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Apple Has Already Started Work on Mac OS X 10.8

Is there such a thing as a Snow Lion?

Tighter integration with iCloud and further iOS / OS X unification must feature prominently in 10.8 - Lion seems to be setting the stage for these changes.
Apple seems to be coming to terms with the fact that it has to fight Google on Google's territory (that is, in the sky, so to speak) on both the desktop and mobile fronts.
 
no surprise here. I'd be more surprised if I had heard that Apple hadn't already been working on 10.8. In fact I'd guess that at least "on paper" work had started on it long before the release of 10.7. Most large development projects overlap to some extent, and they probably even have some goals (and brain storming) set for 10.9+. I don't think they just work on and plan for the short term.
 
I think space phenomena would be logical...They seem to like space (based on their default wallpaper for 10.5/10.6/10.7

Also I wonder if they would decide to ship one OS for all devices...iOS 6 runs on Macs, iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. Then they can have OS X apps run in a "Classic" mode.
 
wikus said:
I hope they stop with the ipadification of OS X.

And a concise list of things WRONG with OS X:


1) Mission Control is an absolute mess.

It needs OPTIONS in system preferences to give us back the ability to view
all open windows at once without grouping them together, just like in
Expose. Anyone who multitasks between multiple documents in photoshop,
illustrator, indesign, etc. will know exactly how annoying it is to switch to a window in a different application.

2) Simplify Mission Control.

No need for it to pull back the wallpaper when activating it, and
especially no need to show thumbnails over other desktops up top when
users only use ONE desktop.

3) Version needs to go (or be turned off).

Give users options in system preferences for versions/auto save. This is a
huge problem for privacy. I would want it turned completely off.

4) The sidebar icons.

It looks like a dumbass graphic designer with no sense of functionality
designed these. Why are they all grey? Its really difficult quickly
scanning through the list of icons to find where to go.

5) RAM optimization.

Lion is a memory HOG. One reason many of us were excited about Snow Leopard
was because it built on the greatness of Leopard itself and made the
experience better. Lion is just complete bloatware compared to Snow
Leopard.

6) Launchpad is useless for many users.

It really needs to be capable of being turned off COMPLETELY, or
trashed/uninstalled. Simply removing it from the dock does not disable
it. The proof of this is when download an application through the app
store; launchpad pops up automatically. I have no need for it, I use
shortcuts in the dock already. Im sick of the ipadification of Lion.

7) Battery life on MacBooks.

Go to any forum and you will see a massive number of users experiencing
terrible battery life. Lion is clearly not optimized, at all.

8) iTunes bloat.

While I'm at it; I hate iTunes. It'd be fine if it werent such a bloated peice of **** if it didnt include all the crap for itunes music store, support for ipods, iphones, ipads, app store, movies, etc. It'd be really great if apple could put together a simple application with a library JUST for the purpose of listening to music. For now, I use Vox.

9) TRIM Support.

Apple has been selling laptops with SSD drives for about 4 years now, and STILL hasnt added support for TRIM, something that should have been standard the day they started selling those macbook airs with SSDs. Fast forward to today, and there is NO EXCUSE for not implementing this. Windows has had TRIM for years. Where is Apple today considering their stance on being cutting edge and innovative and all that propaganda?
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I don't know why you're getting voted down, because I rather agree with most of this.

Maybe not issues for 10.8 though... but for point releases of Lion.

Launch Pad is completely useless, but I don't see a need to have it removed. Just don't use it.

I'm finding Mission Control grows on me, but I feel Expose was at once time a simple and elegant solution and quick to access. I'd be happy if they just let me use Expose via function keys again. I never cared for Spaces before, but Mission Control has allowed me to find them more useful.

Now... EVERYTHING you said about Lion being a resource hog is very true. A lot of people with new systems might not feel it as much, but I sure do. Sometimes Lion is painful to use. I honestly have never had as many system hangs, app crashes, or needed to force a shut down since I used Windows 98! The last update eased some of the pain, but not all.

There was nothing particularly revolutionary about Lion that should have killed all the performance gains from Snow Leopard roll over and die. Lion really was a lot of lip gloss and make up. It wasn't like they introduced tons of new under the hood technologies as previously done in OS updates that were system wide changes.

All I really truly care about with 10.8 (as I'll be on a new system by then myself) is that they get rid of that UGLY DESKTOP CALENDAR LOOK OF ICAL.
This is the really important stuff. ;)

And I don't mind the IOS mix in the desk top if they are going to bring out a touch screen iMac or MacBook soon. Until then, it is a bit unnecessary.
 
sanke1 said:
My mid 2010 MBP is slow in UI responsiveness when I upgraded to Lion. I will probably wait for better intel drivers before dumping this slow experience. Slow Laggy UI kills everything. Forcing nvidia GeForce 330M all the time makes the MBP run hotter and uncomfortable to touch. I also get a weird static shock when I touch the body.
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If it were me I would be on the phone with Apple trying to get these issues resolved.
 
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It's going to be called iOS because Apple is going to be consolidating all of their products into the mobile and entertainment markets now that Steve is gone. Future operating systems are going to become more an more like what runs on the iPhone. Mark my words.
 
autrefois said:
Since Lion is the king of the cats, I think for 10.8 a transition is needed towards another type of creature...aquatic mammals!

10.5 Leopard
10.6 Snow Leopard
10.7 Lion
10.8 Sea Lion
(end of OS X)

11.0 Whale
11.1 Humpback Whale
11.2 Dolphin
Etc.
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Apple could very well keep going after 10.9.X with 10.10.X, 10.11.X. There was a 10.4.10 so it is concievable that the numbering will remain 10.X.Y. I do think that 10.8 will be named Mountain Lion.
 
THX1139 said:
It's going to be called iOS because Apple is going to be consolidating all of their products into the mobile and entertainment markets now that Steve is gone. Future operating systems are going to become more an more like what runs on the iPhone. Mark my words.
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Yup, its going to happen that way. Complete with a big walled garden.

Software that are controlled by a walled garden aren't as varied as those without restrictions.

At some point, the trend will go the opposite way - away from walled gardens. Technology / trends are cyclic.
 
CaryMacGuy said:
Also I wonder if they would decide to ship one OS for all devices...iOS 6 runs on Macs, iPhone, iPod Touch, and iPad. Then they can have OS X apps run in a "Classic" mode.
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No.

Apple understand better than any other company that that is not the way to go. Just like shrinking down a desktop UI to make a mobile OS is a stupid idea (see: Windows CE and its ilk), blowing up a small screen UI for a desktop computer is a bad idea.

Apple never made a small version of the Mac OS, they always turned to OS's tuned to their environments. That won't change.

Sure, there will be cross-pollination, but no unification. It simply won't work.

What will happen, though, is a move away from the traditional hierarchical file system. And rightly so; ordinary users have no business mucking about with that kind of stuff. Apps and data will be tightly integrated. Apps will open and close as necessary, not explicitly by the user. Faster machines and faster storage media (SSD), blurring the distinction between working memory and long term storage, will help bring this about. Auto-save and versioning is the first manifestation of this revolution, and one of Apple's greatest challenges is making this transition as smooth as possible. The mechanisms for automatically opening and closing apps are in place in Lion, too. Expect Apple's core apps to start using them, soon.

.tsooJ
 
Also,

Apple needs to rename iCal to Calendar, Address Book to Contacts, etc. Keep the damn names the same. iOS names are better.
 
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Apple has already said that 10.7 Lion was their last version of OS X in one of their Keynotes. They'll be moving on to OS XI or OS 11 after Lion. I assume it'll be touch based, and look much more like iOS.
 
Inrianian said:
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Apple has already said that 10.7 Lion was their last version of OS X in one of their Keynotes. They'll be moving on to OS XI or OS 11 after Lion. I assume it'll be touch based, and look much more like iOS.
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Which Keynote and where is this said?
 
Inrianian said:
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Apple has already said that 10.7 Lion was their last version of OS X in one of their Keynotes. They'll be moving on to OS XI or OS 11 after Lion. I assume it'll be touch based, and look much more like iOS.
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They will still need something that works like 10.7
Snow Lion? I hope.
 
gyorpb said:
No.

Apple understand better than any other company that that is not the way to go. Just like shrinking down a desktop UI to make a mobile OS is a stupid idea (see: Windows CE and its ilk), blowing up a small screen UI for a desktop computer is a bad idea.

Apple never made a small version of the Mac OS, they always turned to OS's tuned to their environments. That won't change.

Sure, there will be cross-pollination, but no unification. It simply won't work.

What will happen, though, is a move away from the traditional hierarchical file system. And rightly so; ordinary users have no business mucking about with that kind of stuff. Apps and data will be tightly integrated. Apps will open and close as necessary, not explicitly by the user. Faster machines and faster storage media (SSD), blurring the distinction between working memory and long term storage, will help bring this about. Auto-save and versioning is the first manifestation of this revolution, and one of Apple's greatest challenges is making this transition as smooth as possible. The mechanisms for automatically opening and closing apps are in place in Lion, too. Expect Apple's core apps to start using them, soon.

.tsooJ
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Well what do you think about the idea of letting users run iOS iPad or iPhone apps in Mac OS X? Most of the core services are present in those devices. (except Core Motion).
 
OS X Massive Sense of Entitlement Cat.

A version designed specifically for MR forum-goers.

Comes pre-installed on an imaginary 128-core headless-Mac, sub-$800. Screw-driver and solder kit included.

Now with Rosetta!

It's a dream come true.
 
CaryMacGuy said:
Well what do you think about the idea of letting users run iOS iPad or iPhone apps in Mac OS X? Most of the core services are present in those devices. (except Core Motion).
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iOS apps are designed with a touch interface in mind; Mac OS apps are designed with the mouse/trackpad interface in mind. The worst examples of each are the ones that are badly ported from the other side.

With multitouch trackpads slowly replacing the mouse as the primary OS interface, it'll become closer, but not the same.

.tsooJ
 
Inrianian said:
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Apple has already said that 10.7 Lion was their last version of OS X in one of their Keynotes. They'll be moving on to OS XI or OS 11 after Lion. I assume it'll be touch based, and look much more like iOS.
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If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong) during the keynote (2000 or 2001) where Steve Jobs was speaking about the transistion to OS X he said that he expects OS X to be the next Apple OS for next 20 years. That would mean that 10.7 is the half way point.
 
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