People are acting like it's the end of the world. If they solve the issue, then great, and if they don't, then that doesn't matter, because Apple's ideology is "You'll eat it, and you'll like it".
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Apple Has 'Just Weeks' to Solve iPhone 8 Touch ID Dilemma
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I understand the source, but the language in the report is kind of sickening.. "investors this investors return that". Hey, what about the PHONE USERS? If touchID is gone and FacialID doesn't work great, that's bad news for the users and owners first and foremost. Given Apple's previous track record of making things work great, I would be shocked and saddened if they put out a less than stellar new technology.
Let it. They'll promptly bounce back when the right product with the right features is released to the market. Facial recognition alone is not enough. Can't rush greatness.
Whatever problem there was (if ever there was one), it's either been solved or worked-around by this point. Terrible analysis.
Throughout the day I raise the phone dozens of times to wake it up and see if I have notifications, check the time, etc. Honest question, how would a user friendly facial recognition system know when I just want to see the time and when I want to unlock the phone? Click the wake button + looking at the phone? This would be going backwards as right now I just need to touch the home button. Plus, will it work with shades on, a scarf on? If I grow my beard for a couple of weeks will I have to re-program the facial recognition settings? When I cut it, do I have to do it again? I see so many issues with facial recognition...
Ha. Ha. Is this "article" suppose to be the first installment of a soap opera or the trailer script for a geek action movie? OH no crisis! Apple only has weeks to save the iPhone!
C'mon. The iPhone 8 feature set was likely locked down month ago so that parts could be ordered and production line tooling could be arranged. This isn't a movie, it's real life. Apple can't just add in a complex hardware feature a few weeks before launch. Heck, companies beta test s/w for months before launch and it's still buggy for the first couple of updates after then.
C'mon. The iPhone 8 feature set was likely locked down month ago so that parts could be ordered and production line tooling could be arranged. This isn't a movie, it's real life. Apple can't just add in a complex hardware feature a few weeks before launch. Heck, companies beta test s/w for months before launch and it's still buggy for the first couple of updates after then.
Haha, earnings estimates at risk, yeah right, Apple cares about that sitting on billions.
When that plot thickens and the scraredy-cats dump their stocks everybody will tell us that this is a buying opportunity.
and Apple may buy some stock back cheap.
BTW: My face does not lend itself to be recognized. I like to push buttons (especially people's)
When that plot thickens and the scraredy-cats dump their stocks everybody will tell us that this is a buying opportunity.
and Apple may buy some stock back cheap.
BTW: My face does not lend itself to be recognized. I like to push buttons (especially people's)
what a joke. <looks at phone to check time; phone unlocks> I'm sorry but all of these rumors are ridiculous. touch ID is essential for a high quality user experience with apple pay. unless apple has some secret feature to make that easier, there is no way touch ID is being replaced by 3D facial recognition. and as others have said many times, the hardware for this phone should have been finalized by now. no way a nearly trillion dollar company waits this late in the game to figure out something so important.
I've heard rumors that Apple will be introducing a new chip with the iPhone 8 that will be used with new sensors to identify you by your odor.
My guess is that one tries to open ones iPhone sight unseen a lot more often than one tries to open it whilst wearing gloves (how did you get your phone out of your jeans pocket anyway, wearing those gloves?) Personally, I literally do it dozens of times a day: I pull my phone out of my jeans pocket and unlock it in one motion. There's simply no way 3D facial recognition can be as fast/efficient.
I think if Apple has learned anything in the last year, it's taking their time to try and make better hardware out of the gate. There will always be some issues, but if I was in the market for another iPhone (no, thank goodness!), I would rather wait for them to release the phone they want to make as well as a phone that addresses my particular needs.
Articles like this do read like Apple's iPhone 8 release is doomed if they do not get Touch ID right by such-and-such a date; and while I know that is not the case, that's the perception.
Articles like this do read like Apple's iPhone 8 release is doomed if they do not get Touch ID right by such-and-such a date; and while I know that is not the case, that's the perception.
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I agree that the design is locked months before the release date. But since we don't know the release date, we can't know when it becomes locked.
Will TC say ...
Or not? /s
[I do not believe these rumors, whose only purpose is to maintain artificial suspense, and generate profitable clicks.]
Or not? /s
[I do not believe these rumors, whose only purpose is to maintain artificial suspense, and generate profitable clicks.]
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I agreed. I believe they worked on iPhone 7s almost two years ago and iPhone 8 almost a year ago. I read the article somewhere and it was very interesting read. I'm sure they have it resolved a while back, not couple of weeks ago.
I'm sure this year, they're secretly focusing on working on new iPhone 8s for 2019.
okay, I've got it. Product design act as follow:
there has to be a release date defined by customer and investor expectations.
if company could not produce in time frame (see above) product will be pushed to market to satisfy customer and investors (to keep the time frame)
why not just figure it out right and release that thing next year?
nobody cares …
oh wait, it is the 10th anniversary :-/
there has to be a release date defined by customer and investor expectations.
if company could not produce in time frame (see above) product will be pushed to market to satisfy customer and investors (to keep the time frame)
why not just figure it out right and release that thing next year?
nobody cares …
oh wait, it is the 10th anniversary :-/
This is too late, the hardware specs were probably frozen and sent to the orient by Springtime, the latest.
Every man and his dog in this thread seems to be of the belief that it was “locked down months ago”.
And invariably the rationale is that that’s what happens every year.
But you know what doesn’t happen ever year? These persistent and pretty consistent rumours from very good sources.
And what does happen every year? A slew of leaked parts, starting usually in May. So many parts, and from so many sources, which are so identical that they must be real. And indeed they were real. Yet this year every single leaked component has been debunked, whether it was the fake ‘passport’, or literal dummies made based upon rumours which people are passing off as real.
We are in uncharted territory. I believe it.
And invariably the rationale is that that’s what happens every year.
But you know what doesn’t happen ever year? These persistent and pretty consistent rumours from very good sources.
And what does happen every year? A slew of leaked parts, starting usually in May. So many parts, and from so many sources, which are so identical that they must be real. And indeed they were real. Yet this year every single leaked component has been debunked, whether it was the fake ‘passport’, or literal dummies made based upon rumours which people are passing off as real.
We are in uncharted territory. I believe it.
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Exactly. Over and over we see this same basic scenario where Apple is implementing some kind of change- or not- and, since "we" don't know if Apple is going to actually do it or not, there's all kinds of extremist "I will not buy if..." or "I'll only buy if...". Yet we know that Apple can hit the stage and tout jettisoning very useful tech and/or pushing barely useful tech and, once it becomes clear where Apple wants to go, the fragmented want/don't-want arguments unify around whatever God has decided to push.
Was it not just a few years ago when there was practically an opinion tsunami against buying the new iPhone if it did NOT come with a Sapphire front... until that fell apart and it become clear that Apple wasn't going that way. Do you think all of those people actually did not buy iPhone?
We've thoroughly ridiculed bigger screen phones when 3.5" and 4" was deemed perfect by God, often with a bunch of "I would never want a phablet..." mixed with "pants with bigger pockets" and "man purses" punches... until Apple embraced bigger-screen phones and then we just fell right in line, driving record sales.
We thoroughly ridiculed NFC as "gimmick" until Apple rolled out Apple Pay at which point we wanted to boycott stores that would not let us pay that way.
Last time it was "I am not buying an iPhone without a headphone jack" when that rumor was still in the iffy stage. Then, as it gained steam that Apple was really going to jettison the headphone jack, the chorus began to rationalize it and when it launched, many fell right in line and paid up... even passionately arguing the merits of the dongle and the desperate need to tolerate some customer experience steps backwards to "force" the future forward.
Apple can roll this out with or without touch ID. It doesn't matter. What's causing these extremes is that we still don't know if Apple is really going to do it or not. As soon as we get very confident either way, the bulk will rally around whatever Apple has chosen to do here. The good arguments of why it seems stupid to let touch ID go will evaporate and some amazing arguments for whatever becomes the replacement option will rise. If Apple jettisoned touch ID and couldn't get facial recognition to work well either such they we all have to go back to entering 4 or 6-digit codes, "we" would quickly rally around that option too: "I didn't want thumbprints on my new edge-to-edge glass anyway" and "I always preferred the passcode myself" and so on. "We" are amazing at rationalizing any decision God makes and then we will work very hard for free to reinforce those rationalizations against any heathens who dare to still find any fault with them.
Why work ourselves up? Most of us are buying whatever Apple rolls out. Look again at the headphone jack. Audio quality dropped if we went with "the future" option, dongle required, bluetooth lag, can't readily share audio with someone else, proprietary wired connection, wireless "the future" sold separately, can't charge & play at the same time without buying something else, and so on. What do we do with that? We spin it as "the future" or needing to be done to force "the future" progress and relentlessly gush praise upon that "the future" while suddenly finding many flaws with how Apple had previously delivered audio to our ears for 15+ years (counting pre-iPhone, iPod years). Apparently using a wired 3.5mm connection in an iDevice was fine for 15 years while Apple endorsed that option, but was then "antiquated" as soon as Apple decided to push it's proprietary or inferior (audio quality) alternatives.
Do we actually think this will be different? Keep it or jettison it? Keep it on the front or move it to the back? What's it really matter? As soon as the final decision becomes practically concrete... as soon as God stands on stage and touts whatever He has decided to do with this issue, we'll shift into "shut up and take my money" mode and readily argue for whatever Apple has chosen as the one and only right way for it to be handled going forward (until Apple opts to switch it to something else and then THAT will be the one and only way forward). And the old way will be increasingly criticized.
Same sentiment, different "innovation" (by addition or subtraction), same ultimate outcome: "Shut up and..."
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