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Since Apple employees are so lucky to work for such a generous and caring company, they should all be proud to memorize this amazing creed. (Barf.)
 
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The Apple employees aren't complaining. For all we know they may be fine with this and think it fits their corporate culture just fine. For those of us on the outside looking in, it looks like a rather odd/dismissive gesture for the holidays. Many of us do better as employers or have seen better efforts even from Apple in the fairly recent past. We just hope Apple would go the little extra mile for their employees because they do have that credo and do seem to be holding themselves up on a rather lofty pedestal there. They're not supposed to be like all the other heartless soulless corporations out there who do give their employees nothing for the holidays. It's the holidays and time for a little kindness and generosity we seem to overlook the rest of the year.
Yeah, it seems a bit cheap-ass to the outside world. Seriously, when did Tim turn into Mr Burns?

Perhaps the employees should print up some "think different" cards and t-shirts for the executives? They'd be doing them a favor.
 
I'm sure the Apple store employees would prefer a cash bonus instead of a $2 t-shirt.

Boy this corporate world... They just don't get it!

The other day I went to a job interview as a IT Manager, it wasn't Apple, but another of these "loved companies". The interviewer said that they have a "performance issue" at the location I applied. I figured something was wrong, since they had an open position in such a nice big company. But what amazed me was one of the questions on the interview: Can you tell us the difference between a manager and a leader?

They want managers to be working as "leaders", when they don't even empower lower level employees.
 
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Boy this corporate world... They just don't get it!

The other day I went to a job interview as a IT Manager, it wasn't Apple, but another of these "loved companies". The interviewer said that they have a "performance issue" at the location I applied. I figured something was wrong, since they had an open position in such a nice big company. But what amazed me was one of the questions on the interview: Can you tell us the difference between a manager and a leader?

They want managers to be working as "leaders", when they don't even empower lower level employees.
What was your answer?

I think the answer was in your observation of how they operate, myself. Perhaps the reason they have problems is because they have had only managers running on the fear of letting subordinates get too alpha rather than leaders who know true power and success comes from cultivating the best traits and talents of their people and empowering them gradually to act in ways that are truly useful and innovative. (While simultaneously reigning in their less constructive impulses, as creative as they may seem to those who think them up.)

Sometimes the test of such a question is the willingness to even attempt to answer these weird interview questions at all with any sincerity and gravity. I used to think such questions were stupid and enigmatic myself, but then I watched as my husband rose from tech support to manager to CIO. Then, I finally understood every question that seemed to hold no purpose before.
 
I guess the employee's are supposed to frame the credo and hang it on a wall in their house? Really sort of a creepy, cultish thing. I mean really, what do you do with the credo?

And i thought the church of scientology was already bad. Now this from Apple... not really better.
 
Apple gives retail employees t-shirts All The Damn Time. The only thing special about these is that the employees aren't expected to wear them to work every day.
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So you're arguing that the corporate world has been treating its employees like North Korean citizens for a while, and that makes it better? Give the capitalist-___-sucking a rest, please.
I'm not arguing, simply punting out that this is basic reality and nothing strange or new or outrageous as some are trying out to make it to be. It's just that simple. Arguing about it doesn't change the reality being what it is.
 
I guess the employee's are supposed to frame the credo and hang it on a wall in their house? Really sort of a creepy, cultish thing. I mean really, what do you do with the credo?
Wharver you want? Put it somewhere along with other random things from work? Trash it? Do something else with it? Pretty much one of the least complex things in life.
 
I have worked for companies that have had no bonus, no raises, and were very large in my professional life as an engineer.

The only words I had for them was, "Thank you." That was the same when we got 18% bonuses as well.

I have found that being grateful for things given to me makes me a happier person, and does not depend on others' actions.
 
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I'm sure most employees would prefer some form of cash bonus. However, a bonus is just that, something extra that one is not entitled to. Apple has definitely given better gifts in the past and I am sure hundreds of other businesses have given better gifts this year, but at the end of the day, this is just something extra.

People complaining that it is a billion dollar company and saying this is a cheap gift, blah blah blah, are ridiculous. It is a Christmas gift. Whether it is a $5 gift card or a $5,000 check, it is a gift. Be thankful if you get anything and go on with your life. Just another sign of the entitlement of so many people in the world today.

Entitlement? Hardly. Christmas bonuses go back decades before the entire "entitlement" talk began. Apple treats it's retail employees like the employees should be grateful for the job where Apple has been found guilty of not providing mandatory breaks or paying on a timely manner.
 
Oh that is the most ridiculous thing ever. And mind you, I was raised to be thankful for any kind gesture and raise my own family to do the same. I do not support an attitude of entitlement at all. I'm very strict about such things in my home.

But this is not about entitlement. It's about gratitude, appreciation, and wishing people well during the holidays and how this effort by Apple is an epic fail at expressing any of these sentiments and seems like more self aggrandizement. It's quite disappointing and just perfectly rounds out the image Apple has been putting out there for 2016. (I don't mean to bash--I'm still a fan of their potential and hope they do much better in 2017).

From what I can see of the comments so far, people are critical of these gifts because they have more appreciation and generosity in their hearts for the people in their own lives who bust their butts to enrich their lives in various capacities, and are aghast that the management of a company as wealthy and successful as Apple has the gall to make such a tepid effort.

I do better by the dudes who pick up my recyclables than Apple. I can't imagine giving a weird looking t-shirt and funky poetic gibberish (that sounds like a New Age way to nag them to do their jobs better) to anyone who has served me in any capacity.

These shirts and credos look like the typical swag given away at promotional events rather than even a half hearted way to say thank you and wish happiness and good fortune during the holiday season to hardworking and good employees who helped build the huge money pile the executives are sitting on.

A simple card saying "Thank you for being a part of the Apple family. May you have a happy holiday and a wonderful new year. " would have suited the holidays better and left less room open for misinterpretation.

As I posted , getting a "gift" and just saying thank you seems to be an almost lost art. I will always feel that way.

A lot of times people mean well, but misjudge and a lot of times people feel obligated and go through the motion.

Problem is today adults (Probably many teenagers too) who have a job usually have everything they want and need.

If it's something I really want or need I buy it and whatever I do not buy is usually because I can't afford it.
(Any gift giver won't buy that for me either)

If one is older and blessed with still living parents: What do you give them? They have everything and actually prefer to not get anything to unclutter their lives. They consider a family event with all the kids there a precious gift.

So, what's left to give?

I am against all material Christmas gifts except for children (even they get flooded) and I always say: Once you get your first sweater Xmas is over!
Even don't write cards and am a true bah humbug. Stopped giving business gifts and donated to their causes instead.

If I get gift baskets, I usually pass them on and I will pay my top company people one extra week of wages and pay for the employee Christmas food and pay whatever extra time it takes for them to extend their lunch break.
It adds up and I am only a small company.

One "gift" is always acceptable and that is money. I give that to my children and grand daughter's college fund.
(Ugift 529 for those who want to check that out)

Apple clearly missed the boat and a simple card like you say and I highlighted would have been better than the misjudged T-Shirt and especially the credo is a slap in the face.

The T-Shirt and the credo you should get when you start a job at Apple.

So, to me this belongs to going through the motion department and was extremely bad judgement.
 
To match the credo, the shirt should feature a unicorn with a sparkly rainbow. Now need recommendations for acid reflux medicine.

BTW, thanks for the entertainment. Great and funny remarks.
 
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Feel good hand waving is much better than a pink slip.

Oh, I wasn't referring to employees with my handwaving remark about the credo.

It was about the way that Apple management tries to pretend that they're something they're not. As if words alone can make it real.

The credo talks about "giving more than they take", but their greed, non-green construction, and overall lack of charity compared to other companies, says otherwise.

The credo talks about "being open" to differences, but an app can't even mention its Android version without being banned. Not to mention that Apple acts as sole censor based on whatever they feel like.

The credo talks about "good enough" not being good enough, and yet they constantly hold back features to make more sales the next year. Worse, we end up with cluster-**** UIs like the Apple Watch with four or more different input methods, sometimes all required to complete one action.

The credo talks about "courage", but that seems to be a poor excuse for leaving out ports and features that people still want, simply to make a device thinner.

I really do think that they believe that Jobs' RDF still surrounds them :confused:
 
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Oh, I wasn't referring to employees with my handwaving remark about the credo.

It was about the way that Apple management tries to pretend that they're something they're not. As if words alone can make it real.

The credo talks about "giving more than they take", but their greed, non-green construction, and overall lack of charity compared to other companies, says otherwise.

The credo talks about "being open" to differences, but an app can't even mention its Android version without being banned. Not to mention that Apple acts as sole censor based on whatever they feel like.

The credo talks about "good enough" not being good enough, and yet they constantly hold back features to make more sales the next year. Worse, we end up with cluster-**** UIs like the Apple Watch with four or more different input methods, sometimes all required to complete one action.

The credo talks about "courage", but that seems to be a poor excuse for leaving out ports and features that people still want, simply to make a device thinner.

I really do think that they believe that Jobs' RDF still surrounds them :confused:
I don't know how people know apple management is pretending something they are not. Being a "hard-ass" in the business end of the business is much different than a corporate culture of equality, tolerance, fair pay, fair treatment of employees, etc. That doesn't mean apple management is perfect and being a huge corporate entity they are a lawyer magnet, which is why, imo, they are secretive and protective.

As far as your take on the apple watch, the people that I know that own one, really like them.
 
Oh, I wasn't referring to employees with my handwaving remark about the credo.

It was about the way that Apple management tries to pretend that they're something they're not. As if words alone can make it real.

The credo talks about giving more than they take, but their greed, non-green construction, and overall lack of charity compared to other companies, says otherwise.

The credo talks about being open to differences, but an app can't even mention its Android version without being banned. Not to mention that Apple acts as sole censor based on whatever they feel like.

The credo talks about "good enough" not being good enough, and yet they constantly hold back features to make more sales the next year. Worse, we end up with cluster-**** UIs like the Apple Watch with four or more different input methods, sometimes all required to complete one action.

I really do think that they believe that Jobs' RDF still surrounds them :confused:
I will try and be charitable and say that I think the credo is more along the lines of something they aspire to, rather than fulfill in its entirety, and may ever be so. Words do have the power to enact change by inspiring people, but it is a process and will be an ongoing one as employees leave and new ones are hired. Even among the ones who stay, it's a process. Aspiring to greater levels of positive behavior and endeavors is hard work. The tendency to decline into disorder is something beings and our institutions battle constantly.

I empathize. I read the Gospels often and say I'm a Christian with Christian values according to the teachings of Jesus (I am not actually affiliated with any forms of organized religion at present). But then I run across some idiot in our horrendous local traffic and the things that fly out of my mouth and the thoughts that go with them shatter the notion that I am even remotely like Jesus and may in fact have more in common with Cthulhu. :confused: So it's back to my own personal credos I go, with the hope and plan that I'll do better next time. :rolleyes:
 
Entitlement? Hardly. Christmas bonuses go back decades before the entire "entitlement" talk began. Apple treats it's retail employees like the employees should be grateful for the job where Apple has been found guilty of not providing mandatory breaks or paying on a timely manner.
If you're talking labor violations that's a different topic. Thinking one is owed something because it's a certain time of year and because you work for a company worth a lot of money is entitlement. Pointing out there is a history of something like bonuses doesn't mean one is entitled to it. And feelings of entitlement have been around for hundreds of years I'm sure, it's just worse with more recent generations.
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The Apple employees aren't complaining. For all we know they may be fine with this and think it fits their corporate culture just fine. For those of us on the outside looking in, it looks like a rather odd/dismissive gesture for the holidays. Many of us do better as employers or have seen better efforts even from Apple in the fairly recent past. We just hope Apple would go the little extra mile for their employees because they do have that credo and do seem to be holding themselves up on a rather lofty pedestal there. They're not supposed to be like all the other heartless soulless corporations out there who do give their employees nothing for the holidays. It's the holidays and time for a little kindness and generosity we seem to overlook the rest of the year.

There's nothing wrong with people hoping Apple would give better gifts/bonuses. My issue with some in this thread is the fact that they think Apple HAS to give something and give something great. And having been a member here for almost a decade you truly see the sense of entitlement people have when no matter the gift, they complain every year. It's the same kind of people that complain after Apple donates money in the wake of a natural disaster and come here saying things like "only x amount of money donated when they're worth so much!" They ignore that Apple is doing anything good and think Apple has to do more. As a consumer, holding any company to a standard is fine, but it's written nowhere that the company must meet the standard you as an individual set and if you don't think they're meeting it, nobody says you must continue to support them.
 
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Nobody owes you anything, not a Christmas bonus, not a t shirt, not a gift card. Apple employees accepted employment where they did and unless it is stated in a contract, they are guaranteed nothing more than their salary and basic employment rights. There are millions of people in the world that are unemployed, recently laid off, homeless, and so on yet people think they deserve extra because they did the work they agreed to do when accepting a job. Be thankful to be earning an income and even more thankful if you are lucky enough to receive any type of added bonuses.


This is what I imagine Apple tells their employees when they asked for lunch breaks ...

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/15/technology/apple-class-action-meal-breaks/index.html
 
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