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I’ve noticed these things too. I was pretty surprised they stopped using the felt sleeve for the watch in the box. I also noticed something a little odd on my series 6 SBTi yesterday. Had the band out to rinse everything off after a workout and I noticed the little door that’s in the band slot for Apple to program the watch is a lighter color than the rest of the watch. Almost looks aluminum or graphite by comparison. Anyone else seeing that door not mating like it used to? I’m sure it hurts nothing, but I’m curious if that’s something else they’re doing to save costs. Use a common color door across models.
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I’d agree to an extent. Yes, there were certain characteristics that Apple does make more exclusive the Apple Watch, like the plastic box examples that I mentioned before. However, this isn’t Steve’s company anymore, and Apple isn’t expected to Do you want what they were all those years ago. That said, as long as Apple doesn’t cheapen on their hardware standards and they continue to put out quality watchOS, that’s all I could ask for. Not to mention, they value my privacy, which is a major factor about the Apple Watch. Now, if you could have name any other company that takes the extent that Apple does, I’d be interested to hear who can even come near them.

My point is, I can deal with the fact that they make some packaging material changes, as long as they keep their core standards as a priority as they always have.
I agree 100% on the privacy and that things change. Cutting corners is a slippery slope though that's all.
 
You don’t have computer(s) with USB-C port?

My desktop PC has one. My laptop is sold. I
I’ve noticed these things too. I was pretty surprised they stopped using the felt sleeve for the watch in the box. I also noticed something a little odd on my series 6 SBTi yesterday. Had the band out to rinse everything off after a workout and I noticed the little door that’s in the band slot for Apple to program the watch is a lighter color than the rest of the watch. Almost looks aluminum or graphite by comparison. Anyone else seeing that door not mating like it used to? I’m sure it hurts nothing, but I’m curious if that’s something else they’re doing to save costs. Use a common color door across models.
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Likely aluminum, and yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this was another corner cutting measure of Apple's. "Well the consumer won't see it". That goes against some of the original Apple design principles.

EDIT - Just checked my wife's SS graphite and it too is a different shade. So it isn't graphite.
 
My desktop PC has one. My laptop is sold.

FYI this is a decent option for a "charging corner" - 18W USBC plus 3 USBA ports. Total 42W. I've used it at my kitchen side-counter charge point for the past year. I keep a lightning cable, an Anker Qi pad, a microUSB cable, and a USBC to USBC cable attached.


This is also a decent option for a desktop unit - plenty of power for my macbook air or work laptop (lenovo). Kinda wish I had a couple more USBA ports but I'm good for now.

 
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Oh I agree.. Apple has been slowly increasing margins at the cost of consumer experience for years now.
Apple stock just got dinged by Barclays because of speculation that Apple’s margins are decreasing with the new iPhones. 5G and OLED across the line are expensive not to mention 5 nm SoCs.
 
My desktop PC has one. My laptop is sold. I


Likely aluminum, and yeah I wouldn't be surprised if this was another corner cutting measure of Apple's. "Well the consumer won't see it". That goes against some of the original Apple design principles.

EDIT - Just checked my wife's SS graphite and it too is a different shade. So it isn't graphite.

That’s normally something Apple wouldn’t do. Kinda surprised. Is your wife’s lighter or darker? Here’s a little better shot in sunlight.

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That’s normally something Apple wouldn’t do. Kinda surprised. Is your wife’s lighter or darker? Here’s a little better shot in sunlight.

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It's the same shade as yours. I looked at my SG aluminum S5 and it looks the same as hers. So likely a SG aluminum tray.
 
Wow. Interesting. So they’re likely using SG aluminum for everything. Least you don’t see it and it only stands out if you look in a decent light. Thanks for checking.
 
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Anyone remember the nice plastic boxes the Apple Watch Series 0 SS came in.
I still have one. 😀

My first thought was wow, such a heavy package for such a small product. Prefer the current method.
 
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Why would that be ridiculous? What benefit would I get from having a bunch more unused phone storage?

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... also kinda unclear on just exactly what real world benefit that's supposed to provide to folks who aren't into action games?




Hello early battery replacement!
Even for action games, 60 FPS is more than enough.
 
Still have mine — my recently-retired S0 now lives in one half on a shelf in the office. The other half stays on my nightstand as a charging area for my S6.

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Still have mine — my recently-retired S0 now lives in one half on a shelf in the office. The other half stays on my nightstand as a charging area for my S6.

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You literally have the exact same set up with what I did with my plastic boxes. One was a ‘nightstand‘ as a Charger base and the other one was just a placement holder for around the house. You’d be surprised what those boxes sell for on eBay, $30 or more if they’re in good condition and the Felt isn’t stained.
 
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You feel their penny-pinching now?! Wait until they announce the iPhone 12 series. The first thing that comes to mind is that the non-"pro" models are supposedly shipping with 64 GB, I don't need to tell this group how ridiculous that is...right!? and not to mention the potential lack of a 120 Hz screen.

Look, like all of you I'm in the Apple ecosystem but it does feel like Apple is marching in place when it comes to advancements. Whatever you do I strongly recommend you do not look at Android flagships! For instance I saw a review for a model that came with a 120 watt (environmentally unfriendly :rolleyes:) charger that could charge your phone from 0-100 in less than 30 minutes and has a 120 hz screen and costs $865.
I am with you 100% regarding the iPhone 12 starting at 64GB and no 120Hz screen, not to mention lack of touch ID when the new iPad features that. There is no excuse for any high end phone not coming with 128GB standard in 2020 or even 2019 for that matter.

I'm also 'all in with Apple' but it doesn't make me happy about these things. Imagine purchasing your first iPhone in 2020 only to find they don't include a charger and maybe, just maybe, you don't already have a drawer full of spare charging bricks.
 
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I'm with you 100%

I am with you 100% regarding the iPhone 12 starting at 64GB and no 120Hz screen, not to mention lack of touch ID when the new iPad features that. There is no excuse for any high end phone not coming with 128GB standard in 2020 or even 2019 for that matter.

I'm also 'all in with Apple' but it doesn't make me happy about these things. Imagine purchasing your first iPhone in 2020 only to find they don't include a charger and maybe, just maybe, you don't already have a drawer full of spare charging bricks.

*shrug* lots of folks don’t even fill 64GB - if you need it, then buy the $50 upgrade or buy the 12pro which does have 128GB as the base.

I’ve asked before and haven’t seen a reply - genuinely curious - just what real world benefit would I get from a 120hz display refresh? What am I missing out on that makes this something I should care about?

As for the power brick, in the rare instances where someone has no existing USBA / Lightning power sources, the solution is inexpensive and as close as the nearest grocery/convenience/drug store.
 
I'm with you 100%

I am with you 100% regarding the iPhone 12 starting at 64GB and no 120Hz screen, not to mention lack of touch ID when the new iPad features that. There is no excuse for any high end phone not coming with 128GB standard in 2020 or even 2019 for that matter.

I'm also 'all in with Apple' but it doesn't make me happy about these things. Imagine purchasing your first iPhone in 2020 only to find they don't include a charger and maybe, just maybe, you don't already have a drawer full of spare charging bricks.

I just got an iPhone SE 2020 (with charger and earphones incl), more than happy, does what I need it to and will be supported for a while. My excitement about phones is long gone, Apple is industry leading in smartwatches so that is where my interest lies.
 
I'm with you 100%

I am with you 100% regarding the iPhone 12 starting at 64GB and no 120Hz screen, not to mention lack of touch ID when the new iPad features that. There is no excuse for any high end phone not coming with 128GB standard in 2020 or even 2019 for that matter.

I'm also 'all in with Apple' but it doesn't make me happy about these things. Imagine purchasing your first iPhone in 2020 only to find they don't include a charger and maybe, just maybe, you don't already have a drawer full of spare charging bricks.
Exactly. Besides the fact that the bricks probably cost Apple 50 cents apiece, so why not include them for people who don't "have a drawer full." If I were an Apple newbie and bought a $400 watch, I'd be pissed to not get that charging brick because who the hell wants to make a trip to Target. And yeah, I know I can use a USB port on my laptop but who wants to drag a laptop around with a bunch of cords dangling.
 
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*shrug* lots of folks don’t even fill 64GB - if you need it, then buy the $50 upgrade or buy the 12pro which does have 128GB as the base.

I’ve asked before and haven’t seen a reply - genuinely curious - just what real world benefit would I get from a 120hz display refresh? What am I missing out on that makes this something I should care about?

As for the power brick, in the rare instances where someone has no existing USBA / Lightning power sources, the solution is inexpensive and as close as the nearest grocery/convenience/drug store.
That is fine but the cost differential for Apple between 64GB and 128GB is very minimal, other manufacturers offer 128GB as entry point for far less total outlay. Keep in mind that Apple are top of the tree and as such should not be dragging their heals and offering such low specs. Once you get to 256GB the cost to Apple becomes more relevant but not offering 128GB as base storage on phones costing in excess of $699 is inexcusable.

With a faster refresh rate such as 120hHz you see less motion blur when scrolling, it looks more natural and is much easier on the eye. Something you would most likely miss if you had experienced it and then moved to a new device without it.

I understand it would be rare for a consumer to not have power bricks spare but if they didn't and wanted one from Apple it would still cost $20-30. We are talking about $699+ phones which have in many countries just incurred a price increase. It's a matter of principal for the most part, I for one like to have spare power bricks to hand.
 
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That is fine but the cost differential for Apple between 64GB and 128GB is very minimal, other manufacturers offer 128GB as entry point for far less total outlay. Keep in mind that Apple are top of the tree and as such should not be dragging their heals and offering such low specs. Once you get to 256GB the cost to Apple becomes more relevant but not offering 128GB as base storage on phones costing in excess of $699 is inexcusable.

With a faster refresh rate such as 120hHz you see less motion blur when scrolling, it looks more natural and is much easier on the eye. Something you would most likely miss if you had experienced it and then moved to a new device without it.

I understand it would be rare for a consumer to not have power bricks spare but if they didn't and wanted one from Apple it would still cost $20-30. We are talking about $699+ phones which have in many countries just incurred a price increase. It's a matter of principal for the most part, I for one like to have spare power bricks to hand.

Thanks on the explanation of 120 - still seems like a solution for a problem I'm not experiencing. Haven't seen anything disruptive to me in scrolling, nor any eyestrain. I appreciate the answer though.

Cost to Apple - yes, the materials cost differential to Apple of 64 vs 128GB is not much. Nor, presumably, is the cost of the 5W bricks. With (admittedly inferior) devices selling for 50-60 cents each in volume on Alibaba, which includes covering overhead costs and profit for those companies, surely the cost to Apple of their 5W bricks cannot be much higher; I'd guess still under $1 each.

Thus if Apple were to pass along their cost savings of the 5W bricks, phone prices would drop $1. Maybe $2. That's just noise in the light of all the various other costs / changes - not to mention inflation. $999 this time last year is effectively $1012.70 today per consumer price index calculator @ BLS. So did Apple reduce other manuf costs to compensate despite retooling production lines? Are they taking less effective revenue? Anything about whether Apples costs are higher or lower relative to the price is a complete guess for we who are outside the company and cannot see the detail cost analysis.

Price / Positioning - I note that with the introduction of the 12mini, it takes the pricepoint the 11 had last year, with the 11/XR/SE stair stepping down from there. From a marketing and product positioning stance, it then makes sense for the 12 to be higher priced - even though it represents an increase from last year. Remember too that cost has little relevance to product pricing for non-commodity goods. What matters is consumer willingness to pay.

As for 64 being a "low spec" - remember also that Apple doesn't necessarily chase specs nor do they necessarily cater to the propellerheads and power users. I suspect if you were to look at the phones of the typical consumer you'd find they're not anywhere near filling 64GB. Of my non-techie friends and family I don't know one that's done so; all have been fine with base storage. Even my phone has a bunch leftover at 64GB capacity and I'm the most techie of the bunch of us.
 
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12 is priced higher than 11 mainly because it’s using OLED (higher res and a bit bigger screen as well) instead of LCD, and of course 5G chip from Qualcomm.
Good point, I’d forgotten that detail. So folks do in fact “get something” for the price change from the 11. Thanks.
 
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Thanks on the explanation of 120 - still seems like a solution for a problem I'm not experiencing. Haven't seen anything disruptive to me in scrolling, nor any eyestrain. I appreciate the answer though.

Cost to Apple - yes, the materials cost differential to Apple of 64 vs 128GB is not much. Nor, presumably, is the cost of the 5W bricks. With (admittedly inferior) devices selling for 50-60 cents each in volume on Alibaba, which includes covering overhead costs and profit for those companies, surely the cost to Apple of their 5W bricks cannot be much higher; I'd guess still under $1 each.

Thus if Apple were to pass along their cost savings of the 5W bricks, phone prices would drop $1. Maybe $2. That's just noise in the light of all the various other costs / changes - not to mention inflation. $999 this time last year is effectively $1012.70 today per consumer price index calculator @ BLS. So did Apple reduce other manuf costs to compensate despite retooling production lines? Are they taking less effective revenue? Anything about whether Apples costs are higher or lower relative to the price is a complete guess for we who are outside the company and cannot see the detail cost analysis.

Price / Positioning - I note that with the introduction of the 12mini, it takes the pricepoint the 11 had last year, with the 11/XR/SE stair stepping down from there. From a marketing and product positioning stance, it then makes sense for the 12 to be higher priced - even though it represents an increase from last year. Remember too that cost has little relevance to product pricing for non-commodity goods. What matters is consumer willingness to pay.

As for 64 being a "low spec" - remember also that Apple doesn't necessarily chase specs nor do they necessarily cater to the propellerheads and power users. I suspect if you were to look at the phones of the typical consumer you'd find they're not anywhere near filling 64GB. Of my non-techie friends and family I don't know one that's done so; all have been fine with base storage. Even my phone has a bunch leftover at 64GB capacity and I'm the most techie of the bunch of us.
Sometimes we don't know a 'problem' exists until someone else points it out to us. Standard refresh rates are not even close to what I would classify as a problem but 120Hz is certainly an improvement I'd recommend looking at if you ever get the opportunity. Also keep in mind Apple had this technology since the 2017 iPad Pro so it isn't exactly new for them and maybe it should be available on all iPhones not just the Pro line.

Horses for courses as they say but I have enough knowledge of memory costs to state there is no excuse for 64GB entry point on the non Pro range in 2020, the additional dollars for Apple to go with 128GB could easily be referred to as 'noise' in the grand scheme of things. Many users will feel that 128GB is worth the extra $50 just in case they need it at some point, Apple are smart and they know this 🙂

I realise that if the standard 12 had 120hz and 128GB base storage there would be less reasons to buy the Pro but they could at least give us 128GB leaving 120Hz for the Pro and maybe also give that Pro line 256GB base storage to differentiate them more - I feel less storage options would make it easier for the consumer as well.

Prices vary in different parts of the world, in this neck of the woods prices are up and power bricks are missing.

I have some friends who don't touch 64GB and others who are simply average users, they video family, take photos and need at least 128GB. You don't need to be technically biased to take video and photos but I would agree that a large portion of users will not need more than 64GB.

Anyway, I probably shouldn't have bitten but I did - all personal opinion of course 😉 well, some of it.
 
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