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Note to Apple: It's called the halo effect.

People buy quality mac pros, and then they buy other mac products, or evangelize those products to others.
 
Why should they? what is wrong with the iMac given that there are thunderbolt and USB3 expansion capabilities?

Remember this?

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Apparently Apple doesn't....
 
You forgot that Apple drops support for older hardware very aggressively, even if that hardware is still perfectly fine to run the latest. If you want latest OS X, latest Safari, etc, etc, you'll have to buy new hardware sooner or later. Not because it wouldn't work fine on your current laptop, but just because of Apple's artificial restrictions.

Well, aggressively is not the word i would use. 5 years or more is a reasonable period not to support older hardware, especially if it doesn't support some features, like the X3100 in my MB late 2007.
 
That may be true but what about the iPad 1. Its stuck on IOS 5 and its many years newer :mad:

They do that on purpose lol

Why is it that the iPad 2 and iPad Mini are made almost completely out of the same components, yet the iPad Mini supports Siri.

iPhone 4 through jailbreak is proven to work fine with Siri as well.

They leave out updates so you buy the newer model.


Makes sense, but is lame at the same time.
 
The thing that is killing Apple is they don't have touch screen support for the laptops.

The other thing is Mac laptops look like every other laptop. Nothing special any more.

I have all apple gear at home yet I just bought a surface rt for work, my iPad 3 just stays at home.

Apple needs to ramp up innovation again.
 
Seriously? I'm really happy if your 3-4 year old machine does the job for you, but a quick look at geekbench shows a significant speed increase:

Your machine: 3340
Current entry level rMBP: 6625
Current entry level cMBP: 6658

Yep - they are both twice as fast. With the improving technology of each generation of intel i5 and i7 processors processor speeds are noticeably improving, while the clock speeds are changing very little.

Also, never underestimate the massive speed increase of SSD.

The same applies to everyone complaining about the price of macs in general. There are i5/i7 processors and there are i5/i7 processors; depending on the generation, number or cores and power usage, speeds can be wildly different. Specs have never been harder to compare. Looking at chip comparison sites, apple more or less consistently have the most powerful processors in their class in their machines. Truly compare a plastic windows machine with an identical sleek mac and you might be surprised (without even looking at the value of OSX vs Windows 8, bloatware on the pc, battery life, aesthetics etc.)

P.S. Apple seem to be doing fine in market share - take the Digitimes BS with a pinch of salt. Next it'll be Gizmodo sticking their oar in...

Well, I said that it's not a numbercrunching machine (no 13'' MBP is, because it's dual core), so the raw CPU speed is not an issue. It is just one metric, and there are several others that are more important.
I did put the SSD in. I also put the RAM in, which was a more noticeable improvement than a faster CPU would bring. All in all, I invested somewhere north of $250 in the machine and now have quite a combo that does everything I and most people opting for that machine use it for.

Also, Apple doesn't put top of the line CPUs in their macs, the best performing one is usually just BTO and only on the upper model.

i5 and i7 are just marketing names, a quad core i5 is faster than a dual core i7, the specs are much more important.
 
I say this as a Mac owner. Only reason I have Mac/Apple products is I keep thinking at some point I'm going to develop iOS Apps. I primarily use my machine to run Windows. But have you seen most of the people in the Apple Store? They are mostly clueless, a lot of older people as well, and want Macs because its "different" or "shiny." A large majority of Mac shoppers aren't as "savy" as you claim. They just believe Apple's affective "their S don't smell" advertising.

If anything more "savvy" computer shoppers by Windows machines - unless they have to buy Macs for work. Because Savvy shoppers know that most of what is available on Windows is a lot cheaper, more advanced and includes more flexibility.

It's a real shame MR took away the downvote button. This post is so arrogant and insulting and ignorant for that matter. I know you'd like to believe what you're saying is the truth but the truth of the matter is none of what you said was true nor does it make a lick of sense.

Just think about what you're writing for a second. Firstly most, if not all Mac users were Windows users from the start. So if you're saying most Mac users are clueless then that definitely would account for the majority of Windows users. Secondly, because you're a Windows user (why are you even here on a Mac forum anyway? :rolleyes:) don't flatter yourself, YOU KNOW most Windows users don't buy Windows machines because they are "savvy" they buy them because they are cheap, period. The rest would tend to be teens that sit home on Friday nights building their own as a hobby and enjoy referring to themselves as "tech savvy".

Age old line, if you want cheap you buy a Windows box. You're calling Mac buyers clueless, what's even funnier is the cheap Windows customers that you call savvy only seem to look at specs and price and don't seem to have the overall buying sense to check over the build quality only to find out after their warranty that their Windows lappy is starting to fall apart. Couple that with the low quality screens they come with, but "tech savvy" Windows users care more about the CPU and GPU where it really counts. :p.

So the only reason you have a Mac is because you keep thinking that you're going to develop iOS apps? A tech savvy shopper tends to know exactly what they are going to use their computer for and does so. You might want to rethink who you're calling clueless. ;)
 
The thing that is killing Apple is they don't have touch screen support for the laptops.

The other thing is Mac laptops look like every other laptop. Nothing special any more.

Apple needs to ramp up innovation again.

Yep.

They've been focused on the iPhone for so long that the rest of the line has been neglected. They've also screwed up royally with things like Maps.

And then there are the customers, like me, who are waiting, and waiting, and waiting for a desktop replacement that's using current standards.

The shine is off the iMac as well.

And finally, since the pace of technology change as slowed (and it's adoption by Apple), there are simply not many compelling reasons to upgrade.
 
Where are the authorized resellers?

Oh yeah they were all de-certified.

How about Apple stops stabbing their local independent shops in the back? These are the guys that built the fan base for Apple and now are being systematically destroyed by Apple's desire to handle everything themselves.
 
Business class

Oh yeah and ever try to get business support form an Apple retailer?

By undercutting the business support community that was thriving under SJ Apple is encouraging their one time friends to look for alternatives.
 
The thing that is killing Apple is they don't have touch screen support for the laptops.

The other thing is Mac laptops look like every other laptop. Nothing special any more.

I have all apple gear at home yet I just bought a surface rt for work, my iPad 3 just stays at home.

Apple needs to ramp up innovation again.

While I don't disagree with you in terms of Apple needing to ramp up innovation, there's been less than lackluster acceptance of touch screen laptops. Unless you're sitting the laptop on your "lap" with the bottom of your forearm resting on your leg, trying to tap the screen under any other condition is cumbersome and tiring. Non-Tablet touch screens just aren't ideal.

Secondly you've got it a bit backwards, it's the rest of the industry who's laptops now resemble Apple's. Many of them have mimicked the Macbook Pro's look and have been designed with one button touchpads to mimic the Macbook.

Uh, other than running Office (which personally I see as becoming more irrelevant every year) I can't see why anyone with an iPad would replace it with a Surface RT. :cool:
 
Too thin, too soon

I recently got two MBPs, a personal one and a work one. For my work computer, I got a MBPr. I don't need much storage as most is on the network, and I wasn't paying for it. For my personal computer, I got a MBP. Partly because of cost, but mainly because I'm not ready to give up having a large internal HDD. External storage is good and all, but it isn't portable.

I suppose I would have been fine with a 750GB SSD, but they are still prohibitively expensive. I think Apple went too thin, too soon. They should have waited until 750GB SSDs were closer to $250 before making a case that was too thin for an HDD. If I could have squeezed a hybrid drive into a MBPr, I would have bought that for my personal computer instead.
 
YOU KNOW most Windows users don't buy Windows machines because they are "savvy" they buy them because they are cheap, period.

Most people buy Windows machines because they are compatible with most computers outside. At least this applies to the corporations, which are still the number one buyers of hardware.
For consumer customers the price is an issue, granted. But it's not only the price, but although the price/value relation, which is much better for a Windows machine than for a Mac, given that you follow the user profile of most people (which is email, word processing and other office stuff, surfing, multimedia).

... the cheap Windows customers that you call savvy only seem to look at specs and price and don't seem to have the overall buying sense to check over the build quality only to find out after their warranty that their Windows lappy is starting to fall apart. Couple that with the low quality screens they come with, but "tech savvy" Windows users care more about the CPU and GPU where it really counts. :p.

I'd say that there the quality and price range of Windows machines is much larger than that of Macs. Although the average build quality of Macs is higher (which is easy given their premium price) there are Windows machines available that are at least as good, if not better than Macbooks for the purpose that they're used.

I think that some users here have an impression of Windows PCs that's based on rumors. I was working on PCs for more than 20 years as a power user and I never had a single virus or malware on my machine, nor did I have any major driver isssues. My last bluescreen was on Windows NT 4.0, sometimes at the start of this millenium.

Both product groups have advantages and flaws. To each his own.
 
Surprised there isn't a big market for pretty, $1,800 computers that don't have CD Drives, nor Hard Drives bigger than 200 Gigs (unless you want to pay an $800 for more storage). Just surprised....

I think the execs live in a bubble and can't understand people that don't have millions of bucks right at hand anytime they want it. If a person has 1k and brings it to buy a Mac and they want a portable they technically STILL wouldnt have enough after tax. As well they would have one choice which is an 11 inch netbook in some respects. I always thought 1k was a good chunk of change personally.

I think it's better to have a little more market even if your margins are lower, and to have you hand in more cookie jars (pro market, game consoles etc...) that way if one thing is off you can be hot in other areas. Cook is just a parrot and does the (what would Steve do) more than likely. Need someone else in there that changes the culture, IMO. Someone that has the balls to say "Look, Steve is not here anymore!"

It's not knocking Jobs, but his strategy only works if he is running it. Not if it's being emulated.
 
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I am in need of an upgrade and I am probably one of those that apple was betting on to buy a new computer, but have not (yet). Reasons...

  • Looking for semi-portability (Mini or Macbook). If not the case, I probably would of jumped at the iMac.
  • Mini not quite there yet. I feel with comparable configurations, the Mini is cripled compared to iMac, but Mini with a TB-Display is basically same price.
  • 2K-3K price tag on Retinas makes me nervious.
  • Retina requires you to max out RAM now even though I may not need it down the road (e.g. feeds 2K-3K price).
  • Gotta have at lease 512G SSD (e.g. feeds 2K-3K price).
  • cMBP really not that less expensive than rMBP given my target configurations (e.g. no out on price concerns).
  • IR issues with Retina made me hold off; including how Apple was handling it (e.g. lack of communication, I've seen no official statement from apple, except that IR is "normal behaviour").
  • At this point, getting more comfortable about IR issue, but Haswell is around the corner. I'd normally would jump, but at 2K-3K I might as well wait. Better battery life, heat management, and upgrade on the GPU are my hopes for Haswell. A-bit lower price would not hurt either.

Note, I buy Mac computers because of OSX (e.g. unix-based OS). The hardware designs are a bonus, but not cheap.
 
A lot of people have been waiting for Haswell and/or cheeper MacBooks with retina displays. So when the next generation comes out demand will be huge. I also imagine there will be a lot of switchers due to Windows 8.
Windows 8.1 is rumored to bring back the Start Menu and even provide the option for booting directly to the desktop. I am waiting for Haswell.

Apple? Well it is almost time for their BtS offer. We should be expecting the Spring hardware update.
 
Couldn't be due to lack of updates for the [one] Cinema Display offered? Nah.

The three year old Mac Pro? No way.

A "new" iMac with inferior components, no Blu-Ray drive and mobile components? Heck no.

The rMBP's with display issues? Nope.

Oh, it's probably the economy, since competitors are facing similar issues... oh, wait...

Hint: Update your systems with legit hardware. Too many are longing for the days of PowerMac's with speed and "new" tech (not a $2400+ system with 3-4 year old components). Thin is not in.
 
Thunderbolt is dead, as it's not adopted by the industry. Firewire was much more accepted, but still Apple finally had to drop it.

Then you should tell Sonnet, Drobo, Seagate etc. about the news that you've announced that Thunderbolt is officially deal - I'm sure Intel would love to hear that news as well.

And what's the point of a all-in-one PC that doesn't have all-in-one in his case? Why should I want to attach an external DVD drive, an external harddisk or even worse, an external boot SSD to my AIO ?

Because optical drives are no longer a necessity and if you do need to use an optical drive then plug in it when you need to use it and unplug it when you don't. As for an external hard disk - it takes up less than two inches standing up right.

Why should I buy a 1200$ machine that claims to be bleeding edge while at the same time using a non-upgradable 5k magnetic drive ? What's the point of not being able to upgrade the RAM ?

Just to be thinner ?

The memory is upgradeable - I have the 27inch and do so. Regarding the hard disk - mine is spinning at 7200rpm so what are you complaining about?

Remember this?

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Apparently Apple doesn't....

Yes, because an extra wire for the hard disk is just 'oh so horrific'.
 
Couldn't be due to lack of updates for the [one] Cinema Display offered? Nah.

The three year old Mac Pro? No way.

A "new" iMac with inferior components, no Blu-Ray drive and mobile components? Heck no.

The rMBP's with display issues? Nope.

Oh, it's probably the economy, since competitors are facing similar issues... oh, wait...

Hint: Update your systems with legit hardware. Too many are longing for the days of PowerMac's with speed and "new" tech (not a $2400+ system with 3-4 year old components). Thin is not in.
The scary thing is that my desktop lacks an optical drive but I find it much more useful in my notebook. I picked up a lot of TV series on DVD from the library. I can watch them on the big screen in the TV room or I can sit in my bed with my MacBook.
 
Lowered than expected demand isn't something that surprises me at all:

Soldered ram capped ridiculously low (13.3" rmpb) to give the machine any chance for a decent lifespan.

Custom ssds, slower, lower in size and more expensive than industry standard one.

Less and less user replaceable parts (replacing a hard drive on a desktop computer is now warranty voiding... lunacy) and glue galore.

Ever thinning to the detriment of storage, sound quality (imac), thermals, ports...

Expensive prices and always with the motto why use cpu/ram/ssd/hd A which is much superior when we can use cpu/ram/ssd/hd F which is not half bad and will save us $1 per device.

To paraphrase a favorite film, Tim, this is what happens son when you find a stranger in the alps.
 
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