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The way to buy Macs now is “preowned”

It’s incredible how much they devalue, and how quickly, now

CL and FB are filled with people selling really lightly used and nearly new Macs, for 20-50% off

“Ouch” to those who buy at retail
What are you talking about, Intel Macs? Of course they're devalued now. Unless you have a specific need for x86, no one wants a slow & hot Intel Mac when they can buy something like an M1 Mac Mini which is very cheap without being devalued.
 
because the new MacBook Pro was a terrible update and not worth it; apple stop with the minor updates year after year

I have an opposite situation - my sister's family are looking to replace their old iMac - an old 20" with fusion drive and Intel chip. I've told them to wait until a new version with the new CPU is released, no point in buying a 2 year old system at full price.
 
Yeah. I think haunting Activity Monitor obsessively for signs of "memory pressure" or "disk swap" is a much bigger drain on productivity than anything the 8GB of RAM is doing.

Fact is, virtual memory/swap has nowhere near the overhead it used to back when we were all booting off HDDs. The machine is designed to work this way and it works just fine, especially with the very fast SSDs that Macs come with now.

If you're a computer hobbyist, I guess by all means monitor those stats -- but don't fool yourself into thinking that stuff is relevant to normal users just trying to get actual work done.
Normal users don't edit 4K videos so far I am concerned.
 
Uhh how is this the fault of your Mac?
These memory problems don't arise when I use my Windows machines (Adobe Acrobat with 8 or so documents open and MS Outlook with access to same email accounts). Is it poor software design by Adobe or Microsoft or something in Apple's design that causes the problem? Don't know. Or maybe the issue is I don't have any Windows machines with 256gb of storage; all have more and all of the machines (both laptop and desktops) can be easily upgraded to have more storage space.
 
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Is it poor software design by Adobe or Microsoft or something in Apple's design that causes the problem?
Do you really have to ask this question? Adobe software has always been complete garbage on MacOS (and to a lesser extent, garbage in general). Apple has absolutely nothing to do with the problem. You should compare to non-Adobe software on Mac, not Adobe software on Windows. Best thing to do, is never use Adobe products.
 
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With the skipped year and the vast improvements, too many of their customers bought in on the m1 generation. It will be a challenge for apple to stretch even out their customers buying cycles again. Maybe this is why we haven't seen bigger iMacs yet, because they want the demand to be there.
 
I do not believe those rumors for one second, they make absolutely no sense. But whatever chip the Studio gets next, that's what I'm waiting for.

It's plausible to me that Mac Studio/Mac Pro will be updated in a tick-tock manner. M1 Mac Studio, M2 Mac Pro, M3 Mac Studio, etc. This way, they save some of the design costs on models that will never be high-volume.

(See also: iPhone SE, which only gets updated every 2-4 years.)

What's harder for me to grasp is what the Mac Pro is actually going to be.

If it's like the 2019, that requires interesting changes to the SoC design. Maybe allowing for heterogenous memory. Maybe allowing for a discrete GPU.

If it's like the 2013, it avoids those issues, but what would the point of that be? The Mac Studio already exists.
 
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You'll need some Cloud subscription, you need a payment service/payment provider that allows mobile payment. In the future you will also need some kind of ChatGPT support. People will also have some kind of music service. Apple development makes no sense if you sell the App exactly one time - subscriptions are the ways to got.

Apple could bring their ApplePay service to other devices like a Garmin Smartwatch. Roll out the existing services to as many platforms as possible. Apple has one product - the iPhone. If this product fails someday (e.g. caused by missing AI functionality) or the sales experience a heavy breakdown.
The day after a trillion dollar company will be history and it will be a sub trillion dollar company again. And without the cashcow, custom Chip development will be questionable, since it is expensive, not to mention lots of other things that will break, too. An insane and huge circle shaped office? Expensive as hell - but what is the value? Apple was once known for small teams that created great products/value. You don't need this kind of monstrosity.
Yes the basics like iCloud and perhaps for many Apple Music will be an essential expenditure, other things are more of a luxury. Apple Pay transaction fees are factored into the price of the product you’re paying for, it's an invisible cost. It was just an opportunity for Apple to offer a feature that would be addictively useful to keep people from switching at that time and to fix insecure payments in the US. The money they make from those fees relies on a healthy economy and for people to spend. For now the iPhone and Apple Watch aren’t going anywhere and Apple has no real reason to support third-party devices regarding Apple Pay.

In regard to ChatGPT, Apple doesn't tend to get into something in a big way unless they control the main technology behind it. We'll see where it goes and if Siri will adapt and add something similar to this as a feature and if not there will be other ways to access it on Apple devices.

I feel like your argument against that building is a case of knowing the cost of everything but the value of nothing. That building was intentionally designed to foster a culture of casual collaboration, there is a reason Tim is trying to get people back in more frequently. While I sympathise with employees who want to spend more time with their families or for economic and other quality of life factors, but spending some time with your peers creates moments where interesting things can happen.
 
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Adobe and Microsoft have a long track history of sucking on Macs, so that's your answer.

Try opening your PDFs in Preview and see if you run into the same issue.
Adobe isn’t the greatest on Windows either. After Effects and Premiere Pro failed to work on my AMD 5700xt graphics card. Other users reported the same problem. It just crashed on startup on the apps.
 
It's plausible to me that Mac Studio/Mac Pro will be updated in a tick-tock manner. M1 Mac Studio, M2 Mac Pro, M3 Mac Studio, etc. This way, they save some of the design costs on models that will never be high-volume.

(See also: iPhone SE, which only gets updated every 2-4 years.)

What's harder for me to grasp is what the Mac Pro is actually going to be.

If it's like the 2019, that requires interesting changes to the SoC design. Maybe allowing for heterogenous memory. Maybe allowing for a discrete GPU.

If it's like the 2013, it avoids those issues, but what would the point of that be? The Mac Studio already exists.
I think the Mac Pro rumors are extremely weak and could easily be misinterpretations of what's going on at Apple. For all we know the "M2 Ultra Mac Pro" could just be a new Mac Studio. I don't doubt that they have been trying come up with a machine to fully replace the old Mac Pro, but that doesn't necessarily mean what we've heard about has anything to do with that... nor does it sound like it would achieve it anyway.
 
Adobe isn’t the greatest on Windows either. After Effects and Premiere Pro failed to work on my AMD 5700xt graphics card. Other users reported the same problem. It just crashed on startup on the apps.
Horrible.

I spend the bulk of my work week in Illustrator and InDesign on M1 Macs, and while they DO consume a lot of resources they're generally quite stable on the Mac these days. (I probably just jixed myself lol)
 
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This is the usual Apple problem: Prior hardware is so good that it will take years for M1 owners to feel that they must upgrade. Same thing with phones and iPads. I upgrade my phones ( rather, forced to upgrade my phones) because Apple stops supporting them or app developers jump onto new OS, giving up on the installed base. I swear I can still use my iPhone 4 or 6 or 7 or X (on 12 mini now) if my most relevant apps could still work, never mind, perform. Apple's hardware is rock solid (most times), and it is a damn shame that they force us to use new gadgets via a software route. I am still on the last Intel MacBook Pro and don't feel that I am missing much (battery life is not a constraint for me).
 
This is the usual Apple problem: Prior hardware is so good that it will take years for M1 owners to feel that they must upgrade. Same thing with phones and iPads. I upgrade my phones ( rather, forced to upgrade my phones) because Apple stops supporting them or app developers jump onto new OS, giving up on the installed base. I swear I can still use my iPhone 4 or 6 or 7 or X (on 12 mini now) if my most relevant apps could still work, never mind, perform. Apple's hardware is rock solid (most times), and it is a damn shame that they force us to use new gadgets via a software route. I am still on the last Intel MacBook Pro and don't feel that I am missing much (battery life is not a constraint for me).
Your first point is a good one. I have an M1 Mini and Macbook Air, and they perform so well that I won't have a need for anything new until they wear out.
 
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Only if you don’t care about quality, reliability, cooling, and a decent OS. Windows has grown to be far more horrible than many of the previous versions.
All of the above are just as good as Mac these days. Metal enclosures etc are pretty common now.

I was pleasantly surprised how much Windows has improved since I last used it.
 
"No one whose needs are less than mine should be served."
Everyone’s needs would be better served with an actual useable spec as a base offering.

1TB SSD with 16GB RAM should be the base model of any Mac model and be priced as such.

8GB of RAM was common practice 4-5 years ago. It’s a joke such a model even exists today.

As for storage sizes they’ve gone backwards. Shrinking over time.

If 256GB SSD and 8GB RAM models are going to be the base model then current prices need to be dropped by at least £500 to make it worth what it actually is.
 
And yet they could on a machine with 8GB of RAM, as another commenter here said he's doing.
Be a terrible and frustrating experience to do so.

M2 chip and 8GB RAM MBA couldn’t even handle exporting some photos from the Photos library to desktop.

Hate to imagine how angry editing 4K on it would have been.
 
Be a terrible and frustrating experience to do so.

M2 chip and 8GB RAM MBA couldn’t even handle exporting some photos from the Photos library to desktop.

Hate to imagine how angry editing 4K on it would have been.
Lol I've had an 8GB Mac Mini with 256 SSD since 2020 when they came out. While I am ready to buy a new Mac with more RAM and SSD (waiting on the Studio to be updated hopefully), I've had no issues with my computer functioning. I simply do not believe you that you can't export photos to the desktop lol. The swap on these things is so fast it's hard to tell where RAM ends and SSD begins. I've done just about everything with it, including editing video, running Stable Diffusion, audio stuff, programming, etc. Yes more RAM would be nice and would greatly improve performance, but it's pure fiction that an M1 Mac with 8GB is crippled and useless.

If I had known this computer would be so good that it would become my main machine, I would have bought it with 16GB... but I didn't and it's not holding me back enough to buy something new before the Studio gets updated.
 
Everyone’s needs would be better served with an actual useable spec as a base offering.

1TB SSD with 16GB RAM should be the base model of any Mac model and be priced as such.

8GB of RAM was common practice 4-5 years ago. It’s a joke such a model even exists today.

As for storage sizes they’ve gone backwards. Shrinking over time.

If 256GB SSD and 8GB RAM models are going to be the base model then current prices need to be dropped by at least £500 to make it worth what it actually is.

The base option is useable for most people. You're just wrong about that. If you want to argue the price should be less, that's another thing.
 
Lol I've had an 8GB Mac Mini with 256 SSD since 2020 when they came out. While I am ready to buy a new Mac with more RAM and SSD (waiting on the Studio to be updated hopefully), I've had no issues with my computer functioning. I simply do not believe you that you can't export photos to the desktop lol. The swap on these things is so fast it's hard to tell where RAM ends and SSD begins. I've done just about everything with it, including editing video, running Stable Diffusion, audio stuff, programming, etc. Yes more RAM would be nice and would greatly improve performance, but it's pure fiction that an M1 Mac with 8GB is crippled and useless.

If I had known this computer would be so good that it would become my main machine, I would have bought it with 16GB... but I didn't and it's not holding me back enough to buy something new before the Studio gets updated.
Customers buying under-specced computers in error is quite a common thing which is why Apple should increase the base to 16GB RAM and 1TB of storage. These things should be lasting users for longer and this Dickensian approach of you’ll get the bare minimum and like it is really not good especially on systems that cannot be upgraded and will have a shorter lifespan with fewer second hand buyers that can make that spec work for them.

The fact you are already waiting to buy a new Mac because you have outgrown that one due to RAM and storage capacity limitations says everything.
 
Customers buying under-specced computers in error is quite a common thing which is why Apple should increase the base to 16GB RAM and 1TB of storage. These things should be lasting users for longer and this Dickensian approach of you’ll get the bare minimum and like it is really not good especially on systems that cannot be upgraded and will have a shorter lifespan with fewer second hand buyers that can make that spec work for them.

The fact you are already waiting to buy a new Mac because you have outgrown that one due to RAM and storage capacity limitations says everything.
Well, I wish we could go back to upgradable RAM and storage, but I also bought the base model because I didn't know it would be such a good computer that would make me want to switch back to MacOS from Linux as my primary machine. I was basically just curious about trying out an ARM-based Mac. I could buy an M1 Mac Studio right now but I think it would be a mistake if an M2 model comes out this year.

I don't think it's bad we have super low specced models for people who don't want to spend as much, they still function fine for people who don't push them too hard. I could also sell my machine and just buy a better specced used one if it was a big problem.
 
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