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Apple Has Already Started Work on Mac OS X 10.8

wikus said:
You asked for it.

1) Mission Control is an absolute mess.

It needs OPTIONS in system preferences to give us back the ability to view
all open windows at once without grouping them together, just like in
Expose. Anyone who multitasks between multiple documents in photoshop,
illustrator, indesign, etc. will know exactly how annoying it is to switch to a window in a different application.

2) Simplify Mission Control.

No need for it to pull back the wallpaper when activating it, and
especially no need to show thumbnails over other desktops up top when
users only use ONE desktop.

3) Version needs to go (or be turned off).

Give users options in system preferences for versions/auto save. This is a
huge problem for privacy. I would want it turned completely off.

4) The sidebar icons.

It looks like a dumbass graphic designer with no sense of functionality
designed these. Why are they all grey? Its really difficult quickly
scanning through the list of icons to find where to go.

5) RAM optimization.

Lion is a memory HOG. One reason many of us were excited about Snow Leopard
was because it built on the greatness of Leopard itself and made the
experience better. Lion is just complete bloatware compared to Snow
Leopard.

6) Launchpad is useless for many users.

It really needs to be capable of being turned off COMPLETELY, or
trashed/uninstalled. Simply removing it from the dock does not disable
it. The proof of this is when download an application through the app
store; launchpad pops up automatically. I have no need for it, I use
shortcuts in the dock already. Im sick of the ipadification of Lion.

7) Battery life on MacBooks.

Go to any forum and you will see a massive number of users experiencing
terrible battery life. Lion is clearly not optimized, at all.

8) iTunes bloat.

While I'm at it; I hate iTunes. It'd be fine if it werent such a bloated peice of **** if it didnt include all the crap for itunes music store, support for ipods, iphones, ipads, app store, movies, etc. It'd be really great if apple could put together a simple application with a library JUST for the purpose of listening to music. For now, I use Vox.

9) TRIM Support.

Apple has been selling laptops with SSD drives for about 4 years now, and STILL hasnt added support for TRIM, something that should have been standard the day they started selling those macbook airs with SSDs. Fast forward to today, and there is NO EXCUSE for not implementing this. Windows has had TRIM for years. Where is Apple today considering their stance on being cutting edge and innovative and all that propaganda ********?
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Apple does offer TRIM for their own SSDs. Also, you can enable TRIM support through a easy hack. But I do agree, Apple needs to start offering support for 3rd party SSDs.

Mission control does have some UI issues that need to get worked out (ie covering different desktops).

And add to the list fixing fullscreen with multiple monitors. IMO, the biggest problem I have with Lion.
 
Apple is working Trojan Horse magic everywhere... getting us hooked on iOS features and sticking them into our computers. When Siri comes to our computers and special iTVs (after 40M iPhone 4Ss have been sold) — watch out, Apple will become a $200B a year company instead of that piddling $108B it had this year! The halo effect will be amazing as people jump to a Mac in record numbers! :)
 
Is this really turning into another bash Lion thread?

This rumor isn't very exciting though, I admit. OS X still exists and looks to be following the historical trend for OS X updates? Shocking!
 
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I hope they're just calling it 10.8 right now but it is actually enough of a change to warrant OS 11 (looks better than XI). I love Lion, but I would love to see Apple's answer to MS Metro. I just love when Apple does really big things. I remember how excited I was when OS X came out or when I first saw an iMac, iPod, iPhone, and iPad. 10 years with OS x has been awesome. I want Apple to show what the next 10 is going to look like.
 
Now we know some Apple OS developers actually take a peak on MR, from time to time. ;)

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wikus said:
You asked for it.

1) Mission Control is an absolute mess.

It needs OPTIONS in system preferences to give us back the ability to view
all open windows at once without grouping them together, just like in
Expose. Anyone who multitasks between multiple documents in photoshop,
illustrator, indesign, etc. will know exactly how annoying it is to switch to a window in a different application.

2) Simplify Mission Control.

No need for it to pull back the wallpaper when activating it, and
especially no need to show thumbnails over other desktops up top when
users only use ONE desktop.

3) Version needs to go (or be turned off).

Give users options in system preferences for versions/auto save. This is a
huge problem for privacy. I would want it turned completely off.

4) The sidebar icons.

It looks like a dumbass graphic designer with no sense of functionality
designed these. Why are they all grey? Its really difficult quickly
scanning through the list of icons to find where to go.

5) RAM optimization.

Lion is a memory HOG. One reason many of us were excited about Snow Leopard
was because it built on the greatness of Leopard itself and made the
experience better. Lion is just complete bloatware compared to Snow
Leopard.

6) Launchpad is useless for many users.

It really needs to be capable of being turned off COMPLETELY, or
trashed/uninstalled. Simply removing it from the dock does not disable
it. The proof of this is when download an application through the app
store; launchpad pops up automatically. I have no need for it, I use
shortcuts in the dock already. Im sick of the ipadification of Lion.

7) Battery life on MacBooks.

Go to any forum and you will see a massive number of users experiencing
terrible battery life. Lion is clearly not optimized, at all.

8) iTunes bloat.

While I'm at it; I hate iTunes. It'd be fine if it werent such a bloated peice of **** if it didnt include all the crap for itunes music store, support for ipods, iphones, ipads, app store, movies, etc. It'd be really great if apple could put together a simple application with a library JUST for the purpose of listening to music. For now, I use Vox.

9) TRIM Support.

Apple has been selling laptops with SSD drives for about 4 years now, and STILL hasnt added support for TRIM, something that should have been standard the day they started selling those macbook airs with SSDs. Fast forward to today, and there is NO EXCUSE for not implementing this. Windows has had TRIM for years. Where is Apple today considering their stance on being cutting edge and innovative and all that propaganda ********?
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10.8 Snow Lion. ...? BOO!
 
fobfob said:
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10.8 OMG Cat
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Rum Tum Tugger seems to be the best choice reflecting many MR complainers:

The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat:
If you offer him pheasant he would rather have grouse.
If you put him in a house he would much prefer a flat,
If you put him in a flat then he'd rather have a house.
If you set him on a mouse then he only wants a rat,
If you set him on a rat then he'd rather chase a mouse.
 
wikus said:
You asked for it.

1) Mission Control is an absolute mess.

It needs OPTIONS in system preferences to give us back the ability to view
all open windows at once without grouping them together, just like in
Expose. Anyone who multitasks between multiple documents in photoshop,
illustrator, indesign, etc. will know exactly how annoying it is to switch to a window in a different application.

2) Simplify Mission Control.

No need for it to pull back the wallpaper when activating it, and
especially no need to show thumbnails over other desktops up top when
users only use ONE desktop.

3) Version needs to go (or be turned off).

Give users options in system preferences for versions/auto save. This is a
huge problem for privacy. I would want it turned completely off.

4) The sidebar icons.

It looks like a dumbass graphic designer with no sense of functionality
designed these. Why are they all grey? Its really difficult quickly
scanning through the list of icons to find where to go.

5) RAM optimization.

Lion is a memory HOG. One reason many of us were excited about Snow Leopard
was because it built on the greatness of Leopard itself and made the
experience better. Lion is just complete bloatware compared to Snow
Leopard.

6) Launchpad is useless for many users.

It really needs to be capable of being turned off COMPLETELY, or
trashed/uninstalled. Simply removing it from the dock does not disable
it. The proof of this is when download an application through the app
store; launchpad pops up automatically. I have no need for it, I use
shortcuts in the dock already. Im sick of the ipadification of Lion.

7) Battery life on MacBooks.

Go to any forum and you will see a massive number of users experiencing
terrible battery life. Lion is clearly not optimized, at all.

8) iTunes bloat.

While I'm at it; I hate iTunes. It'd be fine if it werent such a bloated peice of **** if it didnt include all the crap for itunes music store, support for ipods, iphones, ipads, app store, movies, etc. It'd be really great if apple could put together a simple application with a library JUST for the purpose of listening to music. For now, I use Vox.

9) TRIM Support.

Apple has been selling laptops with SSD drives for about 4 years now, and STILL hasnt added support for TRIM, something that should have been standard the day they started selling those macbook airs with SSDs. Fast forward to today, and there is NO EXCUSE for not implementing this. Windows has had TRIM for years. Where is Apple today considering their stance on being cutting edge and innovative and all that propaganda ********?
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Did you try the 3-finger Dock Expose swipe? Hardly perfect, but took care of most of my multi-tasking issues with Lion.
 
I gave some examples of why I think Lion has regressed on a GUI level. Those items are just some examples. Why skin iCal and address book like that? It adds nothing apart from inconsistency - and is widely disliked even on these boards. Consistency on a GUI is king.

Your response to item 4 - I said no such thing. What I did say is given all the changes in Lion, Lion has been my least favourite OS X since Panther.

When it comes to scroll bars automatically hiding - you have no visual indication of whether there are more items in a list - the 'click' count increases and makes the user have to do more work - i.e,. move the cursor instead said list box. Sure it may be more visually appealing having no scroll bars but at the decriment to the usability. This was highlighted also in Ars review of Lion.

Your right launch pad is optional but it feels like its been ported from IOS with no thought of how it can be used on a desktop environment.

I don't have to convince any one of anything - these are my personal views and whether you disagree or agree is entirely up to you.


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jhende7 said:
Wow, I wasn't going to post in this thread, but this ridiculous post has coaxed me out.

1) Launchpad is optional, nobody is forcing you by gunpoint to use it to launch your apps compared to more traditional methods such as dock, finder or spotlight.

Personally, I find it useful to launch apps that aren't in my dock, when I don't want to use the keyboard to use indexed based search launchers such as spotlight or Alfred. There is nothing "messy" at all about it. It's just a grid of apps that you can click.

2) Auto-hiding scroll bars is the best thing to happen to the computer interface in a long time. With multi-touch scrolling, scroll bars are completely redundant if you ask me; not to mention UGLY. As for combo boxes, you simply have to touch the track pad or mouse for the scroll bar to pop up and indicate where you are in a list. Seems like a non-issue to me.

3) I don't even get this argument, so maybe it's valid? Seems self explanatory that a full screen app would occupy a sole desktop. Unless your referring to multiple monitors, and not desktops.

4) Two apps have a different skin and this makes Lions "the worst OS X since panther"? Please. While I agree it was a silly design choice it's quite a subjective point to make.

It's like "Lion used some kind of space photo for the desktop background, but I prefer the jungle..I think Lion is broken"

You'll have to do better then that to convince me and others that Lion is a poor operating system.
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10.9?

how about this macrumors

10.9.jpg


http://3rr0rists.net/macintosh/mac-os-x-10-9-exist-in-this-world.html
 
just for the fun of it...

• 10.8 Tigger
• 10.8 Heathcliff
• 10.8 Garfield
• 10.8 Aristocat
• 10.8 Bigglesworth
• 10.8 Schrödinger
• 10.8 Siegfried/Roy
• 10.8 Freddy Cougar*

*Afterall, today is Halloween ;)
 
Do you guys know how easy it is to fake a user agent? It's built into Safari, and plugins are available for every other web browser.
 
Slurpy2k8 said:
Launchpad is fantastic. I use it all the time to launch applications not in the dock. Beats opening up the finder and scrolling through a tiny list.

Also, those who say they hope Apple will reverse the 'iPadification' in their next OS are really disconnected with reality, and havent been paying attention. If anything, it will clearly increase. The endgame is the merging of both iOS and OSX. Anyone who can't see why that would be Apple's goal in the big picture.. wwll, there's nothing to say. I'm not even sure what people here WANT in a desktop OS, and neither do they. Innovation on the desktop will now stem from innovations in the mobile space, which will spred to both. People say they're disappointed with Lion, yet don't offer a single feature they would have liked to see. Lion is the best desktop OS Apple has ever made. I could never go back to SL. What the hell are 'SL roots anyway'? Some of you are utterly clueless.
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You my friend are the 'clueless' one.
Launchpad is a gimmick - nothing more.
I have over 150 apps on my Mac and clicking the 'applications' folder shortcut in my dock opens up and displays (in grid view,) all my applications MUCH quicker than Launchpad does.
I can scroll through all the items in a matter of seconds instead of having to (slowly) swap from screen to scree hoping to spot the app i'm after.
Apps I use all the time are sat in my dock just a click away.
The converging of OSX and IOS is fine, but it should encompass only the good points.
All the icons on an iPhone aren't grey are they?
So if you think making all finder icons grey is good design, then you are a clueless moron and obviously don't have (as I do) a visually impaired person in your house. Colour icons in the finder are MUCH easier to navigate for everyone, but especially for those with poor eye sight.
if you want to 'copy' something from IOS...COPY THE COLOUR ICONS!!!
Even if Apple had given an option to 'enable' colour or not would have been simple and a much improved way of doing things.
Also Mission Control & Full screen apps are a mess - you can't even display 2 full screen apps on two separate screens.
If you use Mail in full screen mode and want to refer to a previous email, you have to come out of full screen mode to be able to read your incoming messages, which is just a pain in the arse.
Grey icons in iTunes and Mail are difficult to read.
Mail sidebar icons increase in size when you change the size of your icons in finder too.
Why they link those 2 is beyond me?
Disabling Front Row, severing compatibility with Rosetta and older apps.
The list goes on and on.
In my opinion Lion is the least cohesive OS Apple has ever released, which is why all my important Macs are still on 10.6.
I have used 10.7 on my laptop since its release in an attempt to 'acclimatise' to it. So far the only improvements are the new IOS Mail layout and the gestures for the Trackpad...but that's it!
if I could, I'd make Apple completely rewrite 10.7...its fragmented and ill conceived and It feels 'rushed' and more like a Windows OS than a Mac one!
 
Broph said:
Lion's the end of the line?! YOU'VE MISSED OUT THE BEST

OS X 10.8 - KEYBOARD CAT
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Will the startup chime be replaced by the Keyboard Cat and will the Apple be a picture of Steve Jobs?

Play him out Keyboard Cat!
 
sennekuyl said:
Why don't you use Spotlight to launch apps not in the dock? Is it actually easier to use launchpad for this?

That said, I can't wait to get my [own] mac so I can be running Lion. Love versions. That is worth $130 any day. (yeah, I know it is only $30 in the Mac Store to upgrade.)

Doh!
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My dock at the current time is displayed on a display that it not always on. Its my far left display of 5 that is also attached to my 17" MacBook Pro. So even when it is on it is usually switched to my other Mac.

I used DragStrip to launch my applications on my Mac for many years now. I had to stop using it when using Lion. Now I use DragThing for those activities. DragThing is like DragStrip in that it sets up your programs in a small window in different groups. Launchpad has been turned off at it is not needed by me. If things can be turned off & not have to be used then I am ok with that. There may be someone that likes these things.

This is the first Mac OS X update that I would by default turn off all of the changes if I had the choice. Then I'd turn the ones that I find useful for me one at a time. If I can get my Parallels DeskTop for the Mac that I have setup in Lion to work in SnowLeopard I'll probably upgrade back to Snow Leopard. That is bad to say that I am using Lion because my 64 bit XP Windows version was set up there & not moved from my Snow Leopard partition. Because I have a Mac Pro with 4 boot partitions on the 4 internals drives, all I have to do is to choose a different start up drive to use Mac OS 10.6.8 Snow Leopard.

Many people will choose the security card when they say that one should be using Mac OS 10.7 & not Mac OS 10.6. I hope that is true. I need something for all of the anguish that Mac OS Lion causes.

For short 1 or 2 lines scrolls I have much better control using Mac OS 10.6 with its scroll arrows rather than only depending on using the scroll ring on my Kensington track ball. Tose ugly gray scroll bars without the useful scroll arrows is the single biggest feature or should I say lack of feature that makes Lion very frustrating for me. I can turn on the scroll bars for viewing all of the time. But nothing can be done as far as color & to put the arrows back where they belong.

I've never had much luck using SpotLight for much of anything. You'll have to give some instructions on how to use it.
 
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Mac OS X Lynx. There more smaller than what apples history went for but it's sounds good enough.
 
Thunderhawks said:
Rum Tum Tugger seems to be the best choice reflecting many MR complainers:

The Rum Tum Tugger is a Curious Cat:
If you offer him pheasant he would rather have grouse.
If you put him in a house he would much prefer a flat,
If you put him in a flat then he'd rather have a house.
If you set him on a mouse then he only wants a rat,
If you set him on a rat then he'd rather chase a mouse.
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Very well put. We're so spoiled.
 
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