Yeah, the possibility that the new Mac Pro is just going to be a Mac Studio in a bigger, older chassis is ridiculous (but also disappointing enough to be true?)
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Apple Halted M2 Chip Production in January Amid 'Plummeting' Mac Sales
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Yeah, the possibility that the new Mac Pro is just going to be a Mac Studio in a bigger, older chassis is ridiculous (but also disappointing enough to be true?)
Apple is use to making a certain amount of money each year. The problem is the pc market is slowing down. 20 years ago you might buy a new pc or at least buy upgrades every year but those days are over. The technological advances are slowing down. Apple needs to adjust their expectations. If they don’t then they are going to have high development costs with lower returns.
Weird. It's almost like the cost of the goods in countries all around the world seems to be going up. I wonder if there's a word for this strange phenomenon.
Mac sales are down because where is the value to purchasing one. The price is so out of touch with the perceived value of the devices now. I can easily purchase all of apple stuff but choose not to because it is grossly overpriced. I chose to purchase the Windows developer kit 2023 than an iMac or MacBook because the price and value was unmatched for all I was getting. Paying a lot more for perceived speed upgrades and completing a task a little faster is not worth the added cost. For what my little developer kit has at a standard price point is a couple upgrade/+$200 each clicks when trying to purchase any computer from apple.
Same here. I could use more SSD space on this M1 Air, but otherwise it will happily chomp away at big Illustrator files and productivity apps all day long -- all on the 8GB of RAM it has. Great reminder that the tech geek echo chamber doesn't really reflect the reality of a lot of users.
To be fair, those "Plummeting Mac sales" are down by 5%.
And the other PC computer vendors are down by even more.
This seems to be in a large part due to a bigger macroeconomic issue than problems with Apple’s line.
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Sounds like you actually wasted your money by trying to save money. Lol.
I was really hoping Microsoft and their partners would be further along with a move to ARM but it feels like there is no momentum to change from x86 to that unless they are going to all go open-source and use RISCV.
That being said you do get a lot for the developer kit in regard to RAM and the larger SSD and you are right upgrading a mac is expensive and regardless of the orthodox mac users perspective that I should like 8GB of RAM and be happy with it. I don't think it's an appropriate entry-level config in 2023 under tougher economic circumstances that means I will be stuck with it for far longer, longer, longer.
Glad someone else posts like this. Like you said its all pretty much an echo chamber where you need even 16GB of RAM to even turn the computer on.
Not good. I guess that's what happens when the M2 was basically the M1.1
Maybe Apple is going back to their model category of higher tier systems instead of “a computer in every home” Microsoft. The hint was the luxurious watch mentality.
Apple becomes high end purchases. If you want it, either pay for it or go with lesser PC offerings. Some don’t want cheap technology, but decent quality and will pay for it.
Apple does not need to cheapen their products so many many buyers or allowed to buy or an everyone social mentality…they are a business in it to make money. PCs are for those that want general economy prices technology.
Apple..Continue with quality that lasts. Do they always do this? No..but generally “Yes”. I have EVERY Apple product I have ever bought going way back and it still works, still can be used even today if desired. The many PCs I have had…No..the only one I still have is a Sony Vaio laptop when Sony owned the brand…great Laptops too at the time.
I went to a few computer stores recently and checked out the PCs and quality compared to Apple. Most that come close to Apple are the same price or more expensive, but even then the PCs don’t compare to the quality of Apple. Microsoft’s actual offerings are the same price and more for their laptops.
I think Apple prices are a bit too high..but reviewing equivalent PCs, Apple is still in the price range (generally) of quality PCs. PCs just offer cheaper options that you will get rid of in three years. Apple’s offerings can last longer if you choose (not talking about the OS, just the hardware).
Not good for Apple to have declining Mac sales. New Macs with M3 chips along the the upcoming 15" Air should help increase sales.
For a long time (2000 - 2012ish) I'd try to have the latest and greatest - a build to order system with the lowest spec possible RAM and storage then immediately upgrade with my own parts. Cant do that anymore and Apple's upgrade pricing is *absurd*. Not to mention you cant fix anything in them anymore. Significantly reduced my incentivization in upgrading and I've now hit a hard wall with 2018-2019 hardware for software compatibility reasons.
The Macbook segment is saturated. Look at a neglected segment like desktop (Mini to Pro).
Bring in some fresh thinkers with enthusiasm.
Make a machine that wins on performance, looks (MacPro), upgradability and cost.
Upgradability can make expensive systems affordable (justifiable).
And an affordable separate monitor can last many years.
Use M power to run Windows emulation.
You can see there’s a market, as rumours mentioning Mac Pro get lots of hits.
Bring in some fresh thinkers with enthusiasm.
Make a machine that wins on performance, looks (MacPro), upgradability and cost.
Upgradability can make expensive systems affordable (justifiable).
And an affordable separate monitor can last many years.
Use M power to run Windows emulation.
You can see there’s a market, as rumours mentioning Mac Pro get lots of hits.
I know. I wasn't serious. The reason I wrote that is he told me I should get a better job when I mentioned I thought the MacBook Pro were a bit overpriced:
Only if you don’t care about quality, reliability, cooling, and a decent OS. Windows has grown to be far more horrible than many of the previous versions.
Oh let's not forget about the downgraded iMac. (Shudder, horror!). That was the purchase that I wanted and needed.. that I just couldn't buy witha good conscience. No way I was going from a 27 to 24. How could they just kill the 27-in iMac like that? And still no answer on whether they even going to make another one. Because they'd rather sell you a computer at the same price with no screen no keyboard or nothing else so you can have a high chance at buying it from them instead. I hate hate hate apples sales practices..
If there's one Mac machine with the specs that's stuck in time and was just a bad deal overall, it's that one. The machine itself was nicely designed, but Apple's design decisions regarding size and expandability just wrecked it.
That said..My 2013 iMac is still running mohave on a hybrid 3tb drive. That means I can still run my CS6 master suite if my modern Adobe subscription blows up or has some crazy error. I've loved all of my Max, but this one is just been the greatest Mac purchase ever. I'm still doing client work on it in the OS runs great.
Well maybe when they introduce their next 27-in I can help them out with their finances lol.I know they're going to make a decent setup version cost $3,000 anyways. Grrrrrargrhrhr.
If there's one Mac machine with the specs that's stuck in time and was just a bad deal overall, it's that one. The machine itself was nicely designed, but Apple's design decisions regarding size and expandability just wrecked it.
That said..My 2013 iMac is still running mohave on a hybrid 3tb drive. That means I can still run my CS6 master suite if my modern Adobe subscription blows up or has some crazy error. I've loved all of my Max, but this one is just been the greatest Mac purchase ever. I'm still doing client work on it in the OS runs great.
Well maybe when they introduce their next 27-in I can help them out with their finances lol.I know they're going to make a decent setup version cost $3,000 anyways. Grrrrrargrhrhr.
You'll need some Cloud subscription, you need a payment service/payment provider that allows mobile payment. In the future you will also need some kind of ChatGPT support. People will also have some kind of music service. Apple development makes no sense if you sell the App exactly one time - subscriptions are the ways to got.
Apple could bring their ApplePay service to other devices like a Garmin Smartwatch. Roll out the existing services to as many platforms as possible. Apple has one product - the iPhone. If this product fails someday (e.g. caused by missing AI functionality) or the sales experience a heavy breakdown.
The day after a trillion dollar company will be history and it will be a sub trillion dollar company again. And without the cashcow, custom Chip development will be questionable, since it is expensive, not to mention lots of other things that will break, too. An insane and huge circle shaped office? Expensive as hell - but what is the value? Apple was once known for small teams that created great products/value. You don't need this kind of monstrosity.
Just smart enough to not be a fool with money. You can go back to your echo chamber now.
I still think pricing is the main issue, but the slow rollout of M2 products must be a big factor too.
Splitting the MacBook Air range between M1 and M2 versions probably depressed M2 demand compared to the original M1 launch (plus all the other factors like M1 satisfying pent up demand and pricing/the recession).
And the rest of the M2 range is still unfinished, with no M2 iMac or Studio (and the M2 14/16 MBPs seeming to come out later than planned).
You can't really expect high demand when some of the biggest selling products (iMac / base MBA) don't use it!
Splitting the MacBook Air range between M1 and M2 versions probably depressed M2 demand compared to the original M1 launch (plus all the other factors like M1 satisfying pent up demand and pricing/the recession).
And the rest of the M2 range is still unfinished, with no M2 iMac or Studio (and the M2 14/16 MBPs seeming to come out later than planned).
You can't really expect high demand when some of the biggest selling products (iMac / base MBA) don't use it!
Me too!!!
Yeah, I bought one, Studio Max, 64G RAM, 2TB SSD. Ouch I say now. And all I'm doing with it is it's handling some server like duties and Windows on Arm testing. Monitor support sucks if you don't buy the Apple monitor, and I'm one of the "lucky" ones with the whine.
I missed the x86 VM's, so I went and bought a refurbed iMac 5K, added RAM to it, and am ever so much happier now.
I'd probably replace the Studio with a 14" M1 Max MBP if I could trade in the studio for enough money. I wish the notch weren't there, but at least I can set the screen to cut off that part so I wont see it.
Yeah. I think haunting Activity Monitor obsessively for signs of "memory pressure" or "disk swap" is a much bigger drain on productivity than anything the 8GB of RAM is doing.
Fact is, virtual memory/swap has nowhere near the overhead it used to back when we were all booting off HDDs. The machine is designed to work this way and it works just fine, especially with the very fast SSDs that Macs come with now.
If you're a computer hobbyist, I guess by all means monitor those stats -- but don't fool yourself into thinking that stuff is relevant to normal users just trying to get actual work done.
The way to buy Macs now is “preowned”
It’s incredible how much they devalue, and how quickly, now
CL and FB are filled with people selling really lightly used and nearly new Macs, for 20-50% off
“Ouch” to those who buy at retail
It’s incredible how much they devalue, and how quickly, now
CL and FB are filled with people selling really lightly used and nearly new Macs, for 20-50% off
“Ouch” to those who buy at retail