Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
LOL.

Wrong.

Considering I love Apple computers and support them I have no issues with them. What I do have issues with is there changing business practices that are aimed more towards locking down there tech and putting the iphone in front of there other tech.
 
What caught my attention is HTC. Look at how many percentage it got. HTC is doing Winmo and Android, and I have a feeling they can surpass Apple.
 
My math shows RIM grew more from year-ago quarter than Apple.

Percentage-wise, yes. Profit-wise? I read that Apple took the lead in profits even from Nokia, much less RIM. RIM's carriers are having to offer 2for1 sales just to move them.

Again, with all of your Pro Apple comments, everyone else is crap comments, RIM just like Microsoft will always have a stranglehold on the business sector. Thats the money market right there. iPhones thus far in our environment have been pretty much a disaster.
Based on certain 'inside' knowledge, Microsoft's stranglehold in the enterprise is slipping -- and so is RIM's. Both will hold their higher shares for a while, yet, but unless they do something significantly different from what they've done in the past, new technologies will leave them behind. And I don't just mean by Apple.

He wasn't far off with the 2% or 3% figure for Apple's share of the total world phone market, it's just his 60% or 70% share for phones with Microsoft's software which is laughable. ;)

Better look at that chart again. I don't believe that 17% is just the US market. The other companies are being hurt world wide, or they wouldn't be complaining so loudly about how Apple is 'stealing their technologies.'
 
If Apple is vaporized tomorrow, then maybe.
I think that if Android does take off, HTC has the possibility to give Apple a good run.

The fact that HTC has a gazillion different hardware models running on virtually every carrier worldwide gives them a bit of a leg up for not having a model that runs iPhone OS. :)
 
Percentage-wise, yes. Profit-wise? I read that Apple took the lead in profits even from Nokia, much less RIM. RIM's carriers are having to offer 2for1 sales just to move them.

And counter that is iPhone carriers are having to give the iPhone a subsidized at a rate 60%-100% larger than the standard smart phone to move them.

On AT&T the iPhone is getting a $400 subsidization compared to the $200-250 for other phones
 
Maybe I have been living in a box or have no friends but around here I only know 1 person with a nokia smartphone and everyone else with smartphones have some sort of BB or an iPhone.

You live in the states?

Its well known that Nokia perform poorly in n.america.

Ask the question "who uses a nokia smartphone" in Europe and elsewhere and you'd get a vastly different answer.
 
I
The fact that HTC has a gazillion different hardware models running on virtually every carrier worldwide gives them a bit of a leg up for not having a model that runs iPhone OS. :)

Some have argued that that business model is actually a disadvantage, post June 2007.
 
until apple can make major inroads into federal (civil service & DoD) and the private sector businesses, apple will probably reach a max capacity. Also, being that its limited to just AT&T also hurts its efforts. Its good to see HTC making an impact and i like what they are doing with their winmo and android hardware, it should be interesting in about a year or two since the mobile space is heating up big time.
 
More evidence that Microsoft has no vision but can only follow others' lead. This time, fortunately, it will probably be too late. Thank you Google.
So when OS X gets SSD TRIM support (which Windows 7 already has), will you say that Apple followed MS's lead (for once)? :p
 
What caught my attention is HTC. Look at how many percentage it got. HTC is doing Winmo and Android, and I have a feeling they can surpass Apple.

When was the last time you heard someone say "I really want that new HTC phone!" I've never heard this. HTC may have an armada of hardware, but their brand power is zero. At least in the U.S.

And while I admire Android (particularly for being the Windows Mobile killer that it will surely be), my bet is the hardware/software fragmentation issues are going to be horrific (in the long-term) for all parties involved.

So when OS X gets SSD TRIM support (which Windows 7 already has), will you say that Apple followed MS's lead (for once)? :p

Because adding support for existing hardware to your OS is innovation? :confused:

until apple can make major inroads into federal (civil service & DoD) and the private sector businesses, apple will probably reach a max capacity.

Yeah, because Apple found out with the iPod that you just can't change an industry and sell bajillions of units without government and enterprise buy-in. :rolleyes:
 
The iPhone is perfectly capable of basic Exchange support, so in small enterprise environments, it's perfectly fine to migrate to it.

For a lot of mixed Exchange environments however (which many large organizations have), the iPhone is still quite a bit behind RIM in terms of Exchange support. Calendaring issues, delegate issues, the list adds up fairly quickly. For the organization I work for, iPhones are supported, but for the execs who have them, we also require that they have a Blackberry.
 
Every time Microsoft gets squeezed out of a market, an angel gets its wings.

I can't wait to see the amazingly iPhone-like Windows Mobile 7. Too bad no one will care by the time it shows up. More evidence that Microsoft has no vision but can only follow others' lead. This time, fortunately, it will probably be too late. Thank you Google.

And yet, it's fairly common knowledge that MS has been using Apple as their primary source of R&D for decades. Simon Aldou, of MS, admits this himself.

Again you show how blind you are and do not really even know what all blackberry and RIM have to offer. The blackberry is the only phone out there that can do true push as RIM currently owns all the pattens on it. There are ways to go around RIM pattens. Apple way is not true push in how it is done but to the end users you can not tell a difference. RIM way of doing it is a lot better on the battery than apple but that is where owning the pattens comes in handy.

RIM has a lot of offer and with OS 5 rolling out they have added in a lot of great things to the blackberry while still keeping true to its core.

Actually, this is not true, as RIM carries absolutely no pattens on anything.

If you were by chance addressing patents, however, this would be a different story.
 
Because adding support for existing hardware to your OS is innovation? :confused:
Because it's a newly-supported feature of SSDs, a product which both Apple and others offer to their customers, and a product which is beginning to now get quite a bit of momentum behind it.

SSDs tend to slow down in performance over the lifespan of the drive. TRIM helps to avoid that. It's been a feature that A LOT of people have been looking forward to, and it's finally become available. Linux supports it. Windows 7 supports it. OS X? Not so much.

And why does "innovation" have to be limited to flashy features that appeal to your eyes or senses? If I spend $400 or more on a SSD drive (or upgrade option), I'd like the comfort of knowing that it's performance isn't going to dramatically deteriorate as it ages. TRIM gives me that comfort. :)
 
Better look at that chart again. I don't believe that 17% is just the US market. The other companies are being hurt world wide, or they wouldn't be complaining so loudly about how Apple is 'stealing their technologies.'

That chart is for the worldwide market share of smartphones.

Balmer was talking about the worldwide cell phone market.

There is a difference. ;)
 
When was the last time you heard someone say "I really want that new HTC phone!" I've never heard this.

My guess is that you only hang around Apple forums.

On other phone forums, people are constantly drooling over the latest HTC phones, be they WM or Android.

For that matter, every press site has been printing raves over the HTC HD2, whether they're normally pro-HTC or not.
 
My guess is that you only hang around Apple forums.

On other phone forums, people are constantly drooling over the latest HTC phones, be they WM or Android.

For that matter, every press site has been printing raves over the HTC HD2, whether they're normally pro-HTC or not.

Substitute HTC with Palm. Or Storm. Or now, Droid.

We've seen it all before.
 
Percentage-wise, yes. Profit-wise? I read that Apple took the lead in profits even from Nokia, much less RIM. RIM's carriers are having to offer 2for1 sales just to move them.

Word. Market share is such a ludicrous measuring stick. Microsoft just borked a million Xboxes from Xbox Live because the users were running hacked hardware. Those million MS fanboys (a popular word around here, so I'll use it) will likely run out and buy a million new Xboxes so they can game online again. Microsoft will show that number as a million new Xboxes sold and wave it in the face of their competitor, Sony. Xbox market share is up!

Rubbish.

And I'd rather sell a hundred gadgets at $500 each than a thousand at $10 each. Which is exactly what Apple is doing in both the computer and the mobile phone markets. And that's exactly the right approach.

Screw market share.

My guess is that you only hang around Apple forums.

On other phone forums, people are constantly drooling over the latest HTC phones, be they WM or Android.

"People" being "tech hounds" - just like the people here on MacRumors. How many Regular Joe consumers are talking about HTC phones or Android? No one that I've met. They just aren't.

And people are "drooling" over WM? LOL! Keep dreaming. Even the most fanatical pro-MS journalists are savaging WM 6.5 as the archaic pile of crud that it is. WM has absolutely zero interest in the consumer sector, and the "nerd" and "enterprise" sectors are starting to dump it as well.
 
what does the ipod have anything to do with the current thread or mobile smart phones?

Yeah, because Apple found out with the iPod that you just can't change an industry and sell bajillions of units without government and enterprise buy-in. :rolleyes:

LagunaSol = LTD = Fanboy :D
 
Because integrating already available hardware features is innovation of a software company?
Because supporting features that haven't even been released yet = worthless?

TRIM was just finally pushed out. Linux and Windows 7 had TRIM support *before* TRIM was even available yet for users to upgrade to.

What's your definition of innovation then? Only features that Apple themselves creates/provides?
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.