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256GB with 8GB is already outdated as soon as you receive it.
Yep for most people, even if people from this forum says otherwise.

8/256 is only gonna work if you use Facebook and read your email, and maybe open a small XML or doc file.
 
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Welcome to the world of AMD, AMD's software sucks, period, I have more issues with AMD than intel/Nvidia.
It's why I went back to NVIDIA. And this happened at THE WORST TIME. Where you couldn't get ANY GPUs. It was almost to the point where I just had to bite the bullet for a GTX 1060 at $360. But my Macs picked up the slack.
 
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Lol what on earth are you talking about. Apple is ahead of Intel and AMD, and Qualcomm ARM chips are a joke. As long as M3 is as impressive as we hope, Apple will continue to dominate. Qualcomm can't even catch up to M1.
Not any more. Intel and AMD smoke M2 chips in some areas.
 
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Intels latest i9 chips beat Apple Silicon.

Also Apple has no answer to an Nvidia 4000 series GPU

Combine a PC with those two on board and it beats any Apple configuration.
It depends on the area. I have an i9 13th gen and a 4090. But my Macs still beat out during video editing since we have specialized encoders on the M* processors. After Effects is a bit better on my Mac too, it seems to render my video with a lot of plugin use much faster than my Windows PC does.

In some areas though you are right i9 and 4090 is better than the Mac.
 
It's why I went back to NVIDIA. And this happened at THE WORST TIME. Where you couldn't get ANY GPUs. It was almost to the point where I just had to bite the bullet for a GTX 1060 at $360. But my Macs picked up the slack.
I was in a similar situation, I upgraded my old 1050 ti with a 6400, is faster yes, but the drivers suck, no VRR or 10 bit on Smart TVs, now I'm waiting for a 4050 to replace that bugged card.
 
You can get a laptop with a bigger battery, or a Windows ARM laptop.

The screen you can get a laptop with 120+ Hz, or 4k resolution.
I don't care how big the battery is. I don't think there there's any Windows laptop available that will last as long as my 16" M1 MBP.

Screens are also not just about hz and resolution, but also color reproduction.

I mostly agree with your point, but there are some things that Apple beats everyone else on. If those things are important to a buyer, then they don't have any other choice. For example, I rarely wish my computer was faster, but now that I have had a taste of longer battery life, I want a MBP that can go for days on a charge.
 
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It depends on the area. I have an i9 13th gen and a 4090. But my Macs still beat out during video editing since we have specialized encoders on the M* processors. After Effects is a bit better on my Mac too, it seems to render my video with a lot of plugin use much faster than my Windows PC does.

In some areas though you are right i9 and 4090 is better than the Mac.
That's a pretty rare, unique case, just by numbers, everybody knows (except some guys in this forum) that a core i9 13 gen with a 4090 will smoke a mac in pretty much everything, specially macs M2 SSDs, a Samsung 990 Pro for example.
 
I was in a similar situation, I upgraded my old 1050 ti with a 6400, is faster yes, but the drivers suck, no VRR or 10 bit on Smart TVs, now I'm waiting for a 4050 to replace that bugged card.
I tried AMD processors not that long ago, since early days of Ryzen when people were saying they are DESTROYING Intel!!! Yet, I faced the USB not working issue. Never....ever...again. Intel and NVIDIA will stay with me for my Windows PCs.
 
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That's a pretty rare, unique case, just by numbers, everybody knows (except some guys in this forum) that a core i9 13 gen with a 4090 will smoke a mac in pretty much everything, specially macs M2 SSDs, a Samsung 990 Pro for example.
Video editing is a rare unique case? Surprising to me
 
I don't care how big the battery is. I don't think there there's any Windows laptop available that will last as long as my 16" M1 MBP.

Screens are also not just about hz and resolution, but also color reproduction.

I mostly agree with your point, but there are some things that Apple beats everyone else on. If those things are important to a buyer, then they don't have any other choice. For example, I rarely wish my computer was faster, but now that I have had a taste of longer battery life, I want a MBP that can go for days on a charge.

Colors, you can get a way way better monitor for colors (microled, oled, etc), for PCs but anyways back to the topic, apple's selling point or M1/M2/MX is that, their battery efficiency, nothing else.
 
I don't care how big the battery is. I don't think there there's any Windows laptop available that will last as long as my 16" M1 MBP.

Screens are also not just about hz and resolution, but also color reproduction.

I mostly agree with your point, but there are some things that Apple beats everyone else on. If those things are important to a buyer, then they don't have any other choice. For example, I rarely wish my computer was faster, but now that I have had a taste of longer battery life, I want a MBP that can go for days on a charge.
All advantages and disadvantages. This is why I have Windows, Macs and Linux systems. Macs are the majority for me, but I have Windows systems for some special cases and of course gaming. They all have strengths. It doesn't provide any benefits to be loyal or a fanboy to anything.
 
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I tried AMD processors not that long ago, since early days of Ryzen when people were saying they are DESTROYING Intel!!! Yet, I faced the USB not working issue. Never....ever...again. Intel and NVIDIA will stay with me for my Windows PCs.
Same for me, Intel + Nvidia + Microsoft.
 
All advantages and disadvantages. This is why I have Windows, Macs and Linux systems. Macs are the majority for me, but I have Windows systems for some special cases and of course gaming. They all have strengths. It doesn't provide any benefits to be loyal or a fanboy to anything.
Totally agree with you, being a fan boy or a specific operating system is nuts.
 
Totally agree with you, being a fan boy or a specific operating system is nuts.
I am far more interested in Macs, I do prefer macOS over Windows. But I still enjoy the other side of things too. While I have had major frustrations with Windows lately, more so than all macOS versions combined, I still like Windows 11 and looking forward to hopping on 12 when possible.
 
Don't think After Effects + Trapcode Particular is rare. Its one of the most common plugins I have heard for After Effects.
My point is, that using that plugin + after effects, is an unique/rare way in where a mac can have a better performance than an Intel core i9 13 gen with a 4090.
 
My point is, that using that plugin + after effects, is an unique/rare way in where a mac can have a better performance than an Intel core i9 13 gen with a 4090.
Well like I said, that's not the only advantage. Final Cut Pro is greater than Adobe Premiere and Davinci Resolve on Windows. Davinci is better on macOS than Windows too.
 
Agree, some people don't get that apple can't compete with powerful CPUs/GPUs.
Some people don't know the difference between "can't" and "won't". All the examples given of PC hardware beating Apple silicon Macs are not fair comparisons. The M-series ARM chips are objectively better than anything in the x86 world, but Apple has an obsession with low power consumption and size. In order for PCs to beat the current Macs in performance, you need 1000+ watt power supplies and crazy coolers. Nvidia GPUs are bigger than a Mac Mini now.

Apple can certainly compete will all that craziness if they wanted, but it's completely opposite where they want the company to go. x86 is dying, being kept alive by PC gamers for now.
 
Some people don't know the difference between "can't" and "won't". All the examples given of PC hardware beating Apple silicon Macs are not fair comparisons. The M-series ARM chips are objectively better than anything in the x86 world, but Apple has an obsession with low power consumption and size. In order for PCs to beat the current Macs in performance, you need 1000+ watt power supplies and crazy coolers. Nvidia GPUs are bigger than a Mac Mini now.

Apple can certainly compete will all that craziness if they wanted, but it's completely opposite where they want the company to go. x86 is dying, being kept alive by PC gamers for now.
I know it won't happen, because it's not Apple's way as you say. But I really wish we would see a 500/1000 watt Apple Silicon Mac Pro. Just pull out all the stops. Shut people up Apple, just pump power in it and make it out perform every single product out there.
 
I know it won't happen, because it's not Apple's way as you say. But I really wish we would see a 500/1000 watt Apple Silicon Mac Pro. Just pull out all the stops. Shut people up Apple, just pump power in it and make it out perform every single product out there.
I honestly have no idea what they are going to do about the Mac Pro. The rumors are garbage, so we'll just have to wait and see... but I wouldn't be surprised if they just discontinued it in favor of a more powerful Mac Studio.
 
I honestly have no idea what they are going to do about the Mac Pro. The rumors are garbage, so we'll just have to wait and see... but I wouldn't be surprised if they just discontinued it in favor of a more powerful Mac Studio.
There are also rumors that the Mac Studio is one and done so who knows what is happening. Mac Studio never got M2 so it's more than likely Studio is done. Apple stated Mac Pro will be updated.
 
There are also rumors that the Mac Studio is one and done so who knows what is happening. Mac Studio never got M2 so it's more than likely Studio is done. Apple stated Mac Pro will be updated.
Those stupid rumors are part of the same stupid Mac Pro rumors. There is absolutely no way the Mac Studio is discontinued, and it hasn't even been that long yet since the M1 version came out. If they updated it to M2 this year it would basically be on a typical Apple refresh schedule.

Just because Apple said they will update the Mac Pro doesn't mean they actually will. If it's really true (it isn't) that they can't come up with something that goes far beyond the capabilities of the Studio, I'm pretty sure they would just change their minds and discontinue the Pro and go with the Studio instead, as it fits in with their low power small size philosophy. Plus there's not that many reasons for PCie cards anymore without GPU support.
 
Those stupid rumors are part of the same stupid Mac Pro rumors. There is absolutely no way the Mac Studio is discontinued, and it hasn't even been that long yet since the M1 version came out. If they updated it to M2 this year it would basically be on a typical Apple refresh schedule.

Just because Apple said they will update the Mac Pro doesn't mean they actually will. If it's really true (it isn't) that they can't come up with something that goes far beyond the capabilities of the Studio, I'm pretty sure they would just change their minds and discontinue the Pro and go with the Studio instead, as it fits in with their low power small size philosophy. Plus there's not that many reasons for PCie cards anymore without GPU support.
That would mean the death of the Mac as we know it. They already made that massive mistake back in 2013 with the Trash Can Mac Pro. To the point where as much as a public company could, apologized for the situation they got us in. It caused a lot of pros to leave the Mac market back then.
 
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That would mean the death of the Mac as we know it. They already made that massive mistake back in 2013 with the Trash Can Mac Pro. To the point where as much as a public company could, apologized for the situation they got us in. It caused a lot of pros to leave the Mac market back then.
Not at all. The days of giant computer towers are mostly behind us. The PC world is only sustained by gamers at this point.

The Mac Pro has basically been dead ever since the M1, and the Mac is doing better than ever. The question is, will Apple bring back the Mac Pro, or let it stay dead.
 
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