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Apple Halting Mac Component Orders Due to Overestimated Demand?

xVeinx said:
Expense aside, the interconnects (such as USB) made external storage much more prohibitive in the past. Firewire helped for sure, but USB3 and Thunderbolt now make external drive access reasonable. I imagine in Apple's mind, they believed that they could reasonably drop the HD and ODD for flash which ought to be more durable, reliable, and drop the weight of the laptop. Thin is one thing, but the weight was the biggest determining factor in my opinion. Dropping the weight of the 15 in rMBP was a big deal for people on the go. I understand your point. Having plenty of storage on a laptop is important for professionals (or anyone with lots of stuff on their drive) who take their work with them. Carrying around an extra drive is an annoyance. I'm sure that they've collected usage statistics on people's laptops though. I wouldn't even be surprised if they had the techs log the space used in macs brought in for repair. If a vast majority of people are only using some 50-75 Gb max, then the shift to SSD at 128/256 Gb doesn't seem all that unreasonable. The hard part is when you don't fit in that category of course...
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Thanks for the reply, you make some really god points I hadn't thought of, about the weight of the device and the usage scenarios apple must have tracked.
 
frabber said:
Well, lower prices and sell more.

I am not saying Apple products are overpriced, but these are still economic downtimes and for some time to come too.

Most of the people I know with good salary cannot or are not willing to buy expensive apple laptops.. There are other things that rank higher on the list.
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Lowering prices means lowering margins which means upsetting Wall Street which means lower stock value which means lower market cap which means...
 
a0me said:
You're sure about the 16GB RAM? The spec sheet seems to indicate that it only supports up to 8GB. http://support.apple.com/kb/SP583
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The problem here is that Apple always tests their computers with the largest chips that are available at the time the computer ships for the first time (sometimes with the largest chips available at a reasonable price), and then they never update the specs. Doesn't mean that 16 GB doesn't work, it means Apple has never tested it.
 
gnasher729 said:
Not again.

Apple cannot possibly buy all outstanding shares.

If Apple bought 999,999,900 of the 1,000,000,000 million outstanding shares, each remaining share would be one percent of Apple and worth $4,000,000,000. If they bought the next 20 shares for four billion each, there would be 80 shares left, each worth $5,000,000,000. The penultimate share would cost $200 billion. And the last share - well, Apple can't buy it, because the guy who owns the last share would be the sole owner of Apple. Next share holder meeting would be in a tiny room between that person and Tim Cook, and he or she would tell Tim Cook exactly what to do.
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It doesn't work like that.

If you own a 1% stake in Apple and the other 99% of shares were bought back by Apple, you would still only own a 1% stake in Apple.
 
gnasher729 said:
Well, they didn't. They sell two different products: Retina MacBook Pro and MacBook Pro. If you want 2 TB in a MacBook Pro, no problem. If you want 1.25 GB Fusion Drive in a MacBook Pro, no problem. Retina MBP is great for many people, just not for everybody. Do you complain that a Ferrari doesn't have space for a family of four with luggage? Plus a dog? You don't, you buy a car that is better suited. And Apple sells laptops that are better for some than the Retina MBP.
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The ferrari analogy is plain silly. Let me ask you this though? Why is there an odd in the plain macbook pro? If apple are so against odd, why don't hey offer an hd + ssd configuration? Do I have to mod the damn thing? That's point a. Point b: Why is the glass still not laminated to the display on the cmbp?

To me it seems there are two devices, one that's been seriously compromised in specs, upgradeability, soldering of rams, you name it, which is the flaghship and the most expensive, yet still the ui arguably lags and the screens are a lottery for image retention. And an also run, that, forget the redesign, they didn't bother to upgrade to modern standards, such as dual hd-ssd instead of odd and laminated glass on the display, the main longstanding complaint about the device.

Now sure enough apple gives me options, yet on both sides the options I have are rather poor. That's all I am saying.
 
gnasher729 said:
Ahem. Are you sure about that? iOS apps still have three times more revenue than Android apps. Most Android phones are used as dumb phones by people who are never going to spend a penny on apps, and developers know that.

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So which laptop beats Retina MBP 15" specs at lower price? It's all very easy making unproven claim, but give us the evidence. When I checked, Dell was more expensive for the same specs (not counting that they didn't dare mentioning battery life, and weight). And while the thinness isn't important when it's on my desk, when you sit on your sofa the difference between 15" and Retina 15" is night and day, same when you are on a cheap flight and would have to pay extra if your luggage is too heavy.




These touchpads mimic the one of the MacBook in the way they look. There is none that works like the one on the MBP (that is once you go into System Preferences and set it up correctly ). Apart from the ergonomic problems of a laptop with touchscreen (google for "gorilla arm") that make touch screens just an expensive gimmick, the MBP touchpad gives it all the potential advantages that a touch screen might have if humans didn't have dirty fingers and arms that are designed to hang down.
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Did you read the word "desktop" in my post?

Also, do I really have to post what notebooks are better than the RMBP 15"?
Asus, Gateway, Lenovo and MSI. Take a look at their websites.

PC manufacturers aren't only DELL and HP, don't forget that.
 
davidcmc said:
Also, do I really have to post what notebooks are better than the RMBP 15"?
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For what it is, there aren't any. There are more powerful notebooks out there, but they weigh 3 times as much and are as thick as 3-4 rMBPs stacked on one another. :/
 
Initially expensive but very good long term customer care has to be factored in, well in my experience!
 
Ugh, sad to see Apple keep sliding downward into this rut. Although I suppose Steve's energy could only outlast his presence so long.
 
The iMacs are too expensive for what you get. Plain and simple. I hate to say that as a long time Mac user, but they really priced themselves out the market with the late-2012's.
 
Mullerman said:
Initially expensive but very good long term customer care has to be factored in, well in my experience!
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Hmm, all my Thinkpads had 3 years of world-wide on-site support (next business day) for about 160$.

How much is Apple Care ? Will they come to your hotel to swap the display if you're on a business trip ?
 
It amazes me how everyone is talking about the doom and gloom of Apple.. But the lower stock prices might be a good thing, they can buy back a pretty large chunk of the company with all that cash....
 
gkarris said:
I know people instead of buying a $1,200 Mac or MacBook, in today's Economy, are spending $400 for a cheap PC to dump their photo/video files onto and $400 for an iPad - just saying....
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Yeah, and that's why in "today's economy" Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW aren't doing too badly. Joined at the hip with the rest of the high priced retail stores are Gucci and Louis Vuitton who don't seem to be hurting. I think you're just "thinking" about what people are buying. You don't know what they are buying for sure. No matter how bad the economy is there are always a large percentage of wealthy people that can afford and will buy these higher priced products and they are not in the minority, if they were these companies wouldn't stay in business.
 
cambookpro said:
Well, at least it's nice to have some Mac Rumours for a change! :p
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You are so right!

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy iOS, but at times I could toss it out the window for turning Apple into a consumer oriented, mass producer of gadgets :eek:

OK, OK, maybe that's a bit of an overstatement but fact is, MacRumors is almost like two separate forums presently.

There's the Mac side, comprised of great people that are enthusiasts, but not the kind the pick apart their Apple products. Or whine over every little thing. Or continually bash other brands.

Then there's the iOS "wild side" where ranting, raving and arguing runs rampant.

It's just insane..... but then again it's certainly never dull :)
 
If sales are down, somebody in the company should consider the fact that prices cannot be raised indefinitely without consequences. The top management guys make millions every month, but that's not the case for average customers. With the current product lines and prices, sales are going to plunge further down, that is just so obvious.

So, Tim, get back to an acceptable price policy, take better care of your loyal customers, and they will start to plan their next Apple investments again. It's as simple as that.
 
gnasher729 said:
Well, they didn't. They sell two different products: Retina MacBook Pro and MacBook Pro. If you want 2 TB in a MacBook Pro, no problem. If you want 1.25 GB Fusion Drive in a MacBook Pro, no problem. Retina MBP is great for many people, just not for everybody. Do you complain that a Ferrari doesn't have space for a family of four with luggage? Plus a dog? You don't, you buy a car that is better suited. And Apple sells laptops that are better for some than the Retina MBP.
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Nope, it only has one drive bay. You can get it with either a 1 TB spinner or an SSD. Speed or volume are the exclusively independent choices.

No wonder pros are dumping Apple products. It's great to have thin laptop options, but to geld the entire lineup in the name of thin is terrible product placement. I know a lot of people who use a laptop as their "desktop", who just want something they can use around the house. It's nice to be able to move onto the patio without carrying an external drive along. It's nice to be able to watch DVDs or Blu-rays on a computer. It's nice to have a self-contained laptop/desktop without USB enclosures for basic functions. And Apple's competitors are happy to give users' this option.

I want to see Apple work their design expertise on a pro-laptop with plenty of storage. Don't stop doing thin, just remember that sometimes the fat kid can be a better friend once you get to know him.
 
HenryDJP said:
Yeah, and that's why in "today's economy" Cadillac, Mercedes and BMW aren't doing too badly. Joined at the hip with the rest of the high priced retail stores are Gucci and Louis Vuitton who don't seem to be hurting. I think you're just "thinking" about what people are buying. You don't know what they are buying for sure. No matter how bad the economy is there are always a large percentage of wealthy people that can afford and will buy these higher priced products and they are not in the minority, if they were these companies wouldn't stay in business.
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Not "thinking" - know 2 people personally.. :rolleyes:
 
I can't even remember the last time I saw a Mac commercial...just iPhone/iPad...has it been over 2 years? :confused:

That has some sort of impact here no doubt.
 
where the hell is the new Mac Pro?

this is what happens when a marketing and sales guy replaces an engineering guy at the top.
 
The only thing selling at my local Best Buy's Apple Kiosk, and it too is in financial trouble, are iPads, iPhones and maybe one or two of the laptops.. The poor iMacs just sit there gathering dust..

It seems no one there is really interested in Apple, at least the Macs..

extradryny said:
Best Buy Apple kiosks are a ghost town because Best Buy is a ghost town.
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I would think Hackintosh would help Apple in terms of OS X used per household.. Think of it.. if 3,000,000 people used OS X as their main OS, then this should send a warning to Windows. Hackintosh isn't necessarily a bad thing though I have 4 Macs myself.. but I must say Snow and Mountain Lion run very well on my Gateway p-7805u FX and no, I am not using it to show off.

I am also an Apple tech and PC Tech by trade and I enjoy both platforms. OS X has a nicer platform, while Windows has its uses also.. There are times when Windows saved my bacon due to lack of low-level hardware diagnostics for OS X side.

extradryny said:
When you use a Hackinstosh, the terrorists win.
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Whatever happened then to "Think Different"?

malexandria said:
I say this as a Mac owner. Only reason I have Mac/Apple products is I keep thinking at some point I'm going to develop iOS Apps. I primarily use my machine to run Windows. But have you seen most of the people in the Apple Store? They are mostly clueless, a lot of older people as well, and want Macs because its "different" or "shiny." A large majority of Mac shoppers aren't as "savy" as you claim. They just believe Apple's affective "their S don't smell" advertising.

If anything more "savvy" computer shoppers by Windows machines - unless they have to buy Macs for work. Because Savvy shoppers know that most of what is available on Windows is a lot cheaper, more advanced and includes more flexibility.
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If your laptop is a core 2 duo.. then that means my Gateway p-7805u FX can support 16GB also.. Its chipset is the PM45 what is yours? I went on Intel's website and under the ark.intel.??? it said max of 8.. but I am sure yours also says max 8..

Is this because at the time 8GB was available and 16GB isn't? I guess I will have to try with two 8GB dimms.


lukarak said:
It supports 16 GB. I have it. Look at OWC, it was discovered recently, in december 2012.
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Uh... you mean Windows 9?


Eidorian said:
Windows 8.1 is rumored to bring back the Start Menu and even provide the option for booting directly to the desktop. I am waiting for Haswell.

Apple? Well it is almost time for their BtS offer. We should be expecting the Spring hardware update.
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