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Google lacks the matching features, live radio, and human curation. Not worth the money
Live radio (Beats 1) is a free feature

Google Music already allows you to upload your music library to the cloud which is the same as match.

The only thing you're left with is human curated radio stations, which I would gladly trade for ad free YouTube
 
Does that mean you don't buy or listen to music anymore or that you've decided to become a pirate?

SM: I own an insane amount of music. I have youtube. and I have friends! Infer what you will!

Says the person who will never pay for music again. o_O

SM: Yeah, exactly! I own a lot of music. I can listen to it over and over. I'm happy stuck in the awesomeness of 80s music.

Personally, I bought a couple of dozen LPs last year (far more than CDs or digital files). They're not hard to find online, even older ones (I got Wild Cherry LPs brand new in the shrink wrap made in the late 1970s and didn't pay more than $15 for a single one (most were $8-11). If you figure inflation, that was a pretty good deal. Of course, I have a number of very limited made 1990s records that are worth as much as $800 (i.e. Pink Floyd PULSE LP set never opened). Selling that one LP alone would pay for about 70-80 CDs or so.

SM: Damn. that's one expensive record. I used to own the picture disc of Love Cats by the cure. I got 200 for that to fund travel. That was my most expensive record. I'd say it could be worth more now than when I sold it though.



I think you got ripped. I don't think I ever paid more than $28 for a single CD and those were Japanese imports of albums you couldn't get in the U.S. I don't think domestic single album CDs ever cost me more than $18 from 1987 to the present. Most were $12-14 for new releases and I got hundreds from CD clubs for prices probably averaging around $5-6.

SM: Maaaate, I'm not American. In the wonderful world of the internet, people from all over the world come together. I come from a country that was absolute piracy in terms of pricing. There was nothing you could do about it. It was the 80s. No internet. Imports often cost 50bucks a pop. And when you rlistening range is esoteric, it really adds up.



I have months where I don't listen to music at all except in the car (busy at home doing other things including other media like movies, games & TV). It's not a good deal if you don't use it.

Meanwhile, let's see. 800 albums over let's say 30 years. At let's say $12 a month (averaging your $10-15 example), that would be $4200 over 30 years for digital streaming for that time (making a hell of an assumption about prices staying constant) and 800 albums at an average of $10 for digital albums to buy and you're $8000 total. Personally, I doubt most "average" people ever bought anywhere near 800 albums in their lifetime and certainly wouldn't listen to them that much. I have closer to 400 CDs plus a few dozen LPs and some digital singles as well, maybe 5000 songs worth total in iTunes. 500 total albums puts that figure at $5000 compared to $4200 for streaming at $12 (or $5400 at $15). Suddenly, the figures don't look so far off, after all.

Now how many of those songs would you actually LISTEN to? Half? One fourth? I say that because I have gobs of albums where I only like a song or two and after the first few listens, skipped the rest, but I still had to pay for them for all that time and that is the beauty of streaming. If you don't like something, you can find something else.

SM: I'm confused by what you're trying to say. I think we agree? For the casual user, streaming is a good deal it seems. It gives them access to a massive collection of music compared to anoraks like us who want to collect the buggers. The casual user can get one album per month or access to a huge library of music that will only grow over time. To be honest, the 10 bucks per month seems reasonable if it gives you access to DL the content offline and listen when you want without using bandwidth/data. And I really believe that for more and more young people music is extremely disposable. Far more than it has ever been due to social media and the way the world interacts now.


I don't subscribe because I already own 5000+ songs and I don't get off listening to random crap on the radio. I want to hear music I actually LIKE. And if I like it, I probably already bought it.

SM: Yeah. Same. But I can't understand why young people aren't signing up. It really isn't expensive at 10 bucks a month. Anyway, enjoy your music!
 
Can you tell us what you think is so terrible about it?

My option, of course, but this is what I think is bad. In order of importance:

1. Lots of reports of corrupted iCloud syncing of music library. Apple replacing tracks with different versions of music, of radio edits., etc. The problem from what I read is they are syncing on meta-tags and finding the closest approximation and not using digital fingerprints and ensuring exact matches.

2. Missing basic features—download entire album/playlist was just added for heaven's sake—and some of them are implemented poorly, e.g. turning off syncing or deleting a lot of content will lock up your phone or the app until the process is complete

3. Playlists are better on Spotify. More of them, and better. Weekly Discovery on Spotify is awesome...I feel a rush of joy on Monday when I remember it's a new playlist for me...a mix of music I love and know, songs I enjoy and have forgotten about, and a few new tracks which I may enjoy. It's like a musical Christmas 52 weeks a year.

4. The other services are designed for music, while I think Apple's offerings are designed like a spreadsheet of songs to push you to buy things in iTunes. And the problem is, the more music you own, the more this spreadsheet of song titles becomes unwieldy and unusable.

Allow me to explain:

When you are on spotify or RDO, there are related artists, related playlists, stations, etc. The experience is visually rich with big, rich imagery of artists. The other services feels like an old school record store where you can hang out for hours discovering and enjoying music with your friends, a musical experience. iTunes/Music apps feel like a spreadsheet or Walmart: sterile, cold, and merchandising done by people looking at $/sf, not music fans. (Why did Apple buy Beats again?)

It's easier to discover new artists, musics, or re-connect with music you haven't heard in awhile. It's much easier to make custom playlists because these "related lists" allow you to go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of connected music.

Ironically, Apple used to have this content, but they got rid of it.


5. It's really, really buggy. (not showing all songs on album, then showing dupes of other albums, ratings get erased, library uploads don't properly match, etc, etc, etc.)
 
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My option, of course, but this is what I think is bad. In order of importance:

1. Lots of reports of corrupted iCloud syncing of music library. Apple replacing tracks with different versions of music, of radio edits., etc. The problem from what I read is they are syncing on meta-tags and finding the closest approximation and not using digital fingerprints and ensuring exact matches.

2. Missing basic features—download entire album/playlist was just added for heaven's sake—and some of them are implemented poorly, e.g. turning off syncing or deleting a lot of content will lock up your phone or the app until the process is complete

3. Playlists are better on Spotify. More of them, and better. Weekly Discovery on Spotify is awesome...I feel a rush of joy on Monday when I remember it's a new playlist for me...a mix of music I love and know, songs I enjoy and have forgotten about, and a few new tracks which I may enjoy. It's like a musical Christmas 52 weeks a year.

4. The other services are designed for music, while I think Apple's offerings are designed like a spreadsheet of songs to push you to buy things in iTunes. And the problem is, the more music you own, the more this spreadsheet of song titles gets worse and worse.

Allow me to explain:

When you are on spotify or RDO, there are related artists, related playlists, stations, etc. The experience is visually rich with big, rich imagery of artists. The other services feels like an old school record store where you can hang out for hours discovering and enjoying music with your friends, a musical experience. iTunes/Music apps feel like a spreadsheet or Walmart: sterile, cold, and merchandising done by people looking at $/sf, not music fans. (Why did Apple buy Beats again?)

It's easier to discover new artists, musics, or re-connect with music you haven't heard in awhile. It's much easier to make custom playlists because these "related lists" allow you to go down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of connected music.

Ironically, Apple used to have this content, but they got rid of it.


5. It's really, really buggy. (not showing all songs on album, then showing dupes of other albums, ratings get erased, library uploads don't properly match, etc, etc, etc.)

My biggest issue with the music app is the layout and some of the UI decisions that were made as well as features that were in explicably removed:

1. My personal music library takes a backseat to the streaming service. Previously, the views for Songs, Artists, Albums, etc. were neatly laid in customizable bottom tabs that could easily be rearranged. Now it's all crammed into a single tab: My Music and it takes extra steps now to locate what I wanna listen to. All of the other tabs on the bottom are completely fixed so the lack of customization there is definitely a downgrade from what we had before.

2. No landscape mode. The music app always had a landscape mode and the current version removed it without a substantial replacement. The coverflow interface from iOS 1-6 was fantastic and even though the flat tiled interface in iOS 7-8 was not nearly as good, it still worked fine and made sense. Now nothing happens when you flip your iPhone horizontally which makes the larger displays of the 6(s)/6(s) Plus feel less valuable and wastes the built-in accelerometer's capabilities.

3. Speaking of wasting the accelerometer's capabilities, the cool shake-to-shuffle feature was also removed for no reason. I really enjoyed using the feature for a quick instant shuffle. The significant thing was, the feature was completely optional so why completely remove it? Another downgrade in the features department.

4. The transparent status bar hanging over the album art is distracting from the album art and I'm pretty sure that violates Apple's own GUI guidelines which is all about alleviating the content and removing parts of the design that obscure it.

5. The hot pink on white color scheme remains as tacky as it was in previous versions and the mini player looks so dull, they could've at least put a thumbnail of the album art on it.

6. The new icon was ugly. The previous red/orange icon had a gradient which looked really nice in iOS 8-8.3 and felt consistent with previous versions. Now we have another garish and dull icon that's mostly white with little color in it. What is iOS's current fettish with mostly white icons? At least make the home screen icons be distinct while consistent but it's neither here.
 
Yip most of the folk I have came across in Apple Stores surprisingly new less than me about products , I was asking about Apple TV it was said that since he didn't own one he couldn't really answer my question! We can you ask someone who can then ? Really thought theses guys were all knowledgeable about there products this just proves how wrong I was

The employees aren't hired based on knowledge at all. As long as they own an apple product that is good enough. Genius's aren't granted that position based on knowledge either, they must do great at a lower position and then are trained to be a genius.

If you want to talk with someone with knowledge when you go to an apple retail store ask for an expert and hope for the best. Also not to be sexist, but the males fair better in the technical questions compared to the females. You cannot go wrong asking for a creative either, however they are likely not available.

As far as the apple tv thing, it can be a reasonable response depending on the question asked. However, they should have found the answer or gotten someone else to help. You then should have asked to speak with an expert and told them that this particular employee needs training on apple tv. This is something they would take seriously.
 
The contined echoes of the expressions of the "entitled" generation. So sad, so shallow. Be at peace, life itself is a gift, and God loves you more than you'll ever know.
 
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I just got two free "Deezer" (ugh, that stupid name) 6 month subs for just being a UK "Three" carrier customer - I can get as many as I want, you just need as many disposable PAYG SIMs as you want accounts. This is no big deal.
Thanks, I wasn't aware of this offer. I'm also on three so will definitely give this a go after my apple music and Google play music trials expire.
 
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Apple last week provided all of its employees with urBeats earphones from the Beats by Dr. Dre product lineup as part of an annual holiday gift, and today iTunes chief Eddy Cue told Apple employees they would also receive a free nine-month subscription to Apple Music.

Cue shared the news in a video message that went out to employees this morning. Employees will receive an Apple Music promo code later this month, which will allow them to activate their free subscriptions.

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Valued at $90, the Apple Music subscription paired with the urBeats headphones makes Apple's 2015 gift to its employees one of the most generous the company has offered in recent years. Apple's holiday gifts go out to all of its employees around the world, encompassing Cupertino, satellite offices, and each of its retail locations.

In addition to being a nice perk for employees, offering an Apple Music subscription to all of its employees will have benefits for Apple, as it will allow retail workers to familiarize themselves with the service so they can better explain and recommend it to customers.

Article Link: Apple Gifts Retail Employees With Apple Music Subscription



This all sounds nice employer/employee relationship but I question Apple managements motives and I would speculate that their motives are to improve Apple Music adoption stats.
 
I think when it comes to Christmas gifts, tangible products are a better option. Employees get to walk away with something that they can remember. Now they have a service for 9 months.
 
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I think when it comes to Christmas gifts, tangible products are a better option. Employees get to walk away with something that they can remember. Now they have a service for 9 months.

THEY ALREADY HAVE A TANGIBLE PRODUCT, the beats earbuds. That would be an extra.
 
This all sounds nice employer/employee relationship but I question Apple managements motives and I would speculate that their motives are to improve Apple Music adoption stats.
Just like you can always speculate that anyone giving a gift is simply doing that to get rid of something they don't want and don't really actually care.
 
C'mon Eddie, why not 12 months? Lmao.

LOL, seems odd it is 9mo vs. 12mo. Also seems like an after thought since they received the headphones last week. From a different perspective, guess they could have done nothing so it's all upside for the employee.
 
Every one of these services have their pros and cons. I have had iTunes Match for years and it has worked fine out of the gate when I started Apple Music. I personally just haven't run into the bugs that people have claimed to have had. However, I have 25,000 songs in the cloud, so maybe I haven't run across the issue because it would take forever to listen to everything. When I was on Spotify and Rdio, I didn't have the option to put my music in the cloud, so if I run into one song in a thousand that has a live version rather than the studio version (which has not happened), I at least have the option to hear something from the cloud by the Beatles and other artists not on Spotify/Rdio.

Personally, I don't download a ton of music to my device because the songs are in the cloud. It would be a waste of space on my iOS device. If I think I will be outside of cellular and wifi (like in the Smokies), I just take my 160GB Classic along (also saves battery power for hikes and it is already in the car, so I have it with me anyway). However, I have downloaded and deleted songs/albums from Apple Music and that hasn't caused my phone or iPad to freeze.

Another thing is that I can access my lossless iTunes library (16/44.1 and 24/96) files using the Apple Music app when I am home. This gives me higher quality without needing to change apps, unlike Spotify.

When I was on Spotify and told Siri to play the top songs from a specific year nothing happened. However, with Apple Music, I can drive in my car, tell it to play something and it plays. I can say "hey Siri" with my phone docked across the room and tell it what I want to hear. Can't do that with the other services on iOS.

Personally, "For you" fits my preferences better than Spotify or Rdio ever did. It has been about 10 months since I used Spotify, but I was not impressed with their suggestions, their layout, or their black background. I was a bigger fan of Rdio and they had fantastic features like "Continue play" & Artist Radio Slider that I would love to see Apple adopt, but it isn't a game changer like Siri.

The icing on the cake is that Apple Music works a lot better in my car than Spotify or Rdio with more features and artwork (which Spotify suffered with after one song played). Also, Apple Music integrates with Siri on the AppleTV 4th Gen, so that is another bonus.

As I mentioned above, it really comes down to what you want from a service. I want the convenience of Siri and it is the only game in town. My second choice was Rdio, but they are headed for the hills, so I wouldn't have the option to go back to them anyway.
 
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That's a really cheap present. No Black Friday deals for customers and now a "gift" for their workers that effectively costs Apple nothing?? Gee, I'll bet Tim doesn't get paid like that.
 
That's a really cheap present. No Black Friday deals for customers and now a "gift" for their workers that effectively costs Apple nothing?? Gee, I'll bet Tim doesn't get paid like that.
Getting paid is different and separate from a gift (and, as mentioned before, of course Apple pays for the music content).
 
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Getting paid is different and separate from a gift (and, as mentioned before, of course Apple pays for the music content).
You actually think Tim or anybody at their headquarters gets a Christmas bonus of some Apple Music and headphones???I don't think so!!
 
You actually think Tim or anybody at their headquarters gets a Christmas bonus of some Apple Music and headphones???I don't think so!!
I'm saying that people get paid for their work and can get bonuses that are separate and different from any gifts.
 
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