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Apple may have better market share in the U.S, and that's all they have

They can''t even go report outside the U.S with any stats... That's not a company, that's a liar..

And i hate liars.. :mad:

Time to report globally like all other companies too...

this is so 1980's

My oh my such anger about market shares... Why are you posting here exactly. Considering Samsung (and most other companies) posts just about no reliable real stats at all (proved in court) while Apple give decently reliable sell through numbers, your rant is funny...

Worldwide market share is 5.7% (not estimated by Apple since they don't have other companies numbers); excluding the US numbers, probably around 4%

Apple is more transparent about its numbers than many other companies, so again your rant is funny.
 
Is there a way Apple can catch up past the others?

No. Why should they? All those other companies? They're not making money. Next recession, we'll lose two. So, what good is market share? Depends on the market. Depends on the share.
 
Office 2015 for the mac certainly isn't going to hurt in this area. Just like Office for the iPad.

As enterprise macs become more relevant in the Apple ecosystem, I really don't think pricing needs to drop. The build quality should keep edging buyers closer to Apple's side.

We are a post-production facility. We have about 20 Dells, and one 2008 Mac for some technical work, bought two years before. Ask me how many of the 2010 Dells are still working? Six. The Mac's still chugging along.
 
Apple may have better market share in the U.S, and that's all they have

They can''t even go report outside the U.S with any stats... That's not a company, that's a liar..

And i hate liars.. :mad:

Time to report globally like all other companies too...

this is so 1980's

Or you could just move to America
 
The only ways Apple can catch up with others are by coming up with cheaper options and getting Corporate acceptance.



This still happens?

I don't think they will ever get corporate acceptance when they do things like solder RAM to motherboards on desktop computers. Not to mention having to take your system to a nerdy, pimple faced geek at the mall to get it fixed.

On the other hand, I am pretty sure Apple does not care for corporate Mac sales.
 
I used to be a PC (not by choice) and replacing them every two years, either some hardware problem or new OS could not handle the older PC.
Not to forget, I have to reimage the PC every year to get rid of junk and bloatware.

I was so frustrated when my expensive HP laptop would crash every 3 months and it was a hardware issue. Did I tell you that it also ran VISTA and corrupted OS during the mandatory security update. I got fusion and migrate to Mac and over a year, migrated the applications too.

Now, my oldest mac, a MBA (i5, 128Gb, 4Gb) is the most heavily used by everyone in the family. Our MBPs are loaded but the 3+ year old MBA with works for everyone except for Photoshop.

The point is that the Macs last long, the OS is robust. There is no need to refresh every couple of years. The batter of My MBA is still good, my $1400 work issued Lenovo need a new battery every year.

The numbers are definitely affected by the fact that people have to buy PCs a lot more often than a Mac. As a user of both the systems, I can tell that Macs are a lot cheaper to own.

If you treat your PC like crap it will be crap.
I installed Vista 64 on my PC in 2008 and if not for a hard drive issue few months ago, I would still be using the same installation. Without any problems requiring fresh installation.
Just stop installing everything under the Sun (ie malware, crapware, god knows what else), make sure to uninstall software before installing a replacement software, etc.

Oh, and while I have stopped using it due to lack of performance, I still have my working laptop from 2002 (Compaq Presario 2716EA) with its original Windows XP installation. Its battery died out about 3 years after I bought it, but guess what, the battery as with 99% of non Apple laptops, is replaceable by the user. As is the hdd and optical drive and memory.
Hell, I can even open a non Apple laptop if I want to clean it from dust and all the crap that gets inside after years of usage. Unfortunately because Apple is going through its anorexic phase and wants to be thinner and thinner and thinner, plus because they rather have you buy a new one than replace one broken part, you cannot do any of them with modern Apple laptops (or desktops now).
That pisses me off.

Apple computers could have been better than they are, with smaller cost too, but they are not. On purpose.
 
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I don't think they will ever get corporate acceptance when they do things like solder RAM to motherboards on desktop computers. Not to mention having to take your system to a nerdy, pimple faced geek at the mall to get it fixed.

On the other hand, I am pretty sure Apple does not care for corporate Mac sales.

The overwhelming number of corporate desktops do not get their ram changed out. That has nothing to do with the lack of Mac penetration in the enterprise. Enterprise generally doesn't care about **** like that. What they do care about is guaranteed level of support and 24/7 service. Apple has never shown any willingness to do that kind of corporate support, which is why their desktops have never gotten much traction there. The few big companies who do deploy Macs get third party support contracts.

If IBM is willing to step up their new support for iOS into Macs as well, we might see more adoption of Macs by enterprise. Until then, it'll be the status quo.
 
I used to be a PC (not by choice) and replacing them every two years, either some hardware problem or new OS could not handle the older PC.
Not to forget, I have to reimage the PC every year to get rid of junk and bloatware.

I was so frustrated when my expensive HP laptop would crash every 3 months and it was a hardware issue. Did I tell you that it also ran VISTA and corrupted OS during the mandatory security update. I got fusion and migrate to Mac and over a year, migrated the applications too.

Now, my oldest mac, a MBA (i5, 128Gb, 4Gb) is the most heavily used by everyone in the family. Our MBPs are loaded but the 3+ year old MBA with works for everyone except for Photoshop.

The point is that the Macs last long, the OS is robust. There is no need to refresh every couple of years. The batter of My MBA is still good, my $1400 work issued Lenovo need a new battery every year.

The numbers are definitely affected by the fact that people have to buy PCs a lot more often than a Mac. As a user of both the systems, I can tell that Macs are a lot cheaper to own.

If all of that is even true, you're treating your computers like crap.
 
I'm on my third iPad since buying my last of computer in 2008. I barely use my computer.

I've been real proud of the fact that I've had my MBA since 2011 (I usually upgrade every year). But perhaps, like you, it's just that I'm doing much more on the iPad and iPhone... And the laptop just isn't as big a deal any more. Unfortunately the iPad still requires the use of the computer from time to time.
 
I'm on my third iPad since buying my last of computer in 2008. I barely use my computer.

Same here (except I'm not the original owner of my Mac), probably for a different reason. My 2008 Mac Pro is still rock solid, so I have no reason to update.
 
The overwhelming number of corporate desktops do not get their ram changed out. That has nothing to do with the lack of Mac penetration in the enterprise. Enterprise generally doesn't care about **** like that. What they do care about is guaranteed level of support and 24/7 service. Apple has never shown any willingness to do that kind of corporate support, which is why their desktops have never gotten much traction there. The few big companies who do deploy Macs get third party support contracts.

If IBM is willing to step up their new support for iOS into Macs as well, we might see more adoption of Macs by enterprise. Until then, it'll be the status quo.

I haven't been in an enterprise that buys 24/7 support for desktops/laptops, but I agree. the support, regardless of what level, is the key to be successful in the enterprise.
If people who buy Apple products are forced to relay on the genius bar, that wont fly at any enterprise, unless they got big pockets and keep a fair share of spare systems for replacement that way fixing broken/failed systems is not a top priority, then it is a different story.
 
Good to see more Mac sales. I fell in love with Macintosh the first time we met. That love is still going strong. There is something about a Mac that cannot be explained. It must be experienced. Macs are fun :)

Occasionally I key in the user account password incorrectly. Mac shakes his head hinting at the error. Windows interrogates me about my memory. Memory is good. Typing is questionable ;)

We have a Windows unit here too. Some tasks are better accomplished with Win.

I love my Mac!
 
Desktops went out in the late 90's sorta, laptops came in, then tablets in, and now larger phones are in. Now I think tablets are going out, laptops might even eventually go out, and desktops come back in, especially with home automation, the cloud, and connected tv's. So skip the tablets unless you want to read in bed, skip laptops unless you're a student or travel for work, and just have a desktop with a nice big screen and a big mouse, a phone with a moderate sized screen, and an apple tv.

You described my setup to a tee! Great minds
 
So Apple grew by a greater percentage rate, but three of the other top five brands still grew by as many or more customers. Still not encouraging.
 
Everyone I know that is getting new computers are getting Macs. I definitely see this number going up in years to come.


My experience is the same. When I am at a place with a public network it is almost all Macs. On rare event I see another brand. Very few. I must live in an area that is very Mac friendly.
 
I want to know what is Apple's US retail market share.
Where can I find this out?

Or even just their U.S. matketshare.
But I want to know the US retail marketshare
 
But don't forget, they're doomed. Experts said so.

/s

Alright, first of all, I don't think they are doomed, but I do think they are climbing down the ladder, but which one?

Doom, what do we mean by that? I think different people talk about Apple's doom or lack thereof from different perspective, often because they have different investments into the company, mostly customer vs. investor.

Investors want more marketshare, more sales, more of all those lovely numbers.

As a customer of Apple however, I really don't give a damn about their growth.
Sure, to some extend it helps a lot. You get more software, you get more friends who might need less tech support or they use the same integrated services, etc...
Sure, it can be nice, but the problem is: From a customer perspective, often it's smart to go with the ones who invest a lot of effort not falling behind, covered by the shadows of the big ones who already have a trusted name.
Not always, but it does happen.

Apple's ethos, at least under Jobs, always been to not cut corners, to only ship what truly will offer a good experience, etc... keysoanxiety explained this really well, so I quoted him further down below.

Why do people buy Apple? Well, I guess I don't have to explain to this community, the bottomline is, with an Apple product - personally - I always felt I got my money's worth, all factors considered.
Rarely the cheapest, but new technology, cutting edge, always found a way in their products and they didn't like compromising on their lines, so many very advanced technologies found their way to what many others usually charged extra for, but at the very least you could freely configure for the most part. (iOS devices are an exception for example)

So yes, my iMac from 2011 is still a powerhouse for what it is.
And lo and behold, until Yosemite it was fairly easy to add an SSD.
Now...


To cut a long story short, they changed a lot. Change is not bad per sé, change is not my argument here.
My point is, of course an investor will want to see the margins grow as well as the marketshare.
As a customer the marketshare growth is less of my concern, until it becomes a problem in either extreme (too few units moved or too many and therefore too powerful in the market), but I certainly don't want them to have extreme margins. As customer it's my "job" to get the most for my money, just like the investor's job is to get the most capital return for his money.
That's all a fair game.

Steve Jobs struck the balance really well.
I don't want to enter the "Steve Jobs would specifically do this differently" game, but it's obvious that he didn't like compromising on the experience, even if it meant costs.
He ordered back iPods shortly before launch, simply because their button press sound didn't sound the way he intended.
Now, that's extreme, but that's the kind of detail Apple became famous for and it's why they have such a remarkably different position in the world of technology.
Even if the anecdote is wrong, which I don't even think is the case, but even then it's still a good metaphor for what definitely isn't in place anymore: the same amount of obsession for perfection and balancing investor vs. customer interests.

I suggest anyone to take a look at a definition of a word they highlight on iOS 7.
iOS 6 UI. Okay. They didn't fix that for a year right?
iOS 8 - same game. 2 major versions and it's STILL the glaring omission.
Look at Yosemite's graphic design bugs. Bugs are bugs, they will be ironed out, but it doesn't help Apple's case.
Look at the many many other instances of lack of obsession: Mac Mini.
Even if you wanted to give Apple a really nice premium on the BTO option of 4 cores, you won't get it.
Wow wait, but you want those core, you have money, they have plenty of 4-core options, what's the holdup?
I and many other forum members have their theory on this, but it doesn't even matter what we think here, and that's not something nice we suspect, but even if it's just an omission without malintent, it's certainly again not helping them in the case of striving for perfection.

Hopefully not. I say hopefully because to gain that sort of marketshare, they'd need some competitively cheap products. Seeing the new low-cost Mac Mini, low-cost iMac, and the outdated non-Retina 13" MacBook Pro, Apple can't do 'low cost' without the quality/performance slipping.

To paraphrase Steve, they don't ship junk. If you're going to offer a low-priced option, ensure it's competitive and that people get the 'Apple experience' that Tim Cook & the rest can't stop talking about. If you can't do quality across the line, don't offer a low-cost option.

Sadly that's not the case.
 
Who cares about market share?

Exactly.

Especially considering the Mac has NEVER had a lot of market share. In 30 years!!!

And yet... Apple sells more than enough Macs to keep them going... there are plenty of developers who make software for Macs (including Mac-only developers)... and there are entire websites devoted to Macs.

All from a platform that had, and still has, a tiny amount of market share.

So I agree... who cares about market share?

It certainly hasn't saved other companies who actually had more market share.
 
Alright, first of all, I don't think they are doomed, but I do think they are climbing down the ladder, but which one?

Doom, what do we mean by that? I think different people talk about Apple's doom or lack thereof from different perspective, often because they have different investments into the company, mostly customer vs. investor.

Investors want more marketshare, more sales, more of all those lovely numbers.

As a customer of Apple however, I really don't give a damn about their growth.
Sure, to some extend it helps a lot. You get more software, you get more friends who might need less tech support or they use the same integrated services, etc...
Sure, it can be nice, but the problem is: From a customer perspective, often it's smart to go with the ones who invest a lot of effort not falling behind, covered by the shadows of the big ones who already have a trusted name.
Not always, but it does happen.

Apple's ethos, at least under Jobs, always been to not cut corners, to only ship what truly will offer a good experience, etc... keysoanxiety explained this really well, so I quoted him further down below.

Why do people buy Apple? Well, I guess I don't have to explain to this community, the bottomline is, with an Apple product - personally - I always felt I got my money's worth, all factors considered.
Rarely the cheapest, but new technology, cutting edge, always found a way in their products and they didn't like compromising on their lines, so many very advanced technologies found their way to what many others usually charged extra for, but at the very least you could freely configure for the most part. (iOS devices are an exception for example)

So yes, my iMac from 2011 is still a powerhouse for what it is.
And lo and behold, until Yosemite it was fairly easy to add an SSD.
Now...


To cut a long story short, they changed a lot. Change is not bad per sé, change is not my argument here.
My point is, of course an investor will want to see the margins grow as well as the marketshare.
As a customer the marketshare growth is less of my concern, until it becomes a problem in either extreme (too few units moved or too many and therefore too powerful in the market), but I certainly don't want them to have extreme margins. As customer it's my "job" to get the most for my money, just like the investor's job is to get the most capital return for his money.
That's all a fair game.

Steve Jobs struck the balance really well.
I don't want to enter the "Steve Jobs would specifically do this differently" game, but it's obvious that he didn't like compromising on the experience, even if it meant costs.
He ordered back iPods shortly before launch, simply because their button press sound didn't sound the way he intended.
Now, that's extreme, but that's the kind of detail Apple became famous for and it's why they have such a remarkably different position in the world of technology.
Even if the anecdote is wrong, which I don't even think is the case, but even then it's still a good metaphor for what definitely isn't in place anymore: the same amount of obsession for perfection and balancing investor vs. customer interests.

I suggest anyone to take a look at a definition of a word they highlight on iOS 7.
iOS 6 UI. Okay. They didn't fix that for a year right?
iOS 8 - same game. 2 major versions and it's STILL the glaring omission.
Look at Yosemite's graphic design bugs. Bugs are bugs, they will be ironed out, but it doesn't help Apple's case.
Look at the many many other instances of lack of obsession: Mac Mini.
Even if you wanted to give Apple a really nice premium on the BTO option of 4 cores, you won't get it.
Wow wait, but you want those core, you have money, they have plenty of 4-core options, what's the holdup?
I and many other forum members have their theory on this, but it doesn't even matter what we think here, and that's not something nice we suspect, but even if it's just an omission without malintent, it's certainly again not helping them in the case of striving for perfection.

TL;DR- Steve Jobs was the best, they're going downhill since he was gone.

They hit record Mac market share in a year that they didn't announce any big Mac updates and sold 10 million iPhones in 1 weekend. I think they're doing ok.
 
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