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Apple Highlights iPad Pro Reviews
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There's not point there. Who cares if a $50 device has some feature. It's not like you'll want to use it, ever, for anything including watching YouTube.
It's like saying a Smart Car has great fuel economy. Who cares? It's a Smart Car.
I think we need to differentiate the use cases being discussed and understand that cloud services have greatly evened the playing field. Expensive does not means best choice.
Many of the people I know don't use their personal computers to make money. For the vast majority of their use case, yes, a cheap tablet or Chromebook, combined with a smartphone is the perfect choice for them. Photography? They are outsourcing to Apple, Amazon, Flikr, Facebook, or Google to have their AIs take care of the organization and creation of albums and effects they don't have the skill, time, or inclination to do.
They aren't submitting papers to professional organizations that require specific applications. Whether they build a document in Word, Pages, Google Docs, Evernote or anything else doesn't matter. Same with simple spreadsheets and presentations they might create for their family vacation plans or a church function.
The most expensive laptop, loaded with the most expensive software would not only be overkill for them, it would make them less efficient.
Again, sales aren’t declining. We have the data. Revenue up 20%.
~2 million more iPhones sold in F2018 than F2017. Facts only.
Since you are quick with facts in hand: can you please provide facts about iPad sales 4th quarter 2018 vs 2017 as well? As this thread is about the iPad and one has to assume, that the original poster was referring to iPad sales? Pretty please?
I think iPad in terms of units was slightly down on year on year base. It is however substantially up if you take 3 year period. Now with new Pros, probably sales will grow again. It is not some desperate situation though.
So if you didn't have your iPad Pro how would you have gotten your task done? Hours?
Also, you need a better VNC client.
Sure, iPad sales down 6%, but only simpletons view this as negative because astute investors know iPad was refreshed in Jun 2017, giving FQ42017 a full quarter of refreshed iPads, whereas the new iPad Pro was not released until November this year. You’re comparing a brand new product in a category versus a year old product.
Let’s check back next quarter on iPad sales. This is one reason why you can’t compare quarters with Apple as easily, because product refresh cycles down always line up Q/Q.
Also check the context I quoted again. He was referring to iPhone.
A million reasons, but i will give you one: “option”.
I, like others, appreciate options, regardless of what our lord and savior Jobs and his disciples cook, yve and the rest of the merry band wants to shove down our collective throats.
Another beauty of options is, if you have it, but dont need it or want it, then you dont use it.
Why blind corporations white knights insist to do not use logical and critical thinking instead of just going out as unpaid enforcers of corporations bad decisions?
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Have you ever done any SERIOUS excel work without a mouse cursor? I mean proper, accounting-level Excel work... Well, let me tell you: pegging a million little cells with your finger is the most nerve-wrecking experience in the world!
The iPad "Pro" likes to portray itself as a laptop-grade alternative for professionals... Well, in that case it MUST provide laptop-grade tools, for Pete's sake! Both mouse support and a real file management system are a MUST to become a true laptop replacement.
Ok, you want to use a mouse on a tablet because you want option? Great! But why stop there? Since we all want options (as crazy as some of them may be) why stop there? How about a mouse on an iPhone? Or even further, how about a mouse on an Apple Watch? (speaking of Apple Watch and options, I still remember the crazy comments here about the lack of headphone jack on the Apple Watch original series) How about you add a trackpad to this list? I mean why not, options right??
That's right! It doesn't work because it is absolutely stupid! iOS interface is not designed with a mouse in mind! It is a completely different design language from the OS X. The idea behind it is you do exactly same things you do on the desktop/ laptop, but in a different way. So you don't use a mouse or trackpad but you use the multi-touch gestures and pencil.
There is a reason why trains don't drive on roads and cars don't drive on rails. But they all are capable of traveling from A to B.
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Ah, you must know something we don't. Care to share the facts?
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That is not a fair evaluation. I’ve read the reviews and they are almost all very positive. Do some express reservations? Sure, mostly in regards to price and the ability to fully replace a computer for all users, both of which are valid points. But Apple has every right to cite these as positive reviews, which most are.
PRECISELY!
If things haven’t changed lately, you still can’t select two non adjacent columns/cells on iPP’s Excel.
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- iPhone and Apple Watch have totally different business cases than an iPP.
- Apple itself advertised the iPad as a Laptop, Textbook, and Paperwork replacement. See here.
- A trackpad would be an HW change. No one is asking to add any piece of HW but to use what is already available and standard (Bluetooth). We’re asking to use a bluetooth mouse (and ironically a bluetooth trackpad should someone want) which would be mostly an OS implementation.
- The fact that iOS is not designed with a mouse in mind in 2018, when there is competition and when portability and workflow enhancement is not the main justification for a $1000+ Pro device is Apple’s fault, not the customer’s.
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It is nobody's fault and it is actually a great thing that Apple is not that mad to even think of having a mouse on a tablet. You guys probably don't realise how redicilous you sound when you talk about a mouse on a tablet! And I think you don't even understand what Apple means by replacing a laptop with the tablet. iPad can replace a tablet (certainly not completely there yet) by doing things laptops do but in a different way. Just because you use a mouse on a laptop, it doesn't mean you should use it on an iPad. There are so many things wrong with that, I don't even know where to start?? For starters, iPad are not used on the same way as laptops or desktops are used. I am sure you don't use your desktop computer on your sofa, like you would use the iPad. You use mouse only when you are on on a flat table or desk but me personally I never use iPad that way because they are lightweight and can be used anywhere. I use my iPad when I am on my sofa, on my bed, on my chair and very rarely on a desk where you could use a mouse. That's why you get an apple pencil. Arguably way better then mouse, more versatility, you can do lot more then mouse does because it is specifically designed for a tablet. And yet you guys ask for a mouse on iPad. Kind of reminds me of "We want faster horses" from the automobile revolution.
Speaking of iPad replacing the desktop, for me it almost have. All I need is few more fully fledged pro apps designed for iPad (like Final Cut Pro X, Adobe Aftereffects and desktop version of Lighroom)
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Jesus, do you realize that an iPad Pro is basically... a laptop? You know, it’s not magical. It can be used differently thanks to the touch functions, but at the end of the day most people certainly use it in widescreen mode, with a Keyboard, and maybe a pencil. A facultative mouse next to it to be used within apps does not eliminate, nor reduce any of the current functionalities of a tablet. Actually it might help for those who have to constantly move around things. Or it might not. The limitation is purely a sofrware limiation, with no hardware reasoning behind it.
The main difference and limiting factor between an iPad Pro and a full fledged laptop is iOS. That’s it. Stop making it sound like an iPad is a mythical device that has nothing to do with what existed before its arrival.
Indeed it is. Let us not forget that it is using the same operating system than a phone...
I mean, how on Earth should a mega powerful 12.9" device be powered by the same OS than a 5.8" pocket device?! The OS is the only thing holding back the iPad Pro from reaching its true potential
A lot of people can’t see past their own nose. "Productivity" is often limited to programming, excel, and CAD, as if no other type of profession exists.
I would argue that an iPad can serve as an alternative to a laptop, rather than a replacement. There is this obsession that the iPad somehow has to able to replicate every aspect of a Mac, and that it is somehow overwhelmingly useless for the majority just because it can't do something that a minority of users might want to actually do on a computer.
The iPhone can do some of the tasks that a Mac can (and potentially costs even more than a Mac these days). Do people ever argue that the iPhone is crippled because it can't replace a PC?
My Apple Watch can do some of the tasks my iPhone can. Do people castigate the watch for not being able to replace a phone?
Likewise, my screwdriver isn't useless just because it can't be used to hammer in nails.
In the same vein, the iPad is designed to take on some of the tasks than a computer can do, while also allowing the user to perform some tasks better than they ever could on a conventional computer. Its purpose is to challenge users to rethink what a computer can do, not replace it entirely.
I mean, seriously, I work on excel and google sheet documents only intermittently, and I am perfectly content to wait till I am at home so I can get them done on my 5k iMac. That I can't work on spreadsheets as easily on my iPad doesn't obviate the fact that I am nevertheless still able to use it for a ton of other stuff (both productive and recreational) that don't really require cursor support.
And heck, if it's file management you want, dropbox + documents has solved this issue (for most part) since like...2013?
The iPad pro is a tablet and iPad has been a tablet since the original one. Laptops are laptops, tablets are tablets. Laptop is not a tablet, and tablet is not a laptop. Just like car is a car and bus is a bus! Just because they do similar stuff, that does not make them same cadegory. They are designed to make similar work on a different way. One is designed with the use of mouse and physical keyboard in mind, the other one with the use of multi touch display and pencil. Why would anyone want to use a tablet to mimic the use of laptop (keyboard, monitor and mouse) is beyond me. I would just go ahead and buy laptop if I was after that cluster. I use iPad because is portable, and can use it just about anywhere without the need for much space. I don't even buy a physical keyboard (for the sake of making it look like a laptop) just iPad and Apple pencil for precise editing. If I have Apple pencil, why would I want to add a mouse that is much more limited to things it does then pencil and would only be usable when I am on a table/desk) I want to be able to do everything I do on a laptop, but not in a similar way as I would do it on a laptop. If I want a similar way, then there are laptops I could buy. There are plenty of laptops with touch displays and I find them just as silly as the idea of having a mouse on a tablet.
Is iOS limited on iPads? Sure it is. It needs to be lot more open to allow productivity on a tablet but the lack of mouse is not one of these limitations. I believe you will never get a mouse on an iPad Pro, just the idea of having one on it is so laughable but frankly coming from people in this forum that does not surprise me. I have been using this forum long enough to not be shocked anymore.