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LOL yep. first time ever, apple will release an OS for a device halfway through cycle.

haha if a new OS of considerably more power was to emerge, it would be next WWDC.
Which will be followed by a new iPad.

If Apple was to do that, they would include one or two features in that OS, which the iPad 2018 wouldnt have the 'hardware capability' for, and would force customers to upgrade to iPad 2019.

I believe there is 0 chance a mid-life OS will come out for this iPad.

Yeah, that's a possible marketing strategy to maintain demand in the market place (except that Apple's OSupgrades are almost always reasonably backwards-compatible). But to pull this off, your new processor/OS combo would have to be able to enable new tasks that a reasonably large number people might actually want to do, and that might not be so easy.

Admittedly the advent of g5 telephony is going to sell a lot of iPhones, at least until people wake up to the fact that it's going to be quite a few years before the availability of g5 is much more than merely theoretical and in the near future won't have very much impact on their lives.

Why? Various reasons. Back during WWII the Germans exercised a system of central control over their U-boats worldwide and this required the use of ultra-long wave radio technology because the longer the wavelength the longer distance a signal can travel. Same principle applies to telephony, the g5 wavelength is going to be a LOT shorter than the g4 one. This will translate into a need for a huge number of new microwave towers spaced much closer together in order to cover any given area, and this in turn will translate into the need for a huge capital outlay to establish a viable infrastructure. Don't hold your breath for this to happen any time soon, especially in a country whose government has traditionally shown zero interest in investing taxpayer money to help speed things up.
 
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yes I wish they would add native mouse support as android does... its just a pointer and a scroll nothing more. I have a citrix mouse that connects bluetooth to the ipad, in the ipad it doesnt know what it is but once you use citrix you have full mouse in your sessions.

just wish the main OS would let you do it..I think mouse support and a REAL file system are holding this back as a PC replacement. now I still use my ipad for home and work. it would just be easier with the mouse and file system.
 
This is probably due to Google limiting the max resolution it can show. They did something like this in the past when banned mobile from going fullscreen, I noticed this in in iOS browsers, not PCs. ProTube for iOS had 4K If I am not mistaken, so this must be Google’s fault.

No, it’s because Apple refuse to support VP9 codec.

*its a royalty free codec. By Google.
 
He did during the migration to Intel CPUs and when they introduced Boot Camp. "Hell froze over" was the quote he showed in the keynote back then.
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It most certainly is easier to justify having spent 50 USD on a device that's good for nothing than it is to justify having spent over a thousand bucks on a device that's also good for nothing. There are only a fistful of use cases for tablets beyond ebook reading and web surfing in bed or on the couch.
Value is personal and not everyone thinks $1000 for a device constantly in their hands is a lot.
 
Neither Excel nor mouse are needed for a normal consumer (or even a small business for that matter).

Apple Numbers or Google Docs are quite good for basic business tasks.

iPad is primarily for art, music, drawing and painting, word processing, email etc. It can be good for sketching, I didn't try but also for music creation (some big artists use iPhone/iPad for beat composing).

I can use Excel and 1000 column tables on dedicated hardware setup.

And I don't miss Excel on iPad, even though it is available.

This must be a joke. You are actually saying that on a $1000+ PRO device strong Excel functionality is not a requirement?
And you really suggest that on my PRO device I use numbers or Google Docs for *basic* business tasks?
This is insane.
 
This must be a joke. You are actually saying that on a $1000+ PRO device strong Excel functionality is not a requirement?
And you really suggest that on my PRO device I use numbers or Google Docs for *basic* business tasks?
This is insane.

What is so surprising about that? “Pro” devices are a broad scale and many professional industries don’t require a bells and whistles spreadsheet system at all.

The iPad Pro is clearly catered mainly at a demographic that has little use of one.
 
What is so surprising about that? “Pro” devices are a broad scale and many professional industries don’t require a bells and whistles spreadsheet system at all.

The iPad Pro is clearly catered mainly at a demographic that has little use of one.

Then the iPad Pro will fail in the long run. Excel is a standard in virtually every business, government, and tech environment. It’s heavily used.
To translate the business case you just made: “buy a Surface.”

I guess we are going back to the “Apple is for artists” mentality. Sad.
 
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Any idea why we didn't get a Gold i Pad Pro 12.9 this time around kinda disapointed.

That will be the revolutionary new color with the next iPad Pro update released in 2019.

(But seriously, I'm surprised there is no gold color to go along with the Xs/Xs Max colors)
 
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Just like my 2017 iMac :(

With iMac 2017 you have the option to boot camp Linux or Windows to fully utilize VP9 4K 10bit hardware decode capability of Intel Kaby Lake unlike iOS devices where you're locked out and have no other option.
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In a search for why this may be, it appears the terms of licensing this royalty free codec requires the licensee to agree to no patent litigation against Google’s WebM efforts. Not sure if this would be a reason, but it’s the only unusual language I see in implementing VP9. Maybe Apple wishes to leave the door open, as any patent litigation results in a revoking of the VP9 license.

The Apple of Tim Cook era is profit driven at the expense of user experience. Theory is Apple is getting a sweet deal on HEVC licensing from MPEG LA with the stipulation that they don't support the competitor's open-source royalty-free VP9.
 
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Then the iPad Pro will fail in the long run. Excel is a standard in virtually every business, government, and tech environment. It’s heavily used.
To translate the business case you just made: “buy a Surface.”

I guess we are going back to the “Apple is for artists” mentality. Sad.

No, it won’t.

The iPad doesn’t need to replace all computers, it isn’t competing with the entire market. There are enough professional applications for the device aside from spreadsheets.

The whole point of choosing the right tool for the job is making the choice, there is no one tool fits all solution.
 
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Holly molly!
Could you please give me one logical reason as to why on earth someone would want to connect a mouse to a tablet like iPad? Assuming (and I think this is very unlikely) you were being serious.
Apple is implying that these new iPads are laptop replacements. They even bragged about ACad and Photoshop using “desktop” engines in their iOS incarnations. Try using either app for real work without a mouse or precision pointer — it's like eating peas with one chopstick. Yes they have the pencil2, it’s a teeny finger with all the same limitations.
 
Apple is implying that these new iPads are laptop replacements. They even bragged about ACad and Photoshop using “desktop” engines in their iOS incarnations. Try using either app for real work without a mouse or precision pointer — it's like eating peas with one chopstick. Yes they have the pencil2, it’s a teeny finger with all the same limitations.

Yeah, I use the iPad Pro (Lightroom, Luma Fusion and all sorts of apps) The idea of using a mouse on an iPad is just laughable. For a precision work, Apple pencil is probably even better than the mouse, at least for me. You can do with it everything you do with the mouse, plus a lot more that you can't do with the mouse. Tablets aren't meant to be used with a mouse.
 
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No, it won’t.

The iPad doesn’t need to replace all computers, it isn’t competing with the entire market. There are enough professional applications for the device aside from spreadsheets.

The whole point of choosing the right tool for the job is making the choice, there is no one tool fits all solution.

Only time will tell, but I’d say that in 2018 serious spreadsheets and word processing capabilities are kinda basic and expected functions for a device of that kind.
 
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yes I wish they would add native mouse support as android does... its just a pointer and a scroll nothing more. I have a citrix mouse that connects bluetooth to the ipad, in the ipad it doesnt know what it is but once you use citrix you have full mouse in your sessions.

just wish the main OS would let you do it..I think mouse support and a REAL file system are holding this back as a PC replacement. now I still use my ipad for home and work. it would just be easier with the mouse and file system.
Even more so if songs can be loaded up to Music app without iTunes.
 
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This must be a joke. You are actually saying that on a $1000+ PRO device strong Excel functionality is not a requirement?
And you really suggest that on my PRO device I use numbers or Google Docs for *basic* business tasks?
This is insane.

Absolutely. You probably don't know much about business, as it is clear from your words. I can assure that for basic business tasks even the free Numbers spreadsheet from Apple is an overkill. Even 1992 Lotus 1-2-3 would be enough for basic business tasks, and both Apple's Numbers and even Google docs are much more powerful than that. I own and operate a small company and for basic business tasks you don't need Excel and you don't need mouse either. Basic business tasks can be done on iPad, no problems whatsoever.

If you wonder that the 1000 dollar device doesn't have "strong" Excel functionality (Btw wtf is the strong functionality) then get following
1. Excel is on iPad and actually is available for free. You can also use it as a part of Outlook 365 or Office.
2. Excel on iPad supports all basic business functions.
3. It is not difficult and iPad is far, far better than the any Surface in terms of battery life, non-virus computing experience, ease of use and overall quality of work.

So not only does iPad actually have basic spreadsheet capability, but its computing power thousands times exceeds those Windows 95 machines with spreadsheets which were used then. So, iPad can easily perform the basic spreadsheet functions and you need neither Excel nor mouse.
 
Absolutely. You probably don't know much about business, as it is clear from your words. I can assure that for basic business tasks even the free Numbers spreadsheet from Apple is an overkill. Even 1992 Lotus 1-2-3 would be enough for basic business tasks, and both Apple's Numbers and even Google docs are much more powerful than that. I own and operate a small company and for basic business tasks you don't need Excel and you don't need mouse either. Basic business tasks can be done on iPad, no problems whatsoever.

If you wonder that the 1000 dollar device doesn't have "strong" Excel functionality (Btw wtf is the strong functionality) then get following
1. Excel is on iPad and actually is available for free. You can also use it as a part of Outlook 365 or Office.
2. Excel on iPad supports all basic business functions.
3. It is not difficult and iPad is far, far better than the any Surface in terms of battery life, non-virus computing experience, ease of use and overall quality of work.

So not only does iPad actually have basic spreadsheet capability, but its computing power thousands times exceeds those Windows 95 machines with spreadsheets which were used then. So, iPad can easily perform the basic spreadsheet functions and you need neither Excel nor mouse.

Are you really going into the “if we went to the Moon with a computer less powerful than my calculator then (whatever)” argument?
Sadly I use Excel on my 12” iPad Pro every day. Saying that is functional for business purposes is naive at best unless your business is a one man operation which is also static. It’s a total nightmare to use (partially due to input; a mouse would really help). You’re paying the same price for castrated functionality; business is yours so you can make whatever decision you want but how this does not frustrate you as a business owner puzzles me. It’s also very possible that you also need another computer to support what you can’t do on your iPad.

And no, I don’t make business decisions based on what Lotus 1-2-3 could do back then. I make business decisions on what is available in 2018.
 
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Are you really going into the “if we went to the Moon with a computer less powerful than my calculator then (whatever)” argument?
Sadly I use Excel on my 12” iPad Pro every day. Saying that is functional for business purposes is naive at best unless your business is a one man operation which is also static. It’s a total nightmare to use (partially due to input; a mouse would really help). You’re paying the same price for castrated functionality; business is yours so you can make whatever decision you want but how this does not frustrate you as a business owner puzzles me. It’s also very possible that you also need another computer to support what you can’t do on your iPad.

And no, I don’t make business decisions based on what Lotus 1-2-3 could do back then. I make business decisions on what is available in 2018.

If you have to input numbers all the time, why don't use some sort of bluetooth keyboard. Would make it so much simpler and mouse is not used either. I don't understand the need to torture oneself with a wrong setup and then blaming the hardware and the whole world for setup. And FYI basic business tasks in all spreadsheets are more less same.
 
If you have to input numbers all the time, why don't use some sort of bluetooth keyboard. Would make it so much simpler and mouse is not used either. I don't understand the need to torture oneself with a wrong setup and then blaming the hardware and the whole world for setup. And FYI basic business tasks in all spreadsheets are more less same.

You can’t really setup much with an iPad Pro. I have the sk and ap, they are still not sufficient despite heavy use of shortcuts and such.
At least I have my three monitors with my computer. (If i understood correctly extended desktop on an iPP is still not available even on the 2018 models). I am truly glad the iPP is sufficient for you, but now I am starting to feel the pain. as I said, time will tell.
 
Apple is implying that these new iPads are laptop replacements. They even bragged about ACad and Photoshop using “desktop” engines in their iOS incarnations. Try using either app for real work without a mouse or precision pointer — it's like eating peas with one chopstick. Yes they have the pencil2, it’s a teeny finger with all the same limitations.

“Yeah, I use the iPad Pro (Lightroom, Luma Fusion and all sorts of apps) The idea of using a mouse on an iPad is just laughable. For a precision work, Apple pencil is probably even better than the mouse, at least for me. You can do with it everything you do with the mouse, plus a lot more that you can't do with the mouse. Tablets aren't meant to be used with a mouse.”

Mice have scroll wheels. On my iPad Pro a couple of days ago I used a vnc to remote into a Linux machine to adjust some network settings. I was in a situation that required a scroll wheel or cursor keys to navigate, and the iPad was zero help. Had to go to a laptop to finish this simple task. What should have been complete in two minutes took half an hour because my iPad “Pro” wasn’t able to do a simple, basic task.
 
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Mice have scroll wheels. On my iPad Pro a couple of days ago I used a vnc to remote into a Linux machine to adjust some network settings. I was in a situation that required a scroll wheel or cursor keys to navigate, and the iPad was zero help. Had to go to a laptop to finish this simple task. What should have been complete in two minutes took half an hour because my iPad “Pro” wasn’t able to do a simple, basic task.

If your VNC client doesn't have cursor keys on its virtual keyboard, you need a better VNC client.
 
1. Excel is on iPad and actually is available for free. You can also use it as a part of Outlook 365 or Office.
2. Excel on iPad supports all basic business functions.
3. It is not difficult and iPad is far, far better than the any Surface in terms of battery life, non-virus computing experience, ease of use and overall quality of work.

Last time I checked, Office was not free for the bigger 12 inch iPad. Yes, it's part of the 365 subscription, but it's only really free for the smaller devices. Subscription is fine, until everyone wants a piece of the pie. The large number of low monthly fees add up very quickly.

I really like the appliance nature of the iPad, I just turn it on and it's always available, whereas the Surface requires constant Windows updates, reboots and attention. The iPad is also a lot more secure due to its sandbox nature, and has an amazing pencil. But I still think iOS is limiting, and as iPads are getting more and more expensive, it's harder to overlook the software limitations. For $350, it's a neat little device, but for $1000, it doesn't match a laptop to me.

Thanks to everyone who replied to me earlier. I find it intriguing that some can be productive without a mouse, and others feel completely lost. I really wish I could connect a mouse. Fiddling with finger gestures is not good for my productivity. As a software engineer, I realize I'm not the most typical target audience.
 
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If you have to input numbers all the time, why don't use some sort of bluetooth keyboard. Would make it so much simpler and mouse is not used either. I don't understand the need to torture oneself with a wrong setup and then blaming the hardware and the whole world for setup. And FYI basic business tasks in all spreadsheets are more less same.
I’m definitely on team #iPad as a laptop replacement, but not if you need to use Excel beyond the minimum uses you seem to only be familiar with. Even a MBP with the full version of Excel is inadequate in some cases. It doesn’t mean the iPad and the MBP are not real computers, it just means you use the right tool for the right job.
 
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