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Apple Has Already Started Work on Mac OS X 10.8

Stella said:
Lion is the worse OSX yet since Panther IMO ( Panther was the first OSX I really really liked - smoother / better performance / refined)- mainly due to its GUI changes, a few:
(1) LaunchPad? A mess of cluttered icons of all gathered applications.. Not *much* different that having a 'shortcut' to Applications. quicker to use Spotlight or alternatives such as LaunchBar to open the application you want.
(2) Auto hiding scroll bars - thank god you can turn off the automatic hiding of scroll bars - Scroll Bars that hide automatically are a GUI mess - you can't see at a glance if there are more items in a combo box.
(3) only one desktop allowed in full screen applications
(4) Horrid and pointless skins on iCal and AddressBook ( its not the 80s, the vast majority of people know what a computerized calendar and Address Book are ) which make them totally inconsistent with the rest of the GUI / Apple provided applications. Fortunately there's 'hacks' out there to remove the skins.

Some things that work on a small device do not work on a full desktop O/S.
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Wow, I wasn't going to post in this thread, but this ridiculous post has coaxed me out.

1) Launchpad is optional, nobody is forcing you by gunpoint to use it to launch your apps compared to more traditional methods such as dock, finder or spotlight.

Personally, I find it useful to launch apps that aren't in my dock, when I don't want to use the keyboard to use indexed based search launchers such as spotlight or Alfred. There is nothing "messy" at all about it. It's just a grid of apps that you can click.

2) Auto-hiding scroll bars is the best thing to happen to the computer interface in a long time. With multi-touch scrolling, scroll bars are completely redundant if you ask me; not to mention UGLY. As for combo boxes, you simply have to touch the track pad or mouse for the scroll bar to pop up and indicate where you are in a list. Seems like a non-issue to me.

3) I don't even get this argument, so maybe it's valid? Seems self explanatory that a full screen app would occupy a sole desktop. Unless your referring to multiple monitors, and not desktops.

4) Two apps have a different skin and this makes Lions "the worst OS X since panther"? Please. While I agree it was a silly design choice it's quite a subjective point to make.

It's like "Lion used some kind of space photo for the desktop background, but I prefer the jungle..I think Lion is broken"

You'll have to do better then that to convince me and others that Lion is a poor operating system.
 
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guzhogi said:
Why will 10.9 be the end? They had 10.4.11, remember? And no, that was not the same as 10.5.1.
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For some reason, many people just fail to recognize that software versions are not really decimal numbers and shouldn't be expected to progress as such. 10.9 could very well be followed by 10.10 (no that's not the same as 10.1, this is not math class). They could even skip 10.9 altogether and go straight to 11.

This should be obvious just by looking at a version number like 10.7.3. Anyone here ever seen two decimals in a mathematical number before? No? Then why do software versions often have two decimals?

Because software versions are not decimal numbers and shouldn't be expected to behave as such. Software versions are most commonly read as "Ten dot seven dot three" ass opposed to "Ten point 7 point three" for this reason.

I apologize for the rant.

P.S. The Nyan Cat joke stopped being funny after about the 3rd or 4th repetition. Please at least scan the thread before you post.
 
interrobang said:
Amazing how many people can't be bothered to look up the cat names that've already been used before suggesting them. :rolleyes:
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these are the recent apple zealots I mainly have trouble understanding. I wish I had a time machine so we could go back about 9 years, before the ipod got big and the mac community was overrun by ignorant part-time fans. I used to be fine saying in public I'm a mac user, but now its just an embarrassment.
 
Not surprising it has already started, it isn't something that is quick to build.

I think it should be called OS X Phoenix. ;)
 
Less iOS-y

Let's hope it will be less iOS-like. I still use my iMac and MBA, more than either my iPad or iPhone to be honest, and a Mac is not a mobile device. Don't treat its UI as though it were.
 
arn said:
Sure, perhaps better title would have been. "Apple Employees Should be Working on OS X 10.8 But Instead Are Browsing MacRumors.com." :)

arn
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They're probably coming here to steal all of our awesome ideas.

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macdaddy57 said:
Let's hope it will be less iOS-like. I still use my iMac and MBA, more than either my iPad or iPhone to be honest, and a Mac is not a mobile device. Don't treat its UI as though it were.
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I have no issues with using my Mac as though it's not a mobile device. I still fail to see how the Lion UI does this.
 
Why is this a surprise, I'm sure they are working on 10.9 to some degree. I am curious what they might name 10.8 since all the big cat names seem to be taken.
 
Slurpy2k8 said:
Launchpad is fantastic. I use it all the time to launch applications not in the dock. Beats opening up the finder and scrolling through a tiny list.

Also, those who say they hope Apple will reverse the 'iPadification' in their next OS are really disconnected with reality, and havent been paying attention. If anything, it will clearly increase. The endgame is the merging of both iOS and OSX. Anyone who can't see why that would be Apple's goal in the big picture.. wwll, there's nothing to say. I'm not even sure what people here WANT in a desktop OS, and neither do they. Innovation on the desktop will now stem from innovations in the mobile space, which will spred to both. People say they're disappointed with Lion, yet don't offer a single feature they would have liked to see. Lion is the best desktop OS Apple has ever made. I could never go back to SL. What the hell are 'SL roots anyway'? Some of you are utterly clueless.
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You asked for it.

1) Mission Control is an absolute mess.

It needs OPTIONS in system preferences to give us back the ability to view
all open windows at once without grouping them together, just like in
Expose. Anyone who multitasks between multiple documents in photoshop,
illustrator, indesign, etc. will know exactly how annoying it is to switch to a window in a different application.

2) Simplify Mission Control.

No need for it to pull back the wallpaper when activating it, and
especially no need to show thumbnails over other desktops up top when
users only use ONE desktop.

3) Version needs to go (or be turned off).

Give users options in system preferences for versions/auto save. This is a
huge problem for privacy. I would want it turned completely off.

4) The sidebar icons.

It looks like a dumbass graphic designer with no sense of functionality
designed these. Why are they all grey? Its really difficult quickly
scanning through the list of icons to find where to go.

5) RAM optimization.

Lion is a memory HOG. One reason many of us were excited about Snow Leopard
was because it built on the greatness of Leopard itself and made the
experience better. Lion is just complete bloatware compared to Snow
Leopard.

6) Launchpad is useless for many users.

It really needs to be capable of being turned off COMPLETELY, or
trashed/uninstalled. Simply removing it from the dock does not disable
it. The proof of this is when download an application through the app
store; launchpad pops up automatically. I have no need for it, I use
shortcuts in the dock already. Im sick of the ipadification of Lion.

7) Battery life on MacBooks.

Go to any forum and you will see a massive number of users experiencing
terrible battery life. Lion is clearly not optimized, at all.

8) iTunes bloat.

While I'm at it; I hate iTunes. It'd be fine if it werent such a bloated peice of **** if it didnt include all the crap for itunes music store, support for ipods, iphones, ipads, app store, movies, etc. It'd be really great if apple could put together a simple application with a library JUST for the purpose of listening to music. For now, I use Vox.

9) TRIM Support.

Apple has been selling laptops with SSD drives for about 4 years now, and STILL hasnt added support for TRIM, something that should have been standard the day they started selling those macbook airs with SSDs. Fast forward to today, and there is NO EXCUSE for not implementing this. Windows has had TRIM for years. Where is Apple today considering their stance on being cutting edge and innovative and all that propaganda ********?
 
INTEL 10.8

The Intel thing is the most interesting to me.

MacRumors have reported about ARM Macbook air prototypes.
In April macbidouille reported that Apple was working on an ARM version of OSX. (indicating that 10.7 would be the last X86 OS). The new OS would be more like iOS.

Macbidouille has an excellent record of the few rumors they publish.
 
ThunderSkunk said:
Coooool. As much as I like OS X, within a couple years they're going to be done with 10.9, and I can't wait to see what they've been dreaming up for OS XI all this time (or if you consider iOS OS XI, then OS XII)...
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Why do you say they will be done with 10.9? In software versioning 11.0 does not necessarily follow 10.9. Software is typically versioned using a major.minor.fix notation. The major version number does not typically change unless there is a major rewrite of some or all of the software, or there are significant incompatible changes. There can certainly be 10.10, 10.11, 10.12 releases.
 
BlkBear said:
Why do you say they will be done with 10.9? In software versioning 11.0 does not necessarily follow 10.9. Software is typically versioned using a major.minor.fix notation. The major version number does not typically change unless there is a major rewrite of some or all of the software, or there are significant incompatible changes. There can certainly be 10.10, 10.11, 10.12 releases.
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While true I hope they give us the "next best thing" before we hit 10.10 ;)
 
jhende7 said:
1) Launchpad is optional, nobody is forcing you by gunpoint to use it to launch your apps compared to more traditional methods such as dock, finder or spotlight.

Personally, I find it useful to launch apps that aren't in my dock, when I don't want to use the keyboard to use indexed based search launchers such as spotlight or Alfred. There is nothing "messy" at all about it. It's just a grid of apps that you can click.
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No, its not optional. Removing it from the dock does not disable it. Try downloading an application in the app store and youll see it rears its ugly head. I'd like to have it COMPLETELY removed from the OS.

I have the dock for applications i use most often, i dont need another method to get to my applications.
 
I hope this one turns out better than the abhorent iOSX Lion. Terrible! I`m skipping Lion and hope for the next one to be worthy of the name OSX.....
 
wikus said:
You asked for it.

1) Mission Control is an absolute mess.

It needs OPTIONS in system preferences to give us back the ability to view
all open windows at once without grouping them together, just like in
Expose. Anyone who multitasks between multiple documents in photoshop,
illustrator, indesign, etc. will know exactly how annoying it is to switch to a window in a different application.

2) Simplify Mission Control.

No need for it to pull back the wallpaper when activating it, and
especially no need to show thumbnails over other desktops up top when
users only use ONE desktop.

3) Version needs to go (or be turned off).

Give users options in system preferences for versions/auto save. This is a
huge problem for privacy. I would want it turned completely off.

4) The sidebar icons.

It looks like a dumbass graphic designer with no sense of functionality
designed these. Why are they all grey? Its really difficult quickly
scanning through the list of icons to find where to go.

5) RAM optimization.

Lion is a memory HOG. One reason many of us were excited about Snow Leopard
was because it built on the greatness of Leopard itself and made the
experience better. Lion is just complete bloatware compared to Snow
Leopard.

6) Launchpad is useless for many users.

It really needs to be capable of being turned off COMPLETELY, or
trashed/uninstalled. Simply removing it from the dock does not disable
it. The proof of this is when download an application through the app
store; launchpad pops up automatically. I have no need for it, I use
shortcuts in the dock already. Im sick of the ipadification of Lion.

7) Battery life on MacBooks.

Go to any forum and you will see a massive number of users experiencing
terrible battery life. Lion is clearly not optimized, at all.

8) iTunes bloat.

While I'm at it; I hate iTunes. It'd be fine if it werent such a bloated peice of **** if it didnt include all the crap for itunes music store, support for ipods, iphones, ipads, app store, movies, etc. It'd be really great if apple could put together a simple application with a library JUST for the purpose of listening to music. For now, I use Vox.

9) TRIM Support.

Apple has been selling laptops with SSD drives for about 4 years now, and STILL hasnt added support for TRIM, something that should have been standard the day they started selling those macbook airs with SSDs. Fast forward to today, and there is NO EXCUSE for not implementing this. Windows has had TRIM for years. Where is Apple today considering their stance on being cutting edge and innovative and all that propaganda ********?
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If you create something that even idiot can use, only idiot will use it - Common sense 101.
 
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