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As I said, I gave you the benefit of the doubt that here in the US, stores took a commission for selling software on physical media
šŸ‘‰ Please provide a source.

Note that distributor or retailer margins are not the same as commissions.

However, they are within their rights to stifle everything as they own the app store
That is your opinion, on which we disagreem given that it was/is the only such store on iOS and one of only two that third-party developers must distribute through (not legally but as economic reality).

Let's start with the fact there are multiple app stores besides google and ios.
…and continue by not ignoring the fact that their market share is negligible.

You really want me to provide a citation how similar their commission scheme are, right down to a ā€œsmall businessā€ rebate?
 
šŸ‘‰ Please provide a source.

Note that distributor or retailer margins are not the same as commissions.
https://www.serkantoto.com/2020/12/30/price-video-console-game-digital-physical/ You can play semantics 30% is 30%
That is your opinion, on which we disagreem given that it was/is the only such store on iOS and one of only two that third-party developers must distribute through (not legally but as economic reality).
Yes, that is your opinion to which we disagree.
…and continue by not ignoring the fact that their market share is negligible.
And by ignoring the actual percentage of iphone vs the rest.
You really want me to provide a citation how similar their commission scheme are, right down to a ā€œsmall businessā€ rebate?
So now citation since I provided one for the above.
 
I know it wasn’t addressed to you, but I’m interested in how you would answer @tmaciak

Would you spend the money to develop the better protocol in this situation?
Possibly.
I may not want to develop it alone.

And that's a good thing for consumers. We really don't need more vendor lock-in from with proprietary music streaming protocols from large gatekeepers.
that it will be copied and implemented in cheap speakers mass produced in China
I fail to see how that's a bad thing. Consumers benefit from interoperability in audio streaming protocols. What they don't benefit from: Speakers that only work with company S' music streaming service or company A's smartphone operating system. That'd just be gatekeepers leveraging their dominant market position in these markets and expanding it to the speaker market.

What consumers benefit from:
An audio company or speaker company developing a streaming protocol that's compatible with consumers' choice of favourite smartphone OS and music streaming service. And they're free to charge royalty on the protocol.

Also, the DMA enables them to use the same hardware or software features to control mobile applications that use their streaming protocol.
they will need to share this new protocol with everybody
No - they'll need to provide interoperability.
That doesn't mean they'll need to open up the protocol on the sending side.
It can be restricted to particular apps or phones.
And speakers aren't regulated according to the DMA.

Do you think Draghi is mistaken when he says the EU’s practice of dictating business terms to companies is harming the EU’s competitiveness in the tech space?
Counterquestion: šŸ‘‰ Did you actually read the Draghi report on "The future of European competitiveness", beyond the sparse tidbits/quotes shared in this thread?

Are you at all concerned that it seems every time the EU enacts a major tech regulation it either doesn’t solve the problem or actually makes things worse for users? Why are you so sure that won’t happen with the DMA?
No, not really. It's not true "every time". In fact, regulation has already shown that it's beginning to work to the benefit of consumers. We already got emulation and Fortnite - which is a good thing for consumers. So would music streaming services being able to market and conduct transactions through their apps - without having to fork over 30% to their biggest competitor.
 
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You know, I have been called many names over the last decade and a half for presumably spending more money on hardware that purportedly did less. Sheep, cultist, fanboy, I have come to view them as badges of honour to be worn with pride, because at the end of the day, Apple was right when it mattered, and we ended up on the right side of history.

The crux here is that such moves were not made in a vacuum, but usually accompanied by a superior solution in tow. Apple blocked flash from their iOS devices, but followed up with the App Store which offered a better alternative in the form of native apps optimised for battery efficiency and native touch controls. The floppy disk made way for the usb port. The MBA offered users a thinner and lighter form factor in exchange for a bunch of ports they were all too willing to give up for the promise of portability. Instead of removable batteries, Apple gave us beautifully engineered devices with room for larger batteries. The removal of the headphone jack was followed up with the AirPods.

That's why brands like LG and Blackberry are no longer around, while Apple is. Apple understood what the rest of the competition did not - they are not selling me a product, but a solution. It is no different today. The lesson which Apple keeps teaching, and which its detractors keep ignoring, is that no amount of regulation can rescue market failures or save companies like Spotify when the problem is (more likely than not) found internally with a bad vision, inadequate corporate culture, and lack of understanding as to what makes Apple unique.

For years, Apple was constantly framed as being one iPhone update away from implosion. Low market and sales share were paraded around as signs of an incompetent product strategy. Simply put, Apple was framed as being weak and vulnerable, dependent on a single source of revenue that could disappear overnight due to consumers fleeing to cheaper and more "open" Android-based alternatives. Even when Apple Music was first released, the forum was filled with comments about how it would never take off, and how Spotify was still the superior alternative. Even Spotify themselves loudly and confidently boasted about how they didn't see Apple Music as a threat.

Today, now that said narrative has all but lost steam, the narrative has now shifted to Apple's ironclad grip over their App Store, and the notion that Apple users are stuck behind a massive walled garden where features like iMessage, Apple Watches, and Apple Pay force people to remain within Apple’s walls. Government regulators are viewed as the only entity capable of protecting Apple users from Apple's tyranny (something we never asked for in the first place).

For what it's worth, I don't think said legislation will have a major impact on Apple's long-term viability (though they do make for juicy headlines capable of garnering hundreds of responses). The only thing that users have to lose is the unique user experience that they paid a premium to access in the first place (through no fault of Apple's).

Why then do I continue to debate over this even though I have absolutely zero stakes? Why do people comment on events that happen halfway across the world that don't impact them at all? For the simple reason that I care more about making statements which I feel are right than I do about making statements that are rooted in ideology. I maintain that this is a violation of Apple's property rights, I feel the EU still isn't being 100% transparent or truthful about their intentions (eg: the DMA suggests that Apple maintains the right to monetise their IP, yet seem bent on rejecting every attempt by Apple in doing so, thus the unspoken implication is that they expect Apple to just do everything for free), and so I welcome Apple continuing to push back against the DMA until we get more clarity from the EU on what is truly being asked of Apple here.

If the EU wants Apple to do (or not do) something, then they should just say the ugly part out loud and get it over and done with.
No. No no no.

You just wrote Apple's entire recent history as if you own the company. It's fine to like their products - they are indeed providing solutions - but the idea that Apple has been successful all the time is not true. The Vision Pro is a good example in this.

All companies have a vision, which is to make money. If they're profitable, that's all they need. This is not a "bad vision".

Apple's corporate culture is literally rotten, especially since the pandemic, just like most big tech companies. Recently they resort to CGI over connecting with an audience when they present a product.

The idea that Apple would die with a wrong iphone update was also really overblown. I too held this opinion at one point but Apple has multiple divisions, ultimately.

I also don't like the user experience term. This is a subjective term that people try to paint as objective. For example, as an Android user Pixels are constantly promoted as being good for their "software experience", yet I feel much more comfortable with my ColorOS-powered Realme GT6. Probably same goes with Apple products, it's definitely a deal for some people, but I disagree that it's the same for everybody.
 
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Apple is complying. The DMA is trying to strip them of their income. In addition, Apple is attempting to keep the ecosystem safe from unwanted apps that maybe phishing, scamware, or other objectionable type of apps. They need to bring out these dirty tricks to be in compliance and not provide their services for free. If the DMA wasn't so poorly and hastily written, this might have been much, much easier and better for everyone. But in the end the EU is going to get what it was after. No innovation.
I don't know, I just get a hearty chuckle whenever I hear the word "innovation"
 
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Apple is complying. The DMA is trying to strip them of their income. In addition, Apple is attempting to keep the ecosystem safe from unwanted apps that maybe phishing, scamware, or other objectionable type of apps. They need to bring out these dirty tricks to be in compliance and not provide their services for free. If the DMA wasn't so poorly and hastily written, this might have been much, much easier and better for everyone. But in the end the EU is going to get what it was after. No innovation.

We've got the EU to thank for Apple not shipping phones with i/o with 2012 spec so it's not all doom and gloom old chap. At least that has been dragged into the 21st century. :)
 
We've got the EU to thank for Apple not shipping phones with i/o with 2012 spec so it's not all doom and gloom old chap. At least that has been dragged into the 21st century. :)
Again, Apple was already heading to USB-C, and now we’ll never have a better connector because the E.U. idiotically mandated it.

Side note - the only reason my Mother in Law isn’t upgrading her phone this year is she doesn’t want new cables, so maybe the EU’s regulations are having their intended effect after all - less revenue for Apple!
 
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No. No no no.

You just wrote Apple's entire recent history as if you own the company. It's fine to like their products - they are indeed providing solutions - but the idea that Apple has been successful all the time is not true. The Vision Pro is a good example in this.

All companies have a vision, which is to make money. If they're profitable, that's all they need. This is not a "bad vision".

Apple's corporate culture is literally rotten, especially since the pandemic, just like most big tech companies. Recently they resort to CGI over connecting with an audience when they present a product.

The idea that Apple would die with a wrong iphone update was also really overblown. I too held this opinion at one point but Apple has multiple divisions, ultimately.

I also don't like the user experience term. This is a subjective term that people try to paint as objective. For example, as an Android user Pixels are constantly promoted as being good for their "software experience", yet I feel much more comfortable with my ColorOS-powered Realme GT6. Probably same goes with Apple products, it's definitely a deal for some people, but I disagree that it's the same for everybody.
so really you are just hear to bag Apple and iOS and promote your ColorOS Android phone?

nah, thanks, pass...

use what you want. but perhaps this isnt the forum for you.
 
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The same as Costco controlling it's stores, Apple controls its' store. Legally they are permitted to run the app store the way it is being run. Legally they are permitted to have a tightly vertically integrated system, even if the antitrust supporters don't like it.

It’s not the same.

First and most importantly, Costco doesn't have the kind of market share or control of its market that Apple has of the mobile OS market where there are only two major mobile app stores.

Second, Costco doesn't prevent its customers from being able to buy products at other stores. Apple has been preventing its customers from buying iOS apps from other stores. A Costco customer can buy an iPad from Costco, Best Buy, Target, Apple, etc. An Apple customer could only get its iOS apps from one store, Apple's App Store.


When the old ruling from 2012 gets trotted out, it's a non-sequitor today as you make it seem like if "they did it before they'll do it again". Ridiculous and disingenuous stance. Just like the epic vs apple ruling the one one they lost on. And of course we each can our own opinions on what a market is. After all isn't this what the hundreds of posts are that go around in circles? Debating opinions. And we'll see if the DOJ has enough to get apple convicted. Around here innuendo and unsettled lawsuits lead to guilty until proven innocent rhetoric.

You're the one that seems obsessed with "colluding" and then, of course, downplay any past history of Apple colluding or other illegal behavior. Considering that the EU DMA doesn't appear to be accusing Apple of colluding, I'm not sure why you are weirdly bringing that specifically up so much.
 
Then what is this massive push for alternative app stores? If nobody will use it, there is no need for them.

It's certainly not "nobody" as there are already at least five alternative iOS app stores being used in the EU. Of course, the fact that Apple's App Store had been the only option for so long and will still be the pre-installed default will make it difficult for others to gain much traction. None of this means alternative iOS app stores shouldn't be allowed to exist or that they can't improve the market for consumers and developers in the long run.
 
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It’s not the same.
It is the same.
First and most importantly, Costco doesn't have the kind of market share or control of its market that Apple has of the mobile OS market where there are only two major mobile app stores.
Apple, who has a minority market share in the EU, has a very rabid fanbase with seemingly more disposable income than other platforms, imo, and they buy into Apples' vertically integrated solution. While there are more than two mobile app stores and hundreds of providers, iphones have a 27% share in the marketplace. But it's clear that apple customers spend money on hardware and services.
Second, Costco doesn't prevent its customers from being able to buy products at other stores.
Costco has rules that pertains to their stores the same as apple.
Apple has been preventing its customers from buying iOS apps from other stores.
Completely legal unless you have some case law that shows otherwise.
A Costco customer can buy an iPad from Costco, Best Buy, Target, Apple, etc.
But any vendor can't come in and setup shop in Costco without Costcos' consent.
An Apple customer could only get its iOS apps from one store, Apple's App Store.
Yes and that's completely legal.
You're the one that seems obsessed with "colluding" and then, of course, downplay any past history of Apple colluding or other illegal behavior.
You're the one that seems obsessed with anti-trust and aggrandize any past history of Apple's legal tussles making it more than it is.
Considering that the EU DMA doesn't appear to be accusing Apple of colluding, I'm not sure why you are weirdly bringing that specifically up so much.
Anti-trust is thrown around like free beer at a bash and this is the counter argument.
 
It is the same.

Apple, who has a minority market share in the EU, has a very rabid fanbase with seemingly more disposable income than other platforms, imo, and they buy into Apples' vertically integrated solution. While there are more than two mobile app stores and hundreds of providers, iphones have a 27% share in the marketplace. But it's clear that apple customers spend money on hardware and services.

Costco has rules that pertains to their stores the same as apple.

Completely legal unless you have some case law that shows otherwise.

But any vendor can't come in and setup shop in Costco without Costcos' consent.

Yes and that's completely legal.

You're the one that seems obsessed with anti-trust and aggrandize any past history of Apple's legal tussles making it more than it is.

Anti-trust is thrown around like free beer at a bash and this is the counter argument.
CostCo is NOTHING like Apple.

It's just a store. One of many similar stores.

Apple is more like a motor company. Ford, Aldi etc. Each make their products, adhere to local laws and sell through their authorised dealers. You can choose genuine service or after market. Same with Apple. You cannot change the builtin entertainment or smart features. Would you really want to tinker with lane assist?

It's tiring listening to the same old arguments that just dont stand up.

End of the day, the customer buying Apple product knew exactly what they were getting and what they werent.

If you bought an Apple device and thought "I will demand they open this up to let me do what I want" then you bought the wrong device. End of story.

You do not have the right to demand that Apple does anything but fix bugs and address hardware issues in a timely manner.

This is what the few vocal EU defenders cant seem to get their heads around.

If Apple doesnt fix stuff, or offer the features customers want, then the money will go to a competitor.
You dont need legislation to make that happen. It's customer behaviour.

Fining and legislating wont make more competition.
What happens when even more customers start buying Apple products?
Letting emulators into the app store addresses one of the huge wants people had.
Now Apple products may become even more popular for the group.

Totally not what the EU wanted... :)
 
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so really you are just hear to bag Apple and iOS and promote your ColorOS Android phone?

nah, thanks, pass...

use what you want. but perhaps this isnt the forum for you.
No dude. You see, Oppo and these Chinese guys aren't influential in the grand scheme of things anywhere besides China, but Apple is.

I'm not here to "promote" my phone. I don't know where you got that idea.

I just laugh whenever I see bad corporate terms being thrown around as if they represent the average Joe. You know, jargon like "user experience" and "innovation"...
 
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Part of me still wonders to this day whether Apple could have gotten away with a portless iPhone. Would the lack of a usb c port co contravene the DMA if said device did not have a charging port in the first place? šŸ¤”
 
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Possibly.
I may not want to develop it alone.
And that's a good thing for consumers. We really don't need more vendor lock-in from with proprietary music streaming protocols from large gatekeepers.
I fail to see how that's a bad thing. Consumers benefit from interoperability in audio streaming protocols. What they don't benefit from: Speakers that only work with company S' music streaming service or company A's smartphone operating system. That'd just be gatekeepers leveraging their dominant market position in these markets and expanding it to the speaker market.
What consumers benefit from:
An audio company or speaker company developing a streaming protocol that's compatible with consumers' choice of favourite smartphone OS and music streaming service. And they're free to charge royalty on the protocol.
Also, the DMA enables them to use the same hardware or software features to control mobile applications that use their streaming protocol.
No - they'll need to provide interoperability.
That doesn't mean they'll need to open up the protocol on the sending side.
It can be restricted to particular apps or phones.
And speakers aren't regulated according to the DMA.

This is a lot of "ifs" and "maybes" and common assumption, that businesses start to act differently because of DMA but I doubt that it will gonna happen, knowing how it works from business side.

But whatever, I doubt that anything will break your optimistic approach and nothing you wrote changes my pessimistic approach, only time will tell if you were right, or if it was another fail and waste of public money as I expect.
 
Part of me still wonders to this day whether Apple could have gotten away with a portless iPhone. Would the lack of a usb c port co contravene the DMA if said device did not have a charging port in the first place? šŸ¤”

It would definitely contravene common sense.
 
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Pull out of EARTH!

Go Galactic Only Apple!

Too many rules down here with the humans

Maybe setup an Apple Store next door to Elons Mars base?
Oh man, you really don't want to go there. May I remind you -

ā€œFar out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the western spiral arm of the Galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this at a distance of roughly ninety-two million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue green planet whose ape-descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea.ā€​


And bureaucracy? Try telling it to the Vogons!
 
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No dude. You see, Oppo and these Chinese guys aren't influential in the grand scheme of things anywhere besides China, but Apple is.

I'm not here to "promote" my phone. I don't know where you got that idea.

I just laugh whenever I see bad corporate terms being thrown around as if they represent the average Joe. You know, jargon like "user experience" and "innovation"...
righto... like there arent a lot of governments trying to bias the outcome of one November election...

and TikTok is owned by....

and what comms devices got banned?

yeah, no Chinese influence going on at all mate...

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i mean yes, there's no chance that Oppo is going to be mistaken for say an iPhone...
unless you open their webpage and the whole design and font use and page scrolling looks like Apples....

Innovative. User experience.

Hahahaha
 
CostCo is NOTHING like Apple.

It's just a store. One of many similar stores.
Thank you! šŸ™

Apple is more like a motor company. Ford, Aldi etc. Each make their products, adhere to local laws and sell through their authorised dealers. You can choose genuine service or after market. Same with Apple. You cannot change the builtin entertainment or smart features. Would you really want to tinker with lane assist?

End of the day, the customer buying Apple product knew exactly what they were getting and what they werent.
Yes. But there’s a difference: Apple isn’t merely a motor company. Because when you buy a a Ford or Audi car, youā€˜re free to operate that car to anywhere you want - and buying your gas from any gas station you want.

The motor company has no say and money in it.
And you directly pay for that gas to the gas station.
Same for the toll roads you’re using.

Apple however have found technical means to ā€žinsertā€œ themselves in between businesses an consumers: Theyā€˜ve enabled themselves to charge a subset of their business customers (developers) not per car or mile or kilometer driven. Theyā€˜re charging them a percentage of their sales revenue.

As such, Apple become a transport (as a) service provider for that subset of businesses.Businesses that are most depend on road transport vehicles and canā€˜t realistically deliver their goods or services through other means - and require adaptation to be delivered through Apple.

On top of which Apple has begun to start competing with those businesses in markets for their own (non-transport) products and services - and prohibiting them from dealing with customers directly.

Given the duopoly situation the ā€žpayingā€œ subset of third-party businesses are facing, thatā€˜s clearly not desirable from an economic standpoint.

Fining and legislating wont make more competition.
It certainly will.
Once Apple is obliged to provide access and interoperability, we will get more competition for payment instruments in addition to Apple Pay, for example.

Letting emulators into the app store addresses one of the huge wants people had.
Now Apple products may become even more popular for the group.
Exactly - more choice for gamers that want to play retro games. And more competition for companies to recycle their old game IP with half-arsed ports to iOS. If you want to sell your decades old retro game, you better come up with a proper, high-quality port to iOS.

Competition and choice may not have increased in the primary ā€žplatformā€œ market - but it did increase in secondary markets for software and accessories.
 
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Thank you! šŸ™


Yes. But there’s a difference: Apple isn’t merely a motor company. Because when you buy a a Ford or Audi car, youā€˜re free to operate that car to anywhere you want - and buying your gas from any gas station you want.

The motor company has no say and money in it.
And you directly pay for that gas to the gas station.
Same for the toll roads you’re using.

Apple however have found technical means to ā€žinsertā€œ themselves in between businesses an consumers: Theyā€˜ve enabled themselves to charge a subset of their business customers (developers) not per car or mile or kilometer driven. Theyā€˜re charging them a percentage of their sales revenue.

As such, Apple become a transport (as a) service provider for that subset of businesses.Businesses that are most depend on road transport vehicles and canā€˜t realistically deliver their goods or services through other means - and require adaptation to be delivered through Apple.

On top of which Apple has begun to start competing with those businesses in markets for their own (non-transport) products and services - and prohibiting them from dealing with customers directly.

Given the duopoly situation the ā€žpayingā€œ subset of third-party businesses are facing, thatā€˜s clearly not desirable from an economic standpoint.


It certainly will.
Once Apple is obliged to provide access and interoperability, we will get more competition for payment instruments in addition to Apple Pay, for example.


Exactly - more choice for gamers that want to play retro games. And more competition for companies to recycle their old game IP with half-arsed ports to iOS. If you want to sell your decades old retro game, you better come up with a proper, high-quality port to iOS.

Competition and choice may not have increased in the primary ā€žplatformā€œ market - but it did increase in secondary markets for software and accessories.
None of what was written makes the dma any more justifiable, consumer friendly or any more than lousy regulations. You are using the language of the dma to justify why these regulations should exist, when in fact the dma not so sneakily went after apple.
 
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Overreaching regs are bad.

This won’t mean Apple will drop a multibillion USD biz. It’s in everyone’s interest including the EU to find a common ground.

Apple Intelligence will come to the EU eventually. It’s already on the Mac. It probably suits them to slow roll out the features anyway given the data centres they’ll need to operate.
 
It is the same.

Apple, who has a minority market share in the EU, has a very rabid fanbase with seemingly more disposable income than other platforms, imo, and they buy into Apples' vertically integrated solution. While there are more than two mobile app stores and hundreds of providers, iphones have a 27% share in the marketplace. But it's clear that apple customers spend money on hardware and services.

Costco has rules that pertains to their stores the same as apple.

It's not the same.

Your comparison was to a store (Costco) and Apple has the largest app store by revenue in the EU, and one of only two major app stores in the EU. Apple has much greater power and control of the app store market in the EU than Costco has of the retail store market.

Apple's iOS is one of only two major mobile operating systems in the EU. Apple has much greater power and control in the mobile OS market than Costco has of the retail store market.


Completely legal unless you have some case law that shows otherwise.

A major or duopoly company restricting competition can violate antitrust/competition laws. To comply with such laws, Apple is now allowing alternative app stores, browser engines, etc. If they didn't comply, they would be in violation EU laws.


But any vendor can't come in and setup shop in Costco without Costcos' consent.

Once again, your comparison was to a store. What vendor is being allowed to "setup shop" in Apple's App Store without Apple's consent?


You're the one that seems obsessed with anti-trust and aggrandize any past history of Apple's legal tussles making it more than it is.

Anti-trust is thrown around like free beer at a bash and this is the counter argument.

No, that would be you. It is you who has been weirdly obsessed with bringing up colluding including incorrectly stating that Apple couldn't collude and claiming that nonsense as a reason Apple isn't a duopoly.

You're wrong about the comparison to Costco, wrong about Apple not being able to collude, wrong about Apple not being a duopoly, ETC.
 
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Yes. But there’s a difference: Apple isn’t merely a motor company. Because when you buy a a Ford or Audi car, youā€˜re free to operate that car to anywhere you want - and buying your gas from any gas station you want.
But you’re not free to install Tesla’s or BMW’s OS on the Audi. I’m not allowed to put CarPlay on my Tesla. If I want CarPlay, I have to buy a car that supports it. I don’t get to buy the car then beg to the government that it’s not fair I can’t have CarPlay on it even though I knew that when I bought it, particularly when there were multiple manufacturers who offered what I wanted. If you want an open system, you have to buy a phone from one of the many manufacturers that offer phones with open operating systems on them.

As such, Apple become a transport (as a) service provider for that subset of businesses.Businesses that are most depend on road transport vehicles and canā€˜t realistically deliver their goods or services through other means - and require adaptation to be delivered through Apple.
To continue the analogy, they’re demanding to use a private toll road Apple built and maintains, that is entirely on Apple’s property, without paying the toll. Because they ā€œdeserveā€ access to Apple’s customers.

I have family who live on an island with one bridge to it - and there is a toll to cross the bridge. Truckers don’t get to skip paying the toll just because they have to use the bridge to get to their destination. Even if they don’t have a way to reach those customers otherwise, or even if residents don't have to pay the toll.

Given the duopoly situation the ā€žpayingā€œ subset of third-party businesses are facing, thatā€˜s clearly not desirable from an economic standpoint.
Duopoly has nothing to do with it. If Android was three separate platforms each with 25% marketshare the DMA would still apply to Apple (which is a prime example of why the DMA is such a bad law). If they don’t like the terms and conditions that come with using another business’ property to make money, they are free to develop for Android or make a web app. Dictating business terms to a minority player in the market isn’t desirable from an economic standpoint - especially when the terms are forcing the minority to accept the policies of the majority player - removing choice from the market for those who prefer a closed ecosystem.

It certainly will.
Once Apple is obliged to provide access and interoperability, we will get more competition for payment instruments in addition to Apple Pay, for example.
I for one am looking forward to having my bank leave Apple Pay for its own custom app. That’s going to be super fun. Unlike changing phones, which is easy, changing banks is not.

Exactly - more choice for gamers that want to play retro games. And more competition for companies to recycle their old game IP with half-arsed ports to iOS. If you want to sell your decades old retro game, you better come up with a proper, high-quality port to iOS.
Emulators don’t increase competition. It's not really competition when the options are "pay money" or "use emulator to play pirated ROMs for free with almost certainly no consequences whatsoever". Because that’s what emulators are - piracy facilitation software. Anyone who argues otherwise is being dishonest.
 
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