from my observations. So yeah, completely disable those suckers.
are you calling the appropriate law enforcement agencies and reporting these drivers
while were at it lets prohibit first responders from using their radios while driving in the interest of a true hands free environment
There's not a phone call or text in the world that is more important than innocent person's life.
youre right there could be a phone call or text where more than 1 person's life is at risk such as a surgeon taking a call while on the road
i volunteer with a sar agency when i have the free time and theres been instances where a group of hikers have gotten lost and were reported as missing
that is just 1 example of a phone call or text that is more important than 1 person's life
I can’t agree with completely disabling phones. Stupid is as stupid does. People will still:
  • Read the newspaper
  • Eat soup
  • Shave
  • Put on makeup
  • Turn around to discipline their kids
  • Etc
i agree and if the phone being disabled is dependent upon the phone being paired to the car with Bluetooth the simple workaround is to simply not pair the phone to the car
Man this whole situation is messed up.

Father looses his child ... that's horrible beyond words so I completely understand his grief (children are supposed to outlive our parents).
that the father sued apple and not the driver shows the father was after money which is the point i lost respect for the father
Driver was a dumbass for FaceTime call (making or even accepting the call). What we don't know is how LONG was the FaceTime call before the accident? As in how long was the actual FaceTime call for?
Was is Audio FaceTime call only?
Was it Video FaceTime call?
has anyone said how it was discovered that the driver was on a facetime call
i agree that an audio or video facetime call should be viewed different as should a video facetime call where the driver never look at the screen
Do we know if the driver accepted the call and specifically say "Goodbye" Ï'm driving" "i have to go driving" "call me back I'm driving"etc?
^ in this situation if the phone is on a center console mount, say even 1 minute from accepting the call until the accident is there possibility for safety the driver did not lift 2 hands from the wheel to end the call? Was the car fully retrofit with steering wheel controls to end the facetime call? What would be teh generally accepted social acceptance if he answered not knowing it was a FaceTime call mentioned he was driving to hang up and the other person did not respect that - call remains connected ... person on other end being an ass not ending the call and further distraction.

It's an accident. Sure preventable: but is it the driver or Apple? Do Not Disturb I've noticed for 2months doesn't fully work now; does not auto detect I'm in a vehicle moving. IF this is the case then teh fathers case DOES have merit. Apple should also block FaceTime Calls (audio/video) when driving but if failing; and the driver did NOT make the FT call then .... yeah Apple.
this is important as it can change the verdict or sentence in court
Does the driver really get 20yrs for a stupid mistake that he did NOT intentionally nor in sound mind knowing would comit?! Probably did not even know a baby was in the car ahead and that sucks a child died. But 20yrs?!
i would be surprised if he gets the 20 years
Lots of research is showing that hands-free doesn't make you any safer than hand-held. So while it's a nice step for states to take, it feels like a pointless exercise.
if you have a link to a peer reviewed article by experts in the field than post it
My own state (Oregon) has such a law, though general observation tells me it's made almost no difference at all. Those laws aren't giving me any additional protection if that research is to be believed.
are you reporting drivers who use their phones while driving
I'm not for introducing tech that would ban lawful activities, it's called a nanny. So if a passenger wanted to use a cell phone, the passenger would be able to use a cell phone.

Want to ban hands free, then make it illegal.

In the meantime education is the best way to get to drivers.
i agree this is something that shouldnt come from the auto or phone manufactures but from the state legislature
If it's technically feasible to disable just the driver's phone, I'd support that 100%
the more i think about it the more i think there could be liability issues if a driver cant call and report an emergency
Otherwise, too bad. If the kid can't play Pokemon Go, he can't play it. If mom can't chat with her friend, too bad. Better to have bored passengers than dead passengers.
lets outlaw music talking and eating while driving while were at it
I never played on a cell phone in the car as a child and I've come out reasonably well-adjusted.
neither have i but welcome to the 21st century
We need to stop thinking of it as a "right". It's a luxury and nothing more. And when your luxury endangers my life, we have a problem.
driving is a privilege not a right
That's kind of been my point. I think it's time to make it illegal.
you cant regulate everything
I just take it one step further in saying I'm fine with tech that would remove the choice from the driver.
that is better than removing it from everyone but if enabling it requires the phone to be paired to the car its easy just to not pair the phone and car in the first place
The "distracted driving" laws in most locations cover activities like these... and while "distracted driving" is against law, unfortunately, stupidity is not.
this is true and if drivers are breaking the law they should be penalized for it
I agree with you completely. No matter what the product, people will use them either on purpose or by accident to hurt or kill people and manufactures can’t control that.
i agree which is why the manufactures of any products should not be held liable for how the end user uses the products
this goes for all manufactures
humans do not multi-task well.
can you post a link to a peer reviewed article from experts in the field to back up this claim
I agree. Lots of humans think they're great multi-taskers. And in some sense, some people are good at juggling two or more activities. But it's not true multi-tasking.
i know for a fact that i am a great multi-tasker because ive been doing it my whole adult life due to my job
the ability to multi-task is a requirement for 1 of my jobs if not 2
It's time-slicing (do this task, then that task, this task, that task, etc). We're just not built to focus on two things at the same time. I even went through an exercise a few years back where the teacher proved to us that humans can't truly multi-task. Like a computer, humans also have to context switch. Which is why if you have people bothering you all day, it's hard to accomplish a task that takes a lot of concentration. It's not just the time lost from the other person talking to you. You also lose a lot of time context switching (aka switching gears).
i dont time-slice in my job i actually multi-task
Driving is an activity that requires a great deal of attention if you want to do it well. It might not take much time to read a single sentence in a text message, or listen to a question on your phone. But while you're reading or listening to the question, you are absolutely not focused on driving. The human brain simply can't do both things at the same time. And even when you finish, your brain still needs time to switch from that activity back to the previous activity (driving).
than ban listening to music and eating from driving as well
thats not a peer reviewed article from experts in the field so i will hold my comments until you publish such a link and preferably more than 1
 
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thats not a peer reviewed article from experts in the field so i will hold my comments until you publish such a link and preferably more than 1

Hope you're not waiting on me to post something. I'm done with you. We're too radically opposed to have a reasonable conversation. Going any further with you is just a waste of my time.
 
Hope you're not waiting on me to post something. I'm done with you. We're too radically opposed to have a reasonable conversation. Going any further with you is just a waste of my time.
i didnt see any posts from you which are peer reviewed articles from experts in the field
what you have posted instead are wikipedia articles and opinion pieces neither of which carry any weight in a discussion
i agree it is a waste of my time to continue discussing this with you as you make claims but refuse to back them up with peer reviewed articles written by experts in the field
i will continue to answer hands free calls while driving like i have since i got my first Bluetooth many years ago since you are unable to back your claim up
 
i didnt see any posts from you which are peer reviewed articles from experts in the field
what you have posted instead are wikipedia articles and opinion pieces neither of which carry any weight in a discussion
i agree it is a waste of my time to continue discussing this with you as you make claims but refuse to back them up with peer reviewed articles written by experts in the field
i will continue to answer hands free calls while driving like i have since i got my first Bluetooth many years ago since you are unable to back your claim up
https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/204502

Whether or not you think these opinions are valid is immaterial. There are a number of studies about distracted driving while using cell phones that the studies have some merit.

It is legal to use hands free cell phones in vehicles in most jurisdictions, that is not the discussion point...the discussion point revolves around situational awareness and the differences between talking to a passenger and talking to a remote "partner".
 
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What about smoking while driving? I’m not familiar with the laws in many places but surely it is far more distracting than talking with hands free. Same can be said for eating. Yet we see plenty of both.
 
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There is enough of a body of research out there, some of which has been cited, which shows hands free vs holding the phone vs talking to a passenger.

Yes, stupid is as stupid does and I've already listed some activities that over the years, I've seen drivers doing behind the wheel.

Cell phone usage in it's various types of incarnations, calls, texts, video, etc due to it's prevalent usage and apparently non-restraint by drivers is very dangerous. Even though with hands-free when the eyes are looking at the road, the brain is engaged in the conversation and humans do not multi-task well.

So while saying stupid is as stupid does is absolutely true, I personally support very strict penalties for drivers breaking the law with regards to cell phone usage due to the sheer numbers of drivers estimated to use them in a manner inconsistent with safe driving.

I couldn’t agree with you more I7guy. I get so angry when I see people texting while I’m driving. And yes I’ve seen people FaceTiming as weel. SMH
 
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If someone can’t use hands free while driving then they shouldn’t have a drivers license. The same thing if someone can’t Handel a passenger in a car while driving and keep from being distracted, they shouldn’t have a drivers license.

I refuse to to believe we have to make everything inoperable because not everyone is irresponsible and texts with their hands while driving or can’t keep from getting distracted with a passenger in the car or in their hands free phone, etc.

Self driving cars can’t get here fast enough.
 
I’m not surprised Apple were absolved of any blame. In many western countries with any sense it’s illegal to be using your phone while driving. The idiot that caused the crash should be footing the bill for destroying others lives, not a company offering a service not specifically designed for the stupid.
 
https://news.illinois.edu/view/6367/204502
finally a link that i have asked for since the beginning
Whether or not you think these opinions are valid is immaterial. There are a number of studies about distracted driving while using cell phones that the studies have some merit.
does the study include the education and abilities of the drivers in the study
what about participants ability to multitask prior to getting in the simulators
all of this is relevant and can alter a so-called study to fit a narrative the so-called researcher has
It is legal to use hands free cell phones in vehicles in most jurisdictions, that is not the discussion point...the discussion point revolves around situational awareness and the differences between talking to a passenger and talking to a remote "partner".
as i said before people who don't have enough situational awareness to talk on the phone and drive shouldnt drive period
What about smoking while driving? I’m not familiar with the laws in many places but surely it is far more distracting than talking with hands free. Same can be said for eating. Yet we see plenty of both.
i agree how about we ban talking while driving while were at it
I couldn’t agree with you more I7guy. I get so angry when I see people texting while I’m driving. And yes I’ve seen people FaceTiming as weel. SMH
i agree people who interact with their phone using their hands while driving make me angry
facetiming at the wheel really
If someone can’t use hands free while driving then they shouldn’t have a drivers license. The same thing if someone can’t Handel a passenger in a car while driving and keep from being distracted, they shouldn’t have a drivers license.
i agree people who don't have enough situational awareness to talk on the phone and drive shouldnt drive period
I refuse to to believe we have to make everything inoperable because not everyone is irresponsible and texts with their hands while driving or can’t keep from getting distracted with a passenger in the car or in their hands free phone, etc.
i also agree
we cant regulate everything and people need to be accountable for all their actions
Self driving cars can’t get here fast enough.
i have mixed feelings about self driving cars since i love driving and i just got my wife & i new vehicles
The idiot that caused the crash should be footing the bill for destroying others lives, not a company offering a service not specifically designed for the stupid.
thats how i feel about all manufactures for all products
the end user and not the manufacture or distributor should be liable for the use of the product
the next time my wife or daughters get a speeding ticket i will sue ford since they were driving a ford vehicle
 
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does the study include the education and abilities of the drivers in the study
what about participants ability to multitask prior to getting in the simulators
all of this is relevant and can alter a so-called study to fit a narrative the so-called researcher has
Yes. What these studies showed is that people who thought they were good at multi-tasking crashed the car when cell phone usage in its various forms was given priority.

Thanks for highlighting that point.
 
Yes. What these studies showed is that people who thought they were good at multi-tasking crashed the car when cell phone usage in its various forms was given priority.

Thanks for highlighting that point.
source for your claim that "that people who thought they were good at multi-tasking crashed the car"
i see no mention of multitasking in the article and it is possible the test subjects lacked the ability to multitask let alone multitask while driving
im sure i could get several current and former coworkers and have a completely different result since we all have the ability to multitask
it still doesnt list any information about the drivers such as education experience or other skills that could factor into the decision
as i said this is relevant otherwise it looks as if a researcher has conducted a flawed and biased study to fit a narrative
among other jobs i am an adjunct professor so i see how studies are done to fit a narrative the researcher had prior to starting the so-called study
 
source for your claim that "that people who thought they were good at multi-tasking crashed the car"
i see no mention of multitasking in the article and it is possible the test subjects lacked the ability to multitask let alone multitask while driving
im sure i could get several current and former coworkers and have a completely different result since we all have the ability to multitask
it still doesnt list any information about the drivers such as education experience or other skills that could factor into the decision
as i said this is relevant otherwise it looks as if a researcher has conducted a flawed and biased study to fit a narrative
among other jobs i am an adjunct professor so i see how studies are done to fit a narrative the researcher had prior to starting the so-called study
I’m not going to cite all of the studies that have evaluated cell phone usage over the years vis-a-vis driving distractions. The NHTSA and Other websites have a preponderance of information. If you believe your thinking processes are above the evidence, so be it.

The drivers of America can only hope you are obeying the laws of the road.
 
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