Apple Has 'Very Serious' DMA Issues, EU to Enforce Rules 'Soon'

[Zest28]

Funny thing is, PC gamers hate that their games are locked behind separate "App Stores" rather than being able to buy everything from Steam. So this change is not good for the consumers.

Spotify is the most dominant market player, so I'm not even sure why the EU is protecting Spotify as if they need any help from the government.

 

[AndiG]

Sure they can. It's their land, their laws. Apple can choose to do business or not.

You know that there is no such thing like „Apple“ which can decide anything, right? Apple belongs to millions of shareholder and Tim is just an employee with the duty to care about the shareholders money.

If the shareholders loose money because Apple did not comply with DMA, knowingly or pulls out from the EU - the shareholders can and will sue Apple and Tim - especially. This will be a really bad day for Tim. Of course there are insurances for managers, but knowingly violating the DMA or canceling business in the EU? Insurances don‘t like to pay and they won‘t if they find any reason.

 

[Mr. Nice]

Apple needs to leave the EU

And what about China? They make their own specifications and Apple does EVERYTHING without saying a word.

the eu regulates tech as much as it does because its own sector can’t compete with anything coming out of the states, japan, s.korea and china

Strange that Japan will follow the EU steps. And I am sure:
South Korea will do the same in the future.


It's funny:
Apple wants to sell in the EU. But the fans in the usa have a problem when the EU makes demands. But when a foreign company comes to the US, they should play by the rules. 🥳

There have been enough reports over here about how Apple has avoided taxes on profits in the EU!

You have the hearings in the US itself: the CEOs of Apple, Amazon, Meta...had to testify.
And quite honestly: none of them cut a good figure. None of them can be trusted.

 

[Zmmyt]

Does Apple ask for any money from developers that provide software for MacOS?

 

[ApostolisApo]

Apple needs to leave the EU

Yes, look how well it went for Britain 😀

 

[boss.king]

You know that there is no such thing like „Apple“ which can decide anything, right? Apple belongs to millions of shareholder and Tim is just an employee with the duty to care about the shareholders money.

This is just being obtuse. Apple as a company, a collection of shareholders, an entity, whatever you want to call it, can absolutely make decisions about how it operates. There might be repercussions internally if those decisions hurt them or the shareholders enough, but they will still be the decisions of Apple as a company.

If Tim Cook & Co. can demonstrate to the board how they see pulling out of the EU would be the right move (financially, reputationally, legally, etc) they could absolutely do it. I don't see that happening because I think it would be a fundamentally terrible move for Apple on many fronts, but it's not like this is completely impossible. Businesses are just collections of people, and people do dumb stuff all the time.

 

[koruki]

When you can't compete in tech or price you regulatax. What an absolutel joke, maybe just go back to being a tourist destination full of old buildings.

 

[Frantisekj]

the eu regulates tech as much as it does because its own sector can’t compete with anything coming out of the states, japan, s.korea and china

I do not think we have any such sector lol

 

[stinksroundhere]

the eu regulates tech as much as it does because its own sector can’t compete with anything coming out of the states, japan, s.korea and china

The EU overlords are masters at human trafficking cheap labour into the continent and fomenting trouble for themselves and the poorest. Living their pockets with dirty money and selling golden passports to criminals too.

 

[mejsric]

"daily worldwide revenue (upwards of $1 billion)"

xàxàxà.. i knew it.

 

[castor]

Vestager - from her tiny constituency - is still mad about this; ‘Devastating’ court loss cripples Vestager’s corporate tax crusade?

 

[stinksroundhere]

I do not think we have any such sector lol

Even the farmers are pissed off.

 

[Mrkevinfinnerty]

Said it before, this will be Tim Cooks legacy. This will be, at least in part, what people will remember him for.

Sure he's done wonders for the stock price but the chasing of services revenue to keep wall street sweet has been an error in judgement i think.

Should have just focussed on making great products, that's what made Apple a great company.

 

[RiderX]

I live in EU. We daily suffer from these unelected functionaries. And it’s not getting better.

 

[Frantisekj]

I personally don’t plan on side loading apps. But at what point is Apple just going to have to open up iOS to be like macOS where I can download any app I wanted from any source without Apple involvement.

I also not sure I will sideloade any app. I would consider free Telegram if it would be free of censorship but what I would really welcome would be:

• ability to add any of my free audio content i have directly into Music app on iOS without need to use computer
• ability to use other app as default translation service withing iOS as Apple will never serve rest of the world. They are simply not interested in small countries even we would all use iPhones.
• add third party Text to speach voices unless Apple will provide male and female variant for all languages.
• and maybe other I can not remember now.

 

[NZP]

EU don’t even know what they’re talking about. Why don’t they make their own OS and cell phones?

 

[ninecows]

Apple needs to leave the EU

Sure. Just give up on +400 mio potential users.

 

[contacos]

The European laws aren't about apple customer rights. They are about businesses being limited in various ways within dominant platforms.

The EC isn't saying the DMA compliance is insufficient because they did a street poll of iPhone users. They are fielding complaints from European developers who say Apple's changes still leave them frustrated.

Treating Spotify as an example: why should I care about whether they are taking credit card numbers in the application vs opening a browser? Would the option to take them in-app without any payment to Apple have convinced Spotify to not do their last two price increases? Will they roll those prices back down if they get the ability take credit card #s in-app?

You said it yourself, the DMA was never meant to affect the end user / customer, it was set up to level the playing field for BUSINESSES. It is just a "side effect" that the end user "may" get something out of it. It was not made and never meant for the end user in mind at all.

 

[contacos]

When you can't compete in tech or price you regulatax. What an absolutel joke, maybe just go back to being a tourist destination full of old buildings.

Didn't the US just impose a 100 % tax on Chinese EV?

 

[tomtad]

China is getting charged for their EV products 48% tariffs. EU is pissing off the world with their hate of the world besides what's within EU limits.

What about protecting domestic manufacturers against heavily subsidised vehicles flooding the market do you disagree with exactly?

 

[davide_eu]

It's a bunch of bureaucrats deciding how tech should work. They will screw it up eventually. Forcing companies to comply with imaginary standards and rules based on nothing more than - greed. They want a bunch of tech to be available,eto any developer in Europe. And we ALL know how Europe leads the world in consumer tech...not.

Stop saying this lie... EU is a democratic organization. You can like or dislike, but it is the expression of the European Citizens.

Europe is the land of freedom, but freedom doesn't mean "unregulated".

 

[Gabebear]

Enough with the EU doing endless attacks on North American countries. It's time to ban all wine from France and Italy. Lol. Ok, seriously. It would really hurt both sides since American wine is borderline at best.

You actually prefer French and Italian wine? The cheaper exported bottles from the EU are actual garbage and the expensive wine is outclassed by wines from Washington state in the US, Argentina, Australia and a handful of other great wine producing regions.

What’s fun is that all European vineyards use American root stock to grow grapes. This happened in the late 1800s(so relatively recently as far as wine is concerned). Oddly, real “European” wine mostly comes from Chile, where the blight that destroyed Europe’s rootstock hasn’t done as much damage. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_French_Wine_Blight

 

[davide_eu]

I live in EU. We daily suffer from these unelected functionaries. And it’s not getting better.

Because you live in EU you should study better how EU works. Just for mu info, in which EU country do you live?

 

[redbeard331]

This multi-national crime spree is finally coming to an end!

Edit: This actually upset some people? Really?

 

[AndiG]

This is just being obtuse. Apple as a company, a collection of shareholders, an entity, whatever you want to call it, can absolutely make decisions about how it operates. There might be repercussions internally if those decisions hurt them or the shareholders enough, but they will still be the decisions of Apple as a company.

If Tim Cook & Co. can demonstrate to the board how they see pulling out of the EU would be the right move (financially, reputationally, legally, etc) they could absolutely do it. I don't see that happening because I think it would be a fundamentally terrible move for Apple on many fronts, but it's not like this is completely impossible. Businesses are just collections of people, and people do dumb stuff all the time.

Now you got the point. The EU is one of Apple's biggest markets and Apple is losing ground in China. Plus, Apple is struggling with AI right now. Do you want to see the share price fall by 50%?

But every time someone jumps out and claims "leave the EU, leave the EU"! That may be emotional, but it's utter nonsense. Apply will comply and I suspect you are aware of that too.