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There's a difference between a person not paying taxes because of a loophole and one of the biggest, richest corporations on planet earth not doing it - however I do see the point you are making.


exactly, doesn't apple do the same thing as a company? This whole tax probe is stupid and a waste of time. I bet he payed millions in taxes....smh...
 
Yea, let's teach our youth that because they were born here (which is out of their control), they are entitled to a job first, despite not needing to be more hardworking nor qualified!

Sorry, but if I own a company, I want the best talent, regardless of your nationality, race, or where you were born. Have we also forgotten America was founded on immigration?

the idea that Foreign workers should be able to compete with the jobs of locals is crazy.

First Preference for employment should always go to those who are actively participating in the countries growth. So yes, while it seems nationalistic, someone who is a Citizen of the country should get first priority for employment. Following by legal immigrants 2nd, and then should none of those be available, foreign workers brought in.

for Comparison, This is how Canada handle's foreign workers.

The company hiring must first prove that they could do absolutely nothing to find and hire a local resident first. They must demonstrate they've advertised and interviewed first and only if they can prove that they cannot fill the job with local talent, they can then petition the government to allow them to bring in legally foreign workers to fill those roles on a temporary basis.

The idea of "capitalism" should allow you to hire anyone you want for as cheap as you want is a drive to the bottom, since it's inevitable that companies will be able to find foreign workers from nations with far lower standards of living willing to do the same job for cheaper. it drives wages down for everyone, including the locals.

Sure, it might be good for the business bottom line to bring in cheap foreign labour, but the net result to employment and the economy is negative.

In Addition, there's history of corporations abusing foreign workers programs(Tim Hortons and McDonalds got busted huge for it recently). Especially since they bring these employees in from overseas, pay them less than minimum wages, and then threaten to send them home if they don't work on holidays and vacations.
 
Money, meet toilet.

Seriously, he's going to do what he wants with or without your money. Apple would be better off giving me back all of the money I've spent on its products over the years... well I'd be better off anyway.
 
don't really care....i just want lower taxes and cheaper better health care....

apple is doing what it thinks is right...

Not sure lower taxes and cheaper better health care are a good matchup these days but yeah apple is doing what it thinks is right and we're probably paying a little extra taxes because it thinks it should not pay the domestic corporate rate. not sure what I think about that tbh since i don't want companies to decide it's not worth existing for what they net. otoh that's far from where these behemoths are operating from. so imo apple should bring some light assembly home and eat part of the wage hike it would face on that -- or something similar, make an apprenticeship design program, whatever-- - - in other words "give back" in a way that benefits all of us via an improved workforce, if not going to pay full freight and we as citizens do pay our full taxes.
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...has-trying-to-influence-washington-6-million/

"Google spent the most it ever has in a single quarter trying to influence elected officials in Washington, according to lobbying disclosures made public late Thursday. The past three months have also seen record spending on lobbying by several other major tech companies, including Amazon, Apple and Uber.

Google Inc., according to the disclosure forms, spent $5.93 million between April 1 and June 30, more than any other corporation in the second quarter. That's about 40 percent more than it had spent during the same period last year. The only three entities that doled out more money were large business organizations: the U.S. Chamber of Commerce ($11.68 million), the National Association of Realtors ($10.92 million), and Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America ($6 million)."
 
Tech stocks and the economy disagrees with you. Have you looked at your 401K lately?
Except the majority of the stock market gains comes from fast global growth and the decline of the US dollar. US growth has been stagnant since Trump. Plus none of Trump's proposed reforms are either passed or in effect. So whatever US gains are more the result of the continuation of Obama's policies. The more you know.
 
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How is Apple telling you to live your life? Be specific.

Do you get emails from Tim Cook or Apple? Perhaps it's iOS home screen messages on how you should behave?
Hahaha chill bro. Jobs made very few contributions of this capacity during his time. Cook is just trying to institutionalize his name through these type of actions since he knows he's not an "innovator" as Steve was. This is about legacy, not about doing the right thing.
 
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There's a difference between a person not paying taxes because of a loophole and one of the biggest, richest corporations on planet earth not doing it - however I do see the point you are making.
You're right, there is a difference. Let me ask your opinion of which is worse.
1. A multinational corporation headquartered in the US being accused of underpaying foreign taxes

2. A sitting US president and "claimed" billionaire using one of his previous bankruptcies to skirt paying taxes. We think. Since, you know, we don't actually know his tax situation.;)
 
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You're right, there is a difference. Let me ask your opinion of which is worse.
1. A multinational corporation headquartered in the US being accused of underpaying foreign taxes

2. A sitting US president and "claimed" billionaire using one of his previous bankruptcies to skirt paying taxes. We think. Since, you know, we don't actually know his tax situation.;)

I'm going to go out on a limb and say both of those are really really crappy things to do to the nation they're avoiding paying taxes in.
 
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This has to stop. We vote for politicians to represent us. Not Apple or any other corporation. Us. The people of this country. We need to repeal Citizens United and any other legislation that makes this possible.
 
That sure is a funny photo. Looks like Tim Cook was spliced into it and wasn't actually there!

That was the first thing I thought about, why are they putting a photo of him further down the table in this picture?

Second time I looked ---- oooooooh, he's actually sitting that close. Wow. :p
 
Can you source definitive and objective facts that would render the meetings as having been "productive" and "successful"? I'm not saying it was the opposite, but frankly, you sound like Trump's twitter account.. simply telling people things are "successful" and "going well" without numbers to substantiate.

They certainly sounded productive. There's a lot of articles on Google from June 19th - 23rd, which was the so called "Technology Week."


Excerpt from Bloomberg:

"Apple Chief Executive Officer Tim Cook, who has castigated Trump for his travel ban and the U.S. withdrawal from the Paris climate treaty, responded with praise for Trump’s senior adviser and son-in-law, Jared Kushner, who is leading the administration’s technology sector outreach.

“The U.S. should have the most modern government in the world and today it doesn’t.,” Cook said. “It’s great to see the effort that Jared is putting in in working on things that will pay back in five and 10 and 20 years.”

The meeting Monday of the American Technology Council, which Trump commissioned in May and which is being shepherded by Kushner, kicks off a week of administration events themed on technology.


The agenda featured working sessions on issues including cybersecurity, big data, fraud detection, artificial intelligence and cloud computing, according to a White House document outlining the program."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-on-white-house-for-trump-s-technology-summit


Excerpt from CNBC:

"Cook and others found themselves in Washington, D.C., for the inaugural meeting of the American Technology Council, an effort chartered by Trump in May to upgrade the dated guts of the U.S. government. Building on work that began under Obama, the Trump White House believes federal agencies should behave more like the private sector, not just in the way they buy and use technology but in the services they offer citizens who need to interact with Washington

For the nation's tech heavyweights, however, those reforms aren't just the stuff of a modern, digitally minded government — they're also potential business opportunities. And executives like Cook, Schmidt and Bezos had an opportunity to shape the Trump administration's thinking on those issues during an afternoon of closed-door brainstorming sessions.

A session on cloud computing, for example, featured some of the industry's leading players: Keith Block, the chief operating officer and president of Salesforce, as well as the chiefs of Intel and IBM, multiple sources confirmed to Recode. They discussed the ways the U.S. government can cut down on some 6,000 costly data centers in its control and shift those responsibilities to the private sector, a move that could mean a windfall for any tech company that might someday win such contracts.

The Trump administration also focused on federal procurement — and it devoted a brainstorming workshop to the sort of reforms the White House can proffer to make it easier for the U.S. government to buy the most cutting-edge tools on the market."


https://www.google.com/amp/www.cnbc...ed-with-trump-at-white-house-tech-summit.html
 
Run for local office, or at least encourage and actively support local candidates. Democracy starts at home. Your city/town needs your expertise; volunteer for local boards and commission. It is amazing how complex local government has become and it so desperately needs smart and educated people to help.
We have democratically elected officials, not a democracy. Democracy means majority can tell the minority what to do, which is what we have been turned into, effectively. Our system was designed as a constitutional republic, which we need to get back to, 1 main purpose, protect your citizens rights, not trample them for "safety".

I agree with what you are saying about changing the local governments, thats where the road to fixing this country begins.
 
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Except the majority of the stock market gains comes from fast global growth and the decline of the US dollar. US growth has been stagnant since Trump. Plus none of Trump's proposed reforms are either passed or in effect. So whatever US gains are more the result of the continuation of Obama's policies. The more you know.
Shh, Don't confuse them they're dizzy from chanting #MAGA ;)
 
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Instead of coming up with some innovating like Steve Jobs he rather waste money on a orange clow and the Circus Party. Instead of moving technology to the future let's slow it down and let Corporations fill their wallets while us consumers who love technology have to wait for Trump to be no longer president. Bad the new Chairman for FCC literally looks like a donkey is an ass (pardon my language) and now Trump appoints another corporate doosh who is a Trump loyalist, might as well call the current administration a Trump Cult.
 
They wouldn't be spending so much money if they'd stop lobbying for stupid **** like climate change, diversity, green technology, education, and accessibility (whatever that means), and keep the focus on important stuff like corporate tax reform, patent reform, licensing, and medical regulations, which, if I seem to recall, oh yeah, the Trump admin. has repeatedly stated they want to reform and work with industry on these things to help improve the business climate in the US. Geez.
 
They should have spent more of that money on software development and getting the damn bugs out of their freaking operating systems. Come on Tim! You want to waste money? Don't give it to republicans, or democrats, give it to ME!!!
 
Apple has lobbied the government for corporate tax reform, climate change, diversity in the workplace, green technology, patent reform, privacy, education, accessibility, music licensing, and regulation of mobile medical applications, but NOT net neutrality?! I see something wrong with this picture. Most of that **** isn't worth lobbying for. Wait for the flood of ISPs charging apple users to use iMessage. Remeber when they blocked iMessage from being used? Good grief.
 
The extra money Tim is spending is proof that Trump can not be bought the way Obama was. Keep trying Tim!!!


Are you sure? Trump most likely stealing money from big corporations like Apple wonder why he is hiding his tax returns and wanting to pardon his family?
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Trump used technology to get elected.


Russian Technology to be more accurate.
 
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