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Apple Has 'Very Serious' DMA Issues, EU to Enforce Rules 'Soon'

Beautyspin said:
The BS about not being the only OS in town, not having majority of the Marketshare in the region, etc., will fly in the US. The EU rightfully considers only iOS as a market and there is no competition for Apple there. Unfortunately, you cannot lobby the EU like you can in the US (using payment) and hence frustration.
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And you didn’t address the fact iOS has been around how long, pretty much exact same rules all that time.

Why now is it suddenly bad?
 
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m4mario said:
A change in American Government will naturally lead to US banning anything and everything originating out of EU. And pull out of NATO as well. If EU wants to wage a war on American companies, America should respond in kind.
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Haha yeah the US should do that. Because apple is more important than EU is to the US. Absolute peak comment.

The takes in here are just beyond ridiculous.
 
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If the world is going to shift to AR/VR soon anyway then the EU and other world governments ending the iPhone gravy train isn't such a big deal anyway. Yeah it'll cost billions, but we'll all be using Vision and Meta soon anyway if you ask Tim Cook and Mark Zuckerberg.
 
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While I agree with the point behind this, I don't believe it should be implemented via fines but from market control i.e. you have to stop selling by date X unless you comply. The EU is not looking good on the fines front, especially with very negative public opinion on Chat Control and large corruption scandals.

I guarantee that the end game is someone finds bias or private interests and wants their money back and then things get interesting.
 
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wbeasley said:
And you didn’t address the fact iOS has been around how long, pretty much exact same rules all that time.

Why now is it suddenly bad?
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And you didn’t address the fact that Apple behaviour is under investigation at least for ten years now. The DMA was made to force gatekeepers to play nice on the european market, that’s all.

Apple can still generate tons of money, but it has to enter competition.
 
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Maclver said:
I personally don’t plan on side loading apps. But at what point is Apple just going to have to open up iOS to be like macOS where I can download any app I wanted from any source without Apple involvement.
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Apple wants a cut of any transaction that happens on an iOS device. Whether you were buying an app, a song, paying for a cheeseburger, or buying hangers from a store on the internet. That's the real reason behind all this crap.

The really hard part here is that you have to take the bad with the good. Apple used their Apple-ness to bully carriers into iPhones without carrier bloatware. No iPhone has ever shown a T-Mobile animation and played the T-Mobile jingle when you started it up. There's no such thing. Thank goodness! Unfortunately this mess with side loading and vendor-lock-in every step of the way is what we get instead. X_X
 
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JPack said:
It's a no-brainer. The $0.50 CTF was completely non-compliant. Anybody with half a brain who read the text of the DMA knows this.

It's clear Apple wants to take this to the courthouse rather than legitimately abide by EU rules. I get it, Apple hates sideloading and alternative app stores because they lose that 30% cut. If Apple wants to play in the EU, they have to abide by the law.
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The EC can't regulate a business to give away their products; they can only just say "nope, try again" indefinitely.
 
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wbeasley said:
And you didn’t address the fact iOS has been around how long, pretty much exact same rules all that time.

Why now is it suddenly bad?
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They needed a new mechanism to rein in the Big Tech as the current laws have proven to be inefficient. Countries make new laws all the time. Even the US is trying to get a new law passed to do the same, but it may not happen as the politicians can be easily bought there.
 
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ThailandToo said:
Why do people defend Apple other than shareholders? Customers are far better off having options.
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The European laws aren't about apple customer rights. They are about businesses being limited in various ways within dominant platforms.

The EC isn't saying the DMA compliance is insufficient because they did a street poll of iPhone users. They are fielding complaints from European developers who say Apple's changes still leave them frustrated.

Treating Spotify as an example: why should I care about whether they are taking credit card numbers in the application vs opening a browser? Would the option to take them in-app without any payment to Apple have convinced Spotify to not do their last two price increases? Will they roll those prices back down if they get the ability take credit card #s in-app?
 
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leehericks said:
The phone is not a computer. Our lives now revolve around the phone. There is an incredible amount of personal information on them and we deserve to have an option which is focused on security and privacy. I think this is a failing of the EU. Require USB-C fine. But telling a company to open up their appliance to lose control of enforcing security and privacy is bad. If people want an open phone there are plenty of alternatives. Why should the rest of us who like our iPhones as they are suffer?
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Why would you suffer, If you only want to use the appstore for installs nothing changes to how it was previously to you
 
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Omg the comments here show so much ignorance and lack of information… even though I personally hate the idea of alternate app stores, I think from a general perspective the EU is doing the right thing here. Funny how now suddenly everybody hates on the EU- where were the complaints when they forced Apple to finally give us USB C??
 
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sputnikv said:
the eu regulates tech as much as it does because its own sector can’t compete with anything coming out of the states, japan, s.korea and china
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There is regulation, and then there is protectionism. I’d say the US is the most protectionist of all the countries in the world. Entire sections of the economy wouldn’t exist if it weren’t for federal support and protection.

I mean each country and trade bloc looks after its own. Would people expect it to be any other way?
 
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Funny thing is, PC gamers hate that their games are locked behind separate "App Stores" rather than being able to buy everything from Steam. So this change is not good for the consumers.

Spotify is the most dominant market player, so I'm not even sure why the EU is protecting Spotify as if they need any help from the government.
 
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