..great idea, then we could revive Nokia and keep our money inside the EU
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Apple Has 'Very Serious' DMA Issues, EU to Enforce Rules 'Soon'
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boss.king
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That's all of Europe, but the EU is a subset of Europe that accounts for closer to an estimated 7%. Still a big hit if they lost it, but not anywhere near 24%.
contacos
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The US is doing literally the same thing. It would be silly not to protect your „own“ in a global economical competition that we are in right now.
A lot of ‘Blame the EU’ posts here, but this time Apple actually seems to be dumb and reckless. Apparently they’re abusing the (what should be automated) notarization process to withhold apps from appearing in alternative App Marketplaces. Something they clearly agreed not to do. See: https://sixcolors.com/link/2024/06/apple-refuses-to-notarize-emulator-app/
If they’re indeed in violation, this could really hurt business and Cook’s days at Apple might be over. Why? I don’t think the board is gonna stand behind Cook for risking a 10% revenue fine for something very minor.
If they’re indeed in violation, this could really hurt business and Cook’s days at Apple might be over. Why? I don’t think the board is gonna stand behind Cook for risking a 10% revenue fine for something very minor.
US just slammed Chinese cars with 100% import duty, because of unfair state subsidies.
It's called creating a "level playing field", IOS is not a level playing field - ask Spotify or Epic Games
Fried_Gold
macrumors 68040
Often people seem to think EU = Europe. Many people I know thought that when the UK left the EU we were no longer in Europe. 😅
Would it make you happier if they said they’ll penalise them for 50% of Apple’s revenue in just EU then? Lol
They literally just have to follow the law like everyone else. It’s ridiculous apple fanboys are defending this ****. Apple are being scummy af.
ApplesAreSweet&Sour
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I don’t know about you guys. But I must confess that:
And soon the rest of the world will follow in the EU’s footsteps.
Apple is being backed into a corner with no way out but complying to the law.
And if not.. it will be fined upwards of one billion dollars!!
And soon the rest of the world will follow in the EU’s footsteps.
Apple is being backed into a corner with no way out but complying to the law.
And if not.. it will be fined upwards of one billion dollars!!
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SomnambulantSurgeon
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This will come down to a lot of arguing in courts - with Apple claiming they have complied with the letter of the law and the Competition Commissioner trying to demonstrate they have not abided by the spirit of the law (which they plainly haven't).
But then the EC is being a bit silly here. Within Europe, Apple commands a much much lower market share than in the US. And the EC, being a collection of well-paid civil servants, may not have reality firmly in their grasp. The things they ask for wouldn't make a lot of sense for anyone.
one more
macrumors 603
Those 7% relate to the App Store revenue, but if you add on the hardware sales, services, etc. this number will grow:
Apple says the EU accounts for just 7% of its global App Store revenue - 9to5Mac
During Apple’s Q1 2024 earnings call with analysts and investors today, CEO Tim Cook and CFO Luca Maestri commented on...
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Besides, do not discount the other countries, mentioned in my post you quote, including the US.
Don’t agree with Apple’s stance but it does look watertight acceptable based on the law the EU wrote. Can’t be blamed for poor drafting.
You can’t enforce “spirit”, just letter.
You can’t enforce “spirit”, just letter.
cicalinarrot
macrumors 65816
People here seem to love abuses of dominant position, at least when Apple does it.
Those 7% relate to the App Store revenue, but if you add on the hardware sales, services, etc. this number will grow:
Apple says the EU accounts for just 7% of its global App Store revenue - 9to5Mac
During Apple’s Q1 2024 earnings call with analysts and investors today, CEO Tim Cook and CFO Luca Maestri commented on...
Besides, do not discount the other countries, mentioned in my post you quote, including the US.
That’s not 7% of global revenue, just App Store revenue. They don’t sell as much iPhones in the EU, Android is very dominant there.
Michary
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To those here against EU regulation.. Just a thought experiment:
If iOS and Android where from Chinese based companies. And they make up rules which apps are allowed in the store, according to Chinese values and principals.
Would the US just sit there, and say: thats cool, you invented it, you can do what you believe its right.
If iOS and Android where from Chinese based companies. And they make up rules which apps are allowed in the store, according to Chinese values and principals.
Would the US just sit there, and say: thats cool, you invented it, you can do what you believe its right.
one more
macrumors 603
Apple’s implementation of the DMA was just a legal farce with no real-world benefits to users. Most controversial points being the .50€ fee per install and Apple’s notarization.
Once again, if Apple made iOS and iPadOS work like macOS with regards to apps installation process, the EU and others would have to drop the complaints.
Every time apple chooses not to follow the rules, a plethora of thoughtful and clever fellows recommend apple to leave the EU market.
Luckily for apple, they are not in charge.
Luckily for apple, they are not in charge.
In such scenario… Apple should allow to configure and fully use the Apple Watch:
Time For The Apple Watch to Separate From The iPhone
It’s Time for the Apple Watch to Break Free From the iPhone
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The EU/Europe once again has the world on the brink of war. Why don’t they fix that first before acting like a cartel to get money for free from tech companies.
As a consumer, I’m not really sure what we’re clinging on to. I stopped buying iPhone apps when they all became rip off subscriptions. And they all became rip off subscriptions with Apple’s basically “free” generous Xcode licenses and development software.
If Microsoft pulled this crap with Windows everybody would lose their minds. Apple has been doing it since 2008 and everybody is ok with it.
I don’t get it.
I will never understand why people defend companies like Apple for their behavior. Like foot soldiers, they talk as if there's something in it for them. They don't get it that "the government" actually works for the people, not against them.
They buy overpriced devices and ignore the fact, that Apples only goal is to destroy all competition in their market. Which of course leads to even higher prices.
I love the EU, please go on kicking aggressive companies' asses!
They buy overpriced devices and ignore the fact, that Apples only goal is to destroy all competition in their market. Which of course leads to even higher prices.
I love the EU, please go on kicking aggressive companies' asses!
d5aqoëp
macrumors 68000
Apple needs to leave the world while they are at it. Why stop at EU?
This Core Technology c*** will never be tolerated.
m4mario
macrumors 6502a
A change in American Government will naturally lead to US banning anything and everything originating out of EU. And pull out of NATO as well. If EU wants to wage a war on American companies, America should respond in kind.
contacos
macrumors 603
Apple is very good at branding and marketing. Somehow they made everyone believe that they are the only ones to be trusted with their data on the World Wide Web even though they are just another channel of many at the end of the day.
Sometimes I wonder if the same people never buy plane tickets online for example. They also have your personal data!
At the end of the day, the problem always sits in front of the computer so to speak.
AndiG
macrumors 65816
Apple already knows that it is violating the DMA. All of this „Core Technology Fee“ was just a test and it failed.